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2004/08/12, 12:07 PM
Just wanted to know whats the difference between training till fatigue and training till failure?
Which is better for muscle building?
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2004/08/13, 03:09 AM
Roger,
To train till you fatigue, you probably have to be doing high sets/low weight, but to train with low reps/high weight you can get out enough reps to were you fail at the last rep which should be under 10-12 reps. The best way to build muslce is to use more weight with less reps. You can think of it like this... Weight Train till failure and do cardio till you fatigue. Now, if your already fatigue before lifting weights, then maybe you should take the day off. Maybe someone else can give a better answer.
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2004/08/13, 03:44 PM
Always train until failure with resistance training (weights). For example, on a bench press if your target reps are 8, then you should not stop the movement at 8 reps unless you have reached failure. Continue the reps until you can no longer push the weight with strict form. If you do not train until failure you will never know when it is time to move up in weight. Training till failure tells you that the weight is too light when exceeding the target reps.
Hope this helps! :big_smile:
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2004/08/13, 04:32 PM
so when I get to the point where I'm struggling with the weight (but know that I can push out 2 more), I should go for it right??? Or is this counter-productive?
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2004/08/13, 07:50 PM
You should go for it as long as you can control the weight. If you are unable to control the weight with strict form (no rocking, swaying, swinging, throwing..etc) then you have hit muscle failure. Let your body tell you when you have failed. Some muscles you can literally go until the movement becomes impossible (i.e. straight bar curls). A good habit is to log everything you do. Use your last set of reps from the previous week to motivate you to do more. Good luck! :big_smile:
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2004/08/15, 05:11 PM
Here's something I'm trying to get straight... should you reach failure on each set, or should you only reach failure on your final set...?
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Quoting from davisp:
Always train until failure with resistance training (weights). For example, on a bench press if your target reps are 8, then you should not stop the movement at 8 reps unless you have reached failure. Continue the reps until you can no longer push the weight with strict form. If you do not train until failure you will never know when it is time to move up in weight. Training till failure tells you that the weight is too light when exceeding the target reps.
Hope this helps! :big_smile:
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2004/08/15, 08:36 PM
Each set
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2004/08/15, 09:22 PM
won't this overtrain the muscle if you keep doing it for every workout? or do you only do this once in a while? I try to push my muscles past what they can normally handle but I don't want to overtrain them.
I do it either in the last sets of that muscle group, once a week or when I feel confident enough to pull off a heavier weight with strict form.
or will reaching failure for every set only be productive for powerlifters? Just want to clear up something.
bb1, charlie my love, help please :)
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2004/08/15, 09:36 PM
My theory on failure etc is this, You could complete 80% of the sets your self, for most excersises. That mean on bench press out of 10 reps you should do 8 and your spot help you on last 2. But still maintain your form.
that to me is traing to fatigue
Failure is when I put say 205 on a bench bar and rep til I can't rep no more, rack it rest a min, pick it back up rep it til I can't rep nomore, rack it and so on. Doing Like 5 sets of this. When i'm done 135 should feel heavy.
However then you get principals like drops sets, rest pause stuff like that that breaks the rules and works for some people.
Most things will work and are ok as long as you get plenty of rest and your diet is good. Whatever works works I say.
To cupcake when I train to failure its usually the last excersise and its usualy somthig like an isolation excercise( flys, kick back, rop press down, pretcher curls) that I go to failure on like 2 sets. This frys the muscle a lil more, and switches it up from doing just normal sets of 8 10 or 12
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2004/08/15, 09:53 PM
You should always train to failure. Training to failure is continuing a set until you can do no more reps without stopping to rest. The reason this is important is that you want to recruit all the available muscle fibers. You want to work the entire muscle, not just some of it. If your target rep is 8 and you are able to do 12 or more, then you need to add weight to the next set to bring the failure sooner. The idea, as it has been said many times, is to pick a weight where your muscles will fail at the target rep. This is not a shocking technique, but a way of training your muscles period. If you want to shock your muscles or add intensity, then do forced reps, which is past the point of failure. Or you can choose from the other 100s of ways to shock the muscle or increase intensity. Remember not to do a method too often or you will stop adapting with that method.
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