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abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/09, 04:38 PM I posted this under the intermediate and advanced body building message board, but I thought I might get more answers if I posted here as well......... Hey guys. I just joined. I've been looking for a place to post some questions and have them answered by people who know what they are talking about. I hope you guys can help me out. Here we go: I've taken Andro before and it worked pretty well with out any side effects, but recently I did a pro-hormone stack for 12 weeks, and I think I might have some side effects. Maybe I'm imagining it, but I think my nuts have shrunk. The thing is sometimes they are almost invisible (worse than in the ocean on a cold day) and other times they seem fine. I'm seriously not sure if I'm just imagining it, though. My testosterone levels seem to be normal (no gyno and regular sex drive... that means my testosterone level is fine, doesn't it? I'm not sure). Can a person experience shrinkage like that and still have a normal testosterone level? Am I just imagining it? Please let me know. And if there is some supplement to help me fix the problem, could you let me know that too. by-the-way, I've decided against using pro-hormones again. Thanks in advance.
TheLabRat Posts: 19 Joined: 2004/02/07	2004/02/09, 04:43 PM Did you take something like 4-Diol 250 or BioTest's Redcats with your stack. That is suppose to supress side effects like shrinking testicles.
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/09, 04:55 PM No, I did the Impact Nutrition (Maxteron, DermaGAIN, Equi-Bolan). I did take their Intermision product afterwards and I've since taken 6-OXO, because I thought that would do something.
rpacheco Posts: 3,770 Joined: 2001/12/13	2004/02/09, 04:58 PM Just out of curiosity...what kind of results did you get? This is one of the most (if not the most) expensive pro-hormone stack out there. You're the first to post taking it. Were your results anywhere near the advertisements? -------------- **_Robert_** Pain is temporary; glory is forever!
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/09, 05:41 PM Yeah. It was expensive. Truthfully, it knocked my immune system down so much that I was sick for the first month of it, so that slowed my progress, but after that I got pretty big. Friends were making fun of me because my shirts were now to small. But, I wouldn't do it again, obviously. Unless their was a way to stop any side effects. (I'm still not sure if they are just in my head or not)
	2004/02/10, 10:33 AM What kind of gains could be worth these side effects? I am not judging. I am just curious how this could be worth it. -------------- Some times life is like herding cats. Charlie
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/02/10, 10:39 AM As I posted to your other post, think health first! What good is it to be buff looking, but have nuts the size of peanuts and a pecker you can't use, plus have the immunes system down. Health should be your first priority in this. This is why one should stress proper diet and exercise. There is nothing more anabolic than a well designed diet. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
big_j_scf Posts: 308 Joined: 2003/11/08	2004/02/10, 08:42 PM bbfit, i have no idea why i think this, but could zma possibly help him? can't it help jump start you t production?
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/10, 08:56 PM Hey guys, you are preaching to the choir now. I don't think I'll ever take another pro-hormone again. Most of the gains disappear after you're off and the side effects are definitely not worth it. I've made gains without any of that stuff before, but I guess I was just looking for a quick fix. I wont make that mistake again. Thanks for the responses.
drew138 Posts: 47 Joined: 2003/09/28	2004/02/12, 08:51 AM Well first, did you pct (post cycle therapy) properly? You know when you put synthetic test in you, yeah, nut shrinkage is a side, that's cause it's working! Did you research??? Let's see, sounds like you did a 1T, which would explain the sick feeling, which would pass. Did you bump up your protein? What about pct? 6OXO? what was your dose. I just did a 600mg 1AD 900mg4AD for 5weeks. Made great gains, but if you do not pct then you'll lose most of what you made, due to estrogen increase, Which is why you need proper pct... ZMA is great as an aid for pct, but it's a natural increase, 1AD, 1test, M1T, 4AD, M5aa, etc...are all synthetic test.. Personally, I love PH's. You have got to research tho...know what, how much, and long to cycle and Post cycle...but whatever. It's your body, do or don't..but don't blame the PH's when you just take and have no clue what you are taking and the lose all your gains, and cry and blame the PH's. Just my opinion.
	2004/02/12, 10:55 AM Thanks abuffguy. Like I said I wasn't judging. Just wondering. I have high blood pressure which precludes my taking anything but vitamins, creatine and protein but I am always curious. Have all the side effects disapeared with the gains?? Kind of scarey to me. Glad you are ok. -------------- Some times life is like herding cats. Charlie
MikeCan Posts: 91 Joined: 2003/12/04	2004/02/12, 12:55 PM 600mg 1AD 900mg4AD, 1AD, 1test, M1T, 4AD, M5aa, 6OXO, 4-Diol 250,ZMA, What the hell is all this! Looks like an extremely hard math equation that a Math Major Graduate from MIT couldn't figure out. AND IT MAKES YOUR NUTS SHRINK!!!! NO THANKS!!!! -------------- Mike
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/12, 01:14 PM Drew, I'm not crying, I'm just looking for a little advice. You know, I did do some pct. I took 6-OXO (300 mg/day for 3 weeks), ZMA (500 mg/day for 2 months now), and Tribulus (2000 mg/day for the first month, 4000 mg/day for this last month). Does that sound like a good pct? What else would you suggest. I'm not putting PH's down, I'm just saying, I wouldn't want to put myself in that situation again. You seem to know a lot about what to take, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/12, 01:29 PM Charlie, Thanks for the concern. I'm pretty sure most of the side effects are gone, but I want to be 100% positive that I'm back to normal. Like I said, most of the time my nuts are fine, but at least once a day they act as if I've jumped in some ice water. I'm probably over-reacting, but I want to make sure my natural testosterone production is back to normal, it seems like it is, though. Anyway, I'm going to steer clear of any Pro-Hormones in the future. Thanks again for your posts.
ioioio Posts: 302 Joined: 2004/01/29	2004/02/13, 08:09 AM Hey abuffguy, i am just wondering why you posted the same exact thing in two differnet places when bb1fit already answered your question???? Think man, good luck
abuffguy Posts: 21 Joined: 2004/02/09	2004/02/13, 07:38 PM ioioio, All bb1fit told me to do was stop taking Pro-Hormones. Yeah, thanks... I already did that. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. I'm just looking for something I can do to help correct the problem. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate everyone's advice thus far, but I could really use some specific concrete answers. Thanks for helping me out, guys.
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/02/13, 07:42 PM watch out abuffguy ioioio will haunt you lol -------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it is gone past me I will turn to see fear's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain
dakota68 Posts: 22 Joined: 2003/11/10	2004/02/17, 07:50 PM SHIT LIKE this is why they ephedrine is illegal(even though its safe when taken properly for most)everybody wants a shortcut so they take it then dont eat or drink and run sprints in 90 degree weather.
GETTINHEAVIER Posts: 1 Joined: 2004/02/17	2004/02/17, 08:26 PM BB1FIT, I'M CURRENTLY EATING SIX TIMES A DAY AND LIFTING FOUR ON AND THREE OFF. ASSUMING I AM DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY WHAT ARE THE EXPECTED MASS GAINS PER WEEK OR PER MONTH. CHICKEN VEGETABLES POTATOES RICE PASTA