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JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/27, 05:31 PM I was wondering If I was too young to take ergopharm 1-AD. I'm 20 years old, would it just be a waste of money and be better off sticking to cell tech?
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/27, 06:09 PM This stuff sounds like it really works all though it is pricey if it really will deliver 10lbs. on 4 weeks that would be amazing but it sounds a little too good to be true. I think i'll do some more research and maybe give it a shot this summer.
jsom85 Posts: 316 Joined: 2004/01/16	2004/02/27, 07:31 PM I would say so, after all at 20 i think your testosterone is still way high and it'll probably do more damamge than good. So i would say stick with the celltech, but thats just my opinions. Others may know better.
skierajs Posts: 15 Joined: 2002/07/30	2004/02/27, 09:50 PM I'd say 20 is a bit young. It probably won't hurt you to take it but you won't benefit like you would if you waited a couple years. It isn't too expensive if you buy it online. You could probably do a cycle, including stacking with 4-AD and Post-cycle therapy (PCT) for $150. For 1 cycle, buy 2 bottles at under $40 each online like at bodybuilding.com. The IDS brand is fine because it is the same stuff actually licensed to sell from ergopharm. In my opinion (also endorsed by ergopharm), you should stack with 4-Androstenediol (4-AD) to help eliminate the side effects of lethargy and libido loss caused by the 1-AD. One possible cycle that isn't too intense or expensive that I am doing right now with great results (third week so far) is 4 weeks long: 300mg (3 doses 100mg ea) 1-AD per day and 600mg (2 doses 300mg ea) 4-AD oral per day. Then PCT with 6oxo 300mg per day for 2-3 weeks. I might up the dose of 6oxo and take it another week depending on how it goes. READ THIS: Make sure you do a lot of research on prohormones before starting your cycle. You need to PCT (post-cycle therapy) correctly using 6oxo (2 bottles - another $60) or you will lose gains due to spiked estrogen after you stop the PHs) at minumum read this thread on bodybuilding.com forums: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=eb60d31232750e9923064c673bffe29d&threadid=190160
Shane123 Posts: 148 Joined: 2003/11/27	2004/02/28, 12:19 AM Yes, your testosterone levels are already high, and your endocrine system is not fully developed. Cell Tech's too expensive for some creatine and dextrose. I'd opt for Swole instead. Gains of 10 pounds on cycle are not uncommon. I'd trust Ergopharm over IDS.
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/28, 10:40 AM I found my cell tech for about 45$ which isn't bad considering what you would pay at GNC or other places online. Are you saying gains of 10lbs. on cell tech is not uncommon or 1-AD. But you still think at 20 i'd put on a good 10lbs. on 1-AD, would it do any damage to my body or would i just not reap the whole benefit of the drug?
skierajs Posts: 15 Joined: 2002/07/30	2004/02/28, 12:31 PM Most likely it will not hurt you, although many factors are at play there. You may not get maximum gains because at 20 you are already in a very anabolic state. 10lbs gains in 4 weeks are from 1-AD and not uncommon as Shane123 said. Manufacturers warnings on 1-AD and all prohormones that I've seen say not to take it if you are under 18 years of age. This is copied from the Prohormone FAQ on bodybuilding.com forums: 12. Who should use prohormones? Mature adults above the age of 21 looking for increases in lean muscle mass or decreases in bodyfat levels. Most veterans will advise using prohormones after several years of training, to ensure you have a good feel for proper diet, nutrition and supplementation. Using prohormones under the age of 18 is a very bad idea; it can result in the closure of growth plates, thus resulting in permanently stunted growth; it can also result in potentially serious endocrine system problems. Those with potential for or already enlarged prostate or those susceptible to male pattern baldness should not use prohormones; nor should prohormones be used by people with heart conditions, who currently have gynocomastia, or have liver or kidney problems. If you have any doubts, see a doctor before using these compounds.
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/28, 02:38 PM Is Gynocomastia a lump in the breast? Because i do have a gyno and it bugs the shit out of me i plan on getting it removed in the summer. I don't know how i got it but i did. Another question about gyno is that hurting my lifting and muscle growth in any way. Would it be better for me to get it removed now rather than wait?
jsom85 Posts: 316 Joined: 2004/01/16	2004/02/28, 03:32 PM gyno? arn't you male? am i missing something? -------------- Get your weight up, kid
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/28, 04:41 PM yeah i'm a male. But i have a lump in my right chest.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2004/02/28, 04:46 PM Gyno is not a lump it is a condition that males develop and is also called madn boobs and bitch tits! Taking drugs like you are talking about will greatly increase the risk of having this condition.:angry: -------------- LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/28, 06:38 PM I don't know what i have then i always thought it was a gyno but maybe i've got the named mixed up. I know a buddy i've mine hd the same thing as i do and he got it removed in the summer of 9th grade. He doesn't lift weight either nor has he really ever. So it wasn't from prohormones like that.
big_j_scf Posts: 308 Joined: 2003/11/08	2004/02/28, 08:10 PM it could be a cyst..spelling???
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/02/28, 09:03 PM I've seen the doctor about it before and my father is also a PA and i just talked to him and he said it is a gynocomastia. Which is just basically fatty tissue i believe is what he said. Can this have any effect on my strength or muscle size?
Shane123 Posts: 148 Joined: 2003/11/27	2004/02/29, 12:12 AM Gyno should not impact your strength or muscle size.
skierajs Posts: 15 Joined: 2002/07/30	2004/02/29, 10:09 PM I would definately stay away from pro-hormones if you have gyno. They could possibly make it worse. If you are set on trying them though, 1-AD alone/unstacked might be the best choice because it isn't androgenic (doesn't increase testosterone, and thus estrogen levels).