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newbreed Posts: 58 Joined: 2003/05/15	2004/03/01, 11:54 AM Got this advice from Jdelts, couple of months ago, started mixing my whey with powdered gatorade, this is the best thing I have done in a long time, broke through my plateaus in no time, also soreness not as bad the next day, so all newbies should read up on this cause this is extremely benefical for gym rats, what I call myself, the gains are awesome so big thanks to Jdelts for hooking me up on this procedure! Later guys! newbreed "Work Hard, Play Hard, TRAIN HARDER"
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/01, 12:43 PM 75 gr. of sugar is an awful lot for some folks, as per lean bodyweight. Be careful with celltech. There is a reason they put chromium and ALA in it, it can send your insuling sensitivity if done too often out the window. Make certain you earn it, and make certain you don't load with it, use it only post training. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/03/01, 02:21 PM Good advice BB1...I assume too often that they are familiar with how to spike correctly. Guys, cut down your sugar intake during the day so you can becaome more insuline sensitive during your post-workout spike. SSMINNOW, if you are taking Cell-tech, one serving has 10 grams of creatine which is pretty much all you need. If you spike without using cell-tech, you can use 5g.'s of creatine with your spike, if you'd like to continue using five grams in the morning. The reason I would suggest to take the full amount with your post-workout is because your muscles are at their most absorbant at this time and will suck up alot of nutrients. -------------- May the lift be with you.
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/01, 02:30 PM thanks jdelts, I was using cell tech, but opted for the homemade malto / dextrose mix. Thanks, you guys really clarified this subject for me. I am going to take 10g post workout. My only concern is that if I take the creatine at night, I will not be able to drink that much water because I will be sleeping. I assume as long as i drink enough during the day, I should be fine.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/01, 08:41 PM The problem with Celltech is two fold, one it is vastly overpriced, and two, you will have a hard time adjusting your doseage, so therefore more chance of fat storage(uneeded sugar consumption), even post workout. You need to guage your energy expenditure, surely you do not use as much on an arm day as you would on legs for instance, or even back or chest if you do them correctly. Thus, the point here is this, why would you need as much sugar (spike) on a day when you do arms and the same amount if you do legs? Not that you didn't work out as hard, but arm muscles take up nowhere near the glycogen depletion you would doing legs. In order to get your amount of creatine, you will have to use the full doseage. This is the beauty of the malto/dextrose scenario, adjustment, leading to less fat storage. As far as amounts of creatine, 10 gr. post workout is probably a waste. You would be better off doing 5 gr. pre training and 5 gr. post training. No matter how much creatine you put in your system, it is only going to saturate to a point, and the rest is going to be turned to creatinine and discarded from the body. Besides that, depending on your bodyweight, 10 gr. of creatine at one time may make you a bit nauseated.:dumbbell: -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/03/02, 12:41 AM You should be fine drinking enough water during the day. BB1 is right once again...I did not take into consideration you body weight...10 grams post workout works for me. 5 before and 5 after is cool too if you are not taking cell-tech and you are able to get the malto and dextrose by itself. I've had the experince of knowing what my saturation point is with creatine after years of use. Its tough to know what you body is going to take. -------------- May the lift be with you.
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/02, 10:49 AM I am taking cell-tech now and today is supposed to be my last day of loading but do to your post i am going to skip loading the last day and just take 10g post workout today.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/02, 01:01 PM You should never load with celltech. 5 heavy insulin spikes per day is way too much. (and large ones at that, 75 gr. of sugar each time). You will shoot your insulin sensitivity down. Use the celltech just post workout. One of the keys to making your post workout shake more potent and with maximal uptake is being more insulin sensitive rather than resistant. :dumbbell: -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/02, 01:03 PM If we did load with cell tech for lack of better knowing, is there a way to help increase insulin sensitivity? After reading these posts, i only use the malto / dextrin mix post workout. I try to avoid sugar and simple carbs all day. Is there anything else that can be done?
