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2004/06/03, 12:41 AM
Hi All, new to the site,
love it so far.
My Buddy and I have decided to do a cycle (or a few) of Methyl-1-test. We have done research on it..but we end up getting the same information from a company called LEGAL GEAR.
I dont know if we should trust them, i cant seem to find info on it fron anybody else. Also, we are both 20 yesr old, are experienced weight lifters, when and how many times and for how long should we take METHYl-1-test?
THANk you very much!!!
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2004/06/03, 05:12 AM
My research indicates, to take 1 tablet per day for a maximum of 4 weeks, no more than 2 tabs in 24hr period and should only be taken by people over 21. They also recommend an estrogen blocker whilst using this product. Differewnt websites had different info eg 1 site said 7 times more anabolic then Testosterone and another said 16 times, some say only take it for 2 weeks, some say take it for 4 weeks.
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2004/06/03, 11:58 AM
This is exactly the problem. The info you are giving me, is all i can actually find. there is nothing else. Every website copy and pastes it fron another. i am looking for cold hard facts, somebody must know something.
Thanks for your help though gdskain.:)
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2004/06/03, 12:02 PM
First off no gear is sold leagally. Second at 20 you are rather young to be taking it. It can mess up the natural test your body makes. Third buying and selling gear over the internet is being closely watched by the fbi dea and other goverment agenices, they just arressted a few bodybuilders this past month...most not pro level. So I am glad you are trying to research it, but take a look at all sides of it not just the drug itself.....good luck
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7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2004/06/03, 07:48 PM
I'D say instead of playing russian rullette with your body's hormones...........don't take it sinple as that........you might gain some good weight year...NOW.....but what bout later, when your prostate sweels up.......or your extra testasterone turns to estrogen or you wind up with acne, shrikage( and I don't mean body fat)........or worse you might get prostate cancer, from the inlarged prostate, and if thats remvoed you have a 50% change of nevver getting and errection again. So lets see the score....
thats 5 bullet in a chamber.......the only good thing is the muscle..........so spin the chamber man.......see whatcha get?
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......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/06, 10:58 AM
Apperently MEthyl 1 test does not have the side effects that you are telling me it does. Thats the info i have gotten so far, Big Andrew have you actually taken the product. If so, what did it do? Are these symptoms that you got personally?
thanks again
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2004/06/07, 01:48 PM
Its all propaganda as far as the side-effects are concerned. These hormones absolutely will screw with your test levels naturally. In my book, only cheaters take that shit. You are a disgrace and an insult to hard-core lifters who bust their asses NATURALLY. Cheater.
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2004/06/07, 08:52 PM
ANy kind of prohormone, or steriod....which is what all pro hormons are, affect your testasterone......period..............read the side label.......it will have a "may cause......"...
I would never take anything of the sort.....steriods, prohormons, GH anything... wanna know why?
Cause a real man/women will step it up, and work out like a man, and not result to "cheating" like jDelts says, if your nto seeing results , more than likly your diet sucks, you don't work out right......more than likly you just do chest , tris and bis......and wanna know why your not geting bigger? GEE?
I don't need to buy my muscles in a bottle, i liek to knwo I worked out and got what I earned.........the things you want in life you have to work for.....
When you want to get "that job" that pays 6 figures a year, you gonna buy a bottle of stuff, and take pils so you get it? No you have to work to get it!
I do not like people who use steriods, or anything of the sort, that your buying is illagal( if i'm not mistaken), I will not tell you how to use them, nor how to get bigger, after all your taking steriods, and knwo more about it than me? And I don't think anyone else on here well either.
By the way you don't believe everything you read do ya? If so , go near costa rica, theres a island that has dinosaurs on it.....
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.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/07, 09:07 PM
Hey telattar,
I just purchased M1 TEST myself and have yet to start my cycle, but I have tried T-Bomb prior which did help a little. I was instructed to never take M1 TEST longer than 2 weeks at a time along with taking 6-OXO after the cycle. I will give an update ASAP, as tomorrow will be my first day taking M1 TEST. Oh yeah I'm sure jdelts "never" took anything to get his current size. telattar, don't mind people that offer disparaging comments, never know what contributed to their antagonistic character. It could be financial and could never have the luxury of purchasing supplements or its possible they took TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE themselves? Thought this site was here to help, not belittle people?
