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2004/01/18, 02:49 PM
I was chatting with a nutritionist freind of mine, and she gave me some advice on pre/post workout meal planning that I hadn't heard before. She recommended working out on an empty stomach. She said this released a hormone known as glucogoten(not sure of spelling). I was informed that this glucogoten is a fat burning hormone. She also recommended waiting an hour after working out to eat because the body can produce this glucogoten for up to an hour, and if you eat you body will stop producing it. She also advised against any (or as few as possible) simple carbs which will spike insulin levels(which triggers the body to store fat).
I've been reading posts on FT for quite some time, and this is opposite of anything I've heard (minus the insulin stuff). This is also the first post I've ever made, and reactions to this way of thinking would be most apprectiated
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2004/01/18, 02:52 PM
I looked it up and the hormone I was talking about is spelled "glucagon." I appologize if my first post wasn't making sense to anyone.
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2004/01/18, 03:29 PM
Manhands...thats great(IF YOU WANT TO LOSE FAT). For gaining muscle, I have to strongly disagree with your friend. BB1!!! Get in here NOW!!!
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2004/01/18, 04:11 PM
Glucagon(sound familiar?) is the exact opposite of insulin. Yes thi is good, but in the right instance. Insulin is a storage hormone, while the former is an un storage hormone. Glucagon steals fatty acids away from your fat stores and instead readies them to be burned as energy. This hormone also stimulates the process which releases fat that has already been stored. In other words, Glucagon promotes fat burning! Both are produced in the pancreas in case you were wondering. So, this is what your nutritionist is telling you, and in that sense she is more than correct. But the caveat is, if you have no glycogen stores(fuel), your body will use whatever substrate it can find, and in most cases it will be a combination of muscle and fat. It will get amino acids from the liver first, and then from muscle stores. The body is very adept at using BCAA's for fuel, and will do so very rapidly. Your body does not care about looking good in the summer time, it cares about survival. Would much rather keep its fatty acid stores and give up muscle tissue.
Then your post workout scenario goes like this. Cortisol is released in response to stress such as a hard workout.
Cortisol literally converts muscle tissue to proteins for conversion into glucose. This is your body’s way of producing energy when all readily available energy (glucose) and stored forms (glycogen) of energy have been expended. To make up for this depletion of energy your body will go into a process called gluconeogenesis to produce glucose from amino acids in the liver. The end result of this process? Hard earned muscle used as energy, and all potential gains becoming null and void.
Does this sound like what you want? Many nutritionists with lots of degrees really don't have an understanding of what a bodybuilder's needs are. Nor do they want to. Many will still argue that you only need the RDA of protein. Hopefully you will look past this and understand the truth. Ask anyone who is wearing a tank top and muscular, what they are eating and what they do pre and post workout. This will give you your answer.
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2004/01/18, 05:59 PM
I must add I am assuming by your post when you say "workout" you are talking resistance training(weights).
If you are talking cardio alone, then the second part of her option is valid. But before cardio, if you are very lean, you need to have some "protection". Such as today, I did cardio, supplemented beforehand with glutamine and BCAA's, and upon completion of my cardio, then wait about an hour to eat. My primary goal at this point(competition), is fat burning with preservation of mass. This is where the protection comes in beforehand, and the aid to fat burning by your body "seeing" the flood of BCAA's so helping it to switch to fat burning rather than muscle wasting. Then let glucagon do its job for an hour or so.
So, you need to know what it is you want to do. With every resistance training session, no matter what, you need to apply my above post principles and supplement to stop cortisol post training, and have some fuel before training. If not, you will see absolutely no lean tissue gains.
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2004/01/18, 09:22 PM
Ya! What he said!
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2004/01/18, 11:00 PM
Fascinating!
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2004/01/19, 01:56 PM
Damn! How do you know all that bb1fit to such a precise degree!?
Impressive. =)
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2004/01/19, 09:15 PM
He is BB1! He doesn't need to explain to the likes of you...you are nothing to him. (joking)
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2004/06/16, 02:53 PM
ok. in regards to what to eat when:
just quickly -
i'm trying to lose fat (my "protective layer")
get lean
keep my muscles.
therefore i should ... (insert super swell and informative bb1 response here)
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