	2004/03/02, 01:08 PM If you use the cell tech once a day your insulin sensitivity will come back up in a few days if not sooner provided you eat properly. -------------- Some times life is like herding cats. Charlie
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/02, 01:23 PM Fibrous veggies and EFA's should help with your insulin sensitivity. Keep your diet as low GI as possible. As far as supplements, chromium should help, as well as r-ALA. If you only choose one, Chromium can be essential for increasing insulin sensitivity, and it is very cheap. A minimum of 200 mcg. per day, for us atheletes, 400 is probably much better. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/02, 07:45 PM Is there any real way to tell your insulin sensativity without tests and such
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/03, 10:51 AM Also when is the best time to take my cell tech on my days off? I usually take it in the morning
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/03, 11:09 AM hey justinE22, from reading other posts, bb1fit says that you shouldnt take cell tech on your days off. you only want your insulin spike post workout. on your days off, just take some regular creatine (i prefer micronized) with some water.
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/03, 11:31 AM really? I don't have any other creatine right now.
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/03, 11:34 AM Well actually I just found a bottle of creatine in the capsule form, will that work if i take them on my days off. SHould i take them with juice, gatorade or water?
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/03, 11:48 AM capsule form should be good. you just may need to take a bunch of them to get your 5g-10g (based on your weight and your needs). I use ast micronized creatine. I got it here and delivery was really fast: http://www.global-nutrition-inc.com/as-046.html Micronized is suppossed to be much easier on your stomach then regular creatine. I also use this in my malto / dextrin mix for insulin spikes and it is way cheaper then cell tech. You should take it in water on your off days. The juice or gatorade would be other methods to cause an insulin spike. So take it with water on your days off. Like bb1fit said, you dont want an insulin spike except post workout so you don't kill your insulin sensitivity. On off days, I take 5g of creatine in the am. This way I have the whole day to take in a bunch of water. On workout days, i take 5g in the am with water and 5g post workout with the homemade malto / dextrose mix to get the insulin spike.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/03, 07:13 PM No,there are no tests that I know of or anyone for that matter that can tell you that without a doctors analysis. One indication is observe your how you respond to sugars and watch your body composition. In other words if you start putting on an inordinate amount of fat in a short period of time, you may well have bedcome insulin resistant. ============ Quoting from JustinE22: Is there any real way to tell your insulin sensativity without tests and such ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/03, 11:22 PM How much is too much surgar? Does non fat milk have a high amount of surgar as well? Is 13g of surgar too much to have at once? WHat kinds of foods have high amounts of surgar?
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/04, 08:33 AM When is the best time to take chromium and r-ala? Should I take it at the same time as my creatine / insulin spike like I would with cell tech or any time during the day is ok?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/04, 10:49 AM Chromium Picolinate is invaluable for insulin sensitivity. Chromium enhances insulin sensitivity. It is so effective, some studies reported that up to 90 percent of diabetics could get off medication with chromium supplements, if they took 1000 mcg of chromium daily. I take the 400 mcg., one with my post workout shake. I eat two more fairly high carb meals, and take another dose with at least one of them, if not both. First thing in the morning is probably not necessary, as you are most probably already pretty insulin sensitive from the overnight fast. The 200 mcg. will work fine twice if you prefer. Wal Mart has it cheap, as does everyone. Very important mineral, for a very cheap price, and great insurance policy. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/04, 11:40 AM Is it chromium picolinate or chromium polyncotinate? Cell tech has chromium polyncotinate in it.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/04, 01:23 PM Chromium Picolinate will do nicely. It is marketed under different names, a few being Chromium picolinate; chromium 2-pyridine- carboxylate; chromium tripicolinate; chromium, tris (picolinato)-; picolinic acid, chromium salt; 2-pyridinecarboxylic acid, chromium salt; tris(picolinato)chromium. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Shap Posts: 42 Joined: 2003/05/06	2005/10/17, 03:23 PM Dextrose is used in Splenda, but they say spenda doesnt effect blood sugar, can splenda be used? If not, why?
mrdeadly99 Posts: 124 Joined: 2005/09/21	2005/10/27, 12:29 AM Im going to start the insulin spike tomorrow, the problem is that I live like 10-15 minutes away from the gym. Is that too long a time to wait to get my insulin spike?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2005/10/27, 01:52 AM Bring it to the gym with you. Very simple solution. ============ Quoting from mrdeadly99: Im going to start the insulin spike tomorrow, the problem is that I live like 10-15 minutes away from the gym. Is that too long a time to wait to get my insulin spike? ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com

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