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not enough back training

bigdavid Posts: 139 Joined: 2001/04/05	2001/10/05, 05:44 PM my ft only gives me 2 back workouts i don't think its enough.. i want to develop my upper and lower back quickly and with good results, best results. do you think if i do 2 more other back workouts can help me achieve what i want .. or should i just do what ft tells me to do.. can it hurt or slow .. if i chose to do more.. I like to feel it ..You know what I mean ..2... i just don't think its enough .. IM done within 15 minutes .. I cant do a lot of wide chin-ups ...cant do a lot of reps ..i could 9 and less and less..with some assistance ..Im dying to do it ...without assistance and a lot of reps... any advice ..Or a good back workout. These are the workout that ft want me to do... 1.Wide Grip Machine Pulldowns. 2.One Arm Dumbell Rows . thanks
jbennett Posts: 1,558 Joined: 2001/02/28	2001/10/05, 06:07 PM It you have access to a T-bar row "machine" you can do that. Most have 2-3 different grips that can help vary what muscles you are targeting in your back. You can do heavy barbell bent-over rows (wide grip is fun), cable rows (close grip), etc. Just depends on what your goals are. My advice: follow Schwarzenegger's advice - do 50 wide grip pull-ups per back session. It doesn't matter how many sets it takes to get there, just get 50. Eventually, you'll get down to just a couple sets. The dumbbell row really is a good excercise. I'd stick with it. Your lower back will be worked on your leg day, if you do deadlifts and heavy squats. Since I'm a bit tall, my lower back gets worked hard when I do deadlifts, and a little bit with squats.
Amr_Mr.Olympia Posts: 195 Joined: 2001/04/03	2001/10/06, 11:05 AM jbennet is right about the chin ups... I followed the same routine and in 6 months i do chinups now even with a light dumbell between my legs. the best back routine i ever had was as follows: * 50 chinups, and if i get it over in less than 5 sets, i add more risistance by weights. * Barbell rows * T-Bar rows * then kill my upper back with seated cable rows. I do deadlifts and hyper extensions on the legs day which I think is more than enough Amr
coolness Posts: 338 Joined: 2001/05/23	2001/10/07, 08:54 PM I know that I can't go with the dumbbell rows because of my shoulders; I'm glad you mention the T-Rows 'cause that's what I do in instead. They work the back for sure!! coolness...