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2004/06/08, 12:24 AM
thank You all for all of your feedback. I have worked out religiously since i was 16 and i am now 20. I started at 165lbs and now sit at 210lbs, of muscle. I am 5"11, and have done everything so far naturally. I just want to get bigger,, maybe its psychological but thats the way i feel. I want to get bigger. I have hit a plateau, and Methyl -1-test is something i was recommended. I was however also told to research it before i did anything. I didnt ask to get ripped apart for my intentions, and questions. tHIS is a community, and i thought we were all here to help each other out. In a positive fashion. Boost1 thank you for your consideration, and your alternative approach. Thank you all as well for the feedback, when i asked questions, i intended on getting answers. I am seeing all perspectives, and these persepectives will ultimately help me make my final decision.
Keep the INFO and the thoughts coming.> THANK YOU ALL
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2004/06/08, 03:03 AM
You are right. This is a community that is dedicated to giving positive advice. They might get carried away with their convictions sometimes and sound "belittling" or "ripping" you apart, but it is just because they do not want to see another person fall into the the cliche. They're looking out for your best interest. That stuff is illegal for a reason. If I wanted to start using black tar heroin, and I asked the people here where I can find cheap needles, I'm sure I would also get "ripped apart".
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2004/06/08, 09:01 AM
HAs anyone else actually taken Methyl-1-test?? Boost 1 keep me updated. As i understood the stuff is not illegal in the states. U guys have all really confused me. I thought it wasnt actually considered a steroid. somebody Clarify this for me!!! I am in canada, and i understood it was legal down there. CONFUSED!!!
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2004/06/08, 09:21 AM
As far as I could tell, Methyl-1 test is a legal prohormone for now. The manufacturer feeds you a bunch of crap about it not having the side effects of anabolic steroids, but what exactly is this product doing if it isn't screwing with your hormone levels just like roids? I'm with jdelts and andrew on this subject because the overall goal of this community is still leading a healthy lifestyle, which methyl-1 test is not intended for. If someone wants to take shortcuts and endanger their health for no good reason other than to mask their insecurities over a small penis or because they got beat up as a kid, I wouldn't expect this community to support them.
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2004/06/08, 10:10 AM
"Oh yeah I'm sure jdelts "never" took anything to get his current size. telattar, don't mind people that offer disparaging comments, never know what contributed to their antagonistic character. It could be financial and could never have the luxury of purchasing supplements or its possible they took TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE themselves? " Just by making this statement proves that you make disparaging antagonistic statements as well....lets keep it civil ok?
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2004/06/08, 11:01 AM
The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of 1-test – it does not convert to estrogen, and it is highly anabolic and moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When compared to orally administered methyltestosterone, methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as androgenic.
The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability. Many users also find that methyl 1-test decreases appetite, which can be harmful or beneficial depending on one's goals. These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help, but feedback on this is limited.
Another concern with methyl 1-test (and methylated steroids in general) is hepatotoxicity. Although this tends to be exaggerated, it is still prudent to take certain precautions. First and foremost, other substances that are toxic to the liver (such as alcohol) should be avoided to avoid placing extra stress on the liver. If methyl 1-test is stacked, it would be best to stack it with something other than an oral steroid/prohormone, such as a transdermal. Milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and N-acetyl-cysteine are commonly recommended to help protect the liver. For further information on 17aa steroids and hepatotoxicity, see the following article:
There are some of the reported side effects. Let me see if I can find some more.
You are right that it is legal at the moment, but it is new, and it often takes the FDA sometime to catch up with new drugs. Take the steroid scandal going on in California with some of our pro athletes and olympians.
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2004/06/08, 04:27 PM
Thanks danieljlove, good information there.
When I went to GNC to get some T - BOMB to take some time off of using CELL-TECH, they said it was pulled and replaced with T - BOMB II, stating it was a lot weaker version. I also tried stopping by NutriSport and Vitiman World. All three stores stated they have to stop selling M1 & T -Bomb, what ever was left on the shelves is it. Don't know the reason or if its true everywhere, but do know that those three stores don't carry any of that in San Diego anymore like they normally did.
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2004/06/08, 05:25 PM
here try this, instead of looking up the actual drug look up the ingredients........IF you type in the product name, most of the articles that pop up are fromt he company that made it! And of coarse they will say its ok to take it................if you have hitting a plateau there are others ways of getting past it naturally, not by poping pills or sticking a needle in your butt, seeing you hit a wall shows me your not willing to work and keep at it, your just looking for a quick solution? What if it don't work? What if you hit another plateau on the drug? what then?
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......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/08, 10:47 PM
Have i ever Sturred up this Message bOARD. I respect everyones opinion, and im glad people are so passionate about this topic of conversation. DAniel best feed back to date man. WEll appreciated. Let me ask you all this: What can i do, to get bigger and get tight? I guess ya i have been looking for something that was going to bring me over this hump (i am frustrated and have not made any gains in months) But let me let you all in on a little something something. There are a million and one guys out there just like me. At least I am considering all perspectives, and taking the precautions that are needed when involved in a decision as drastic as this.
As for the comments about my manhood, and getting beat up as a kid. They dont apply to me, but you know what MZAKAL im sure there are some people you picked on when you were younger, who are on steroids and twice your size. And do i blame them??? No. You must have thought you were are real hotshot back in the day ..Sounds like you still do.. You have a big ego buddy. Ease up.
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2004/06/09, 12:10 AM
Telatter,
Being a nurse and seeing the side effects of many drugs, not specifically steroids, I would tend to stay away from anything that is not normally found in foods. I have never used or plan to use steroid, prohormones or prosteroids. The possible side effects are just to dangerous considering the purpose for taking them. On that same note, that is also the reason I would not entertain plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons, the possible side effects are just to great for vanity.
Now to your question. What can you do to beat your plateau. I would look at my training routine and diet. Training--change it up, add some different exercises, change the rep set mixture, go after a powerlifting routine for awhile and then switch back to a mass program, make sure you are getting enough rest, and lift heavy.
Diet--read some of the posts in the diet forum, make sure that you are eating in such away to promote natural hormone useage, getting enough protein and calories, make sure that you are eating clean and rounded.
Finally, find a natural bodybuilder at your gym and ask them about thier routine. Ask Jdelts or BB1 how they do it. BB1 is in his 50's and has a wonderful body (naturally) and hormone production is harder to promote at that age. So it can be done, it is just hard work. Remember never trade the future for today, not every body is going to be a Frank Zane, but we all can be healthy. Evaluate your goals and make sure that your goals aren't leading you to be detrimental to your body.
Well, that is my two cents, spend it quick before inflation robs its value.
I hope it helps.
Daniel Love
P.S.
I was reading a house bill just passed in America and it looks like the substance in question is about to become illegal anyway.
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2004/06/09, 12:53 AM
Null/telatter.............theres no excuse for you taking steriods or anything of the nature for ANY reason, unless precribed by a doc. I was picked on as a lil kid.......am I on steriods? NO! ........Heres the jest: take'm shit, your hard headed and won't listen to anytone, so take them! Theres no scenero you can tell us or sob story to make us say...."ow, poor thing, sure its ok to take them" No.......
Like mr love said......the guys in the mags are not natural, not everyone will be as big as a ronnie coleman or arnold.......sorry to bust your bubble.......Hell I would LOVE to be big and cut as they are........
Heres another thing, you have only been traing for 4 years, ask any body builder of any good, and they will say.....its takes 10 plus years usually, most good body builder are in their 30s......very few in the 20s.......time, wait on it.........
I'm sick of this..........take'm shit......pop as many as ya want......get "huge" but if you think thats a quick way out, then your worng, there no "wonder drug"
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.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/09, 01:27 AM
frustration station, huh, andrew. That was pretty funny. I agree, there is nothing you can say to someone that is going to take roids, or hormones, or anything of that nature. They want what they want, hear what they want to hear, and are just trying to get someone to justify using them and tell them that they will be ok. As far as childhoods and egos...that's irrelevant. Cheap shots that don't have much to do with the topic at hand. Like mutt said, let's keep it civil.
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2004/06/09, 11:26 AM
What is comprised of a Powerlifting Workout. Shoot me a reply here guys. Got to get over this Plateau remember. Should i look into a high calorie mass gainer?? that might put on unesseray fat on. Let me know.MOnohydrate Creatine, has not done anything for me my last 2 cycles. Dont know what else to use.
shoot me a reply guys.
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2004/06/09, 11:48 AM
Telatter,
I would refer you first to the powerlifting and strength forum right here at FT. Gatormade contributes a lot of information there and would be happy to answer your questions, and as he is a powerlifter, might be able to give some better answers. I would also refer you to www.deepsquatter.com. In the section labled archives there are some wonderful articles from different powerlifters detailing different schools of thought. Another good site is www.exrx.net, which will cover some of the concepts such as periodization.
Overall, a powerlifting schedule would be centered around bench, deadlift and squat. Gatormade has some great workouts for all three to break through plateaus. It is not the most body sculpting, but it will create a denser muscle. I know that when I was reading Arnold's encyclopedia, he stated one of the things that gave him and Columbo and edge is that they spent a lot of time in the beginning powerlifting which gave them a dense look that was lacking in the strict bodybuilders.
The workout that I am presently doing is in my journal on here. It is something I put together out of what I have read, but it is something. You are more than welcome to look at it.
Lift heavy and grow,
Daniel
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2004/06/09, 12:02 PM
YOu don't have to cycle creatine, take 3 to 4 grams 2 times a day........it helps in muscle cell volumization, take some before work outm andother after.....this helps in energy untilization of the muscles( atp).
To get stonger you will have to eat extra calories, to gain muscle, and yes a lil bit of fat unfortunally, thats why you don't always try to bulk up.......bulk up for 2 or 3 months, then cut calories back and drop 10lbs of fat......then take 2 weeks off.......and then start the mass diet again.......
Are you wanting strength? or size........cause you can be strong with out neccaslry being all that big......i'm 250lbs i'm prety big, but i'm not all that strong i just train to look big, i know what works for me, but not you cause we are 2 different body types.......this is what i like, i'm doing a strength thing right now....
Focase on power moements.....god amount of weight, and explode......do this on any kind of presing( militrty, benching, incline, declin etc....as well as squat and ewadlift, these are a lil harder to "explode form" but do the best you can. These al build the best size.
After my power movements, I like to do "body buling style " stuff after ward heres what a typical chest day is for me....however I am expierementing with somthing right now so it looks weird, but i will give you and explaination after ward.
warm upw/ delcine db bench 10/40 10/50/ 10/60
flat bench
135/8 bands( warm up)
225/5 no bands
155/4 bands
240/4 no bands
165/3 bands
260/3 no bands
185/2 bands
275 or 295 /2 ..no bands( depends on if I can find someone to spot me)
205 bands......2 sec pause at bottom till failure
then db incline presses 4x10
ball benches 12x3
dips 4x failure
cross overs or flys 4 sets( optional)
That looks weird, and if you don't have bands, then disregard.......but they are easy to find cheaply, go to the aerobics room, or walmart......they should have double sided bands, with a handle o n each size buy 2 of them, or get 2 of them that will work. DOuble them up, and slid the "loop end" through a 45 the handles will keep it from sliding al the way through it, take the loop end and wraping it arond the bar 2 times on each side......theres your bands.
Why to do this? Will everyone has lost a max, all because they couldn't lock it out, you get half way up, and poop out, wel this rep scheme tricks your brain and muscles. The bands make the weight get heavier as you lookout, so if 135 is on the bar, and the bands are on.....it "pulls ont he way down" and "pulls" on the way up resistaning you, so when you lock out it about 150 or 160. IF you want more indepth I can go but thats all you need to know.
I love expieramenting with my body, its alot of fun, thats what working out is..........if you would liek to know anything more, or anythingnew i can give you pleanty of variations of excercises, that wil have you guessing as well as people at the gym lol........just let me know cause alot of times if your stuck, your doingt he same thing over and over
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.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/09, 12:07 PM
Sorry wasn't clear, after you loop the band throuth the hole in the 45 lay it on the ground, this anchors it to the ground and wrap the loop around the bar......
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.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/06/09, 12:07 PM
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2004/06/10, 12:18 AM
Another question. I have a buddy>>>>genetic Freak this guy is. 6"4 230lbs. big and ripped. He says to cut the crazy amounts of protein and eat more carbs to get tight.
I am seriously skeptical of his theory. What do u lads think.
Isnt body building and endless array of confusion and advice asking? Guess thats how you improve right?
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2004/06/10, 10:44 AM
Telatter,
This is a bit out of my arena, but I think when body builders get ready to compete there is a carb loading. For a period they reduce thier carbs to almost nothing and then just before the show they add them back in. This adds water to the muscle and pumps things up. However, unless you are competing I imagine your purpose is to build muscle. In that case, ask yourself what comprises muscle tissues. Protein, which is made from amino acids. The best source of those aminos is protein. Carbs are an energy source and protein is a building block.
Now, to get better information you might want to start a new thread in nutrition.
Daniel Love
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2004/06/10, 10:58 AM
I knew his theory didnt make any sense.
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