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2004/10/11, 09:02 PM
I recently read in Men's Health new real men magazine...I think it's caleld Muscle...that only creatine and HMB have been proven effective...I think it said those who sued creatine+HMB vs nonusers had 200% better gains..I would like to know what you all think about this?...I been using creatine for a couple years now and it has been pretty effective, especially with D-Ribose(which is just a sugar, and not really effective on its own but helps absorb creatine)...I never used HMB and was wondering whether some1 has..because it said in the article it helps maintain muscle...
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2004/10/11, 09:38 PM
in my experience, hmb has been well worth the money. after 2 months of taking 1000mg 3 times a day, i had made very significant gains in all of my lifts and my body composition improved quite a bit. the only downside to the supplement as far as i have seen is the cost. thankfully, 3g/day (which i'm fairly certain is the minimum effective dose) was enough for me to see results, so i wasn't spending more than $50 a month for the stuff. however, some people require more.
as with any supplement, if you're not actively training and using the correct amounts in the correct way, it will be useless. in my case, i took 1000 mg with food in the morning, afternoon, and at night, and was strength training 5 days a week. i saw results within 14 days.
i know bb1fit uses hmb as well and something makes me think i've read in one of his posts that he uses 5g/day. i'm sure he'll have plenty of information to share with you as well.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2004/10/13, 12:43 PM
sounds a lil off... top 4 suplements last I heard
whey
creatine
mutli's
l- glutaman
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2004/10/13, 03:41 PM
well whey is a given when talking about supplements. it's essential to post-workout recovery/nutrition and i don't think any fitness magazine would dispute that. hmb was not the only supplement i was using when i made my gains, but it was the only NEW one i was using. my typical pwo regimen is just whey(but the whey i use has l-glutamine in it) and a malto/dextro combination.
when i made my best gains i was only using whey and hmb. a month later i did a creatine cycle with the hmb and when i finished it i had actually decreased my body fat and increased my muscle mass.
i do know of an irish track athlete at texas christian university who swears by the creatine/hmb combination. she is extremely lean and very strong, but i also know she uses basic training supplements like whey and glutamine as well.
as far as hmb and creatine being the ONLY effective supplements, i disagree. andrew is right that whey, multivitamins, and glutamine are also at the top of the list, but i think that hmb is a supplement that doesn't get the attention it deserves.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2004/10/13, 04:27 PM
I agree with bigandrew, HMB has only been proven effective in about one study which was twisted around by the supplement companies. If anything, the creatine is what makes an HMB+Creatine stack effective. And, I wouldn't take a Men's Health magazines word for anything. They still print articles about how you should lift light weight and do lots of push-ups to "get cut". No thank you.
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2004/10/13, 04:33 PM
I agree with dahayz, don't believe anything you read in mens health magazines. all though i do think they make good bathroom reading:big_smile:
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2004/10/13, 04:39 PM
And the articles on sex aren't to shabby either.
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2004/10/13, 04:43 PM
i won't argue with studies, but like i said, in my PERSONAL experience hmb has proven very effective. when i first started with the supplement i added significant amounts to all my lifts. keep in mind i was not stacking with creatine for the first two months i was using this. the initial gains are not, in my opinion, something that will continue to multiply with continued use, but to break out of a plateau i think the supplement is very effective. i also believe that hmb is beneficial for muscle maintenance, also something i believe from personal experience.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2004/10/13, 05:06 PM
Had you made any other changes like your diet or workout?..when you started taking hmb
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2004/10/13, 06:27 PM
no. i kept everything the same just to see if the stuff really worked. i'm very skeptical about the effectiveness of supplements so i always make sure there are no hidden variables when i test something new.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2004/10/13, 06:40 PM
Men's Health is still relatively new in the bodybuilding field, and I have read their articles for quite some time. Though they are getting better, they still use some quite unfounded statements with absolutlely no credible research to back it up. For someone just trying to get "fit", then most of their stuff will work, as those folks are already out of shape and any positive change in diet and exercise habits will benefit them. Beyond that.....:big_smile:
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2004/10/13, 07:25 PM
could it be one of those mind over muscle things......caus eyou thought it was working, it did work........just playing don't wana get into psycology lol Somthing work for some and others don't.
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2004/10/13, 07:43 PM
No, say it ain't so, the...<drumroll>...dreaded placebo effect? Anyway, I find this fascinating(placebo effect). I myself have experienced it as I am sure many of us have. In my mind, if the placebo effect works, what is wrong with that? Bodybuilding is as much a mental sport as physical.
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could it be one of those mind over muscle things......caus eyou thought it was working, it did work........just playing don't wana get into psycology lol Somthing work for some and others don't.
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2004/10/13, 07:59 PM
I am no expert, but what I have read is that HMB does not help build muscle, but helps minimize muscle break down under stress (say from workout). I take it in a product 1 hour before workout and have had good results compared to not taking it. Maybe someone could elaborate on this if they know for sure.
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2004/10/13, 10:16 PM
i suppose it could be a placebo effect, but like bb1 says, if it works what's wrong with it? all i know is that i made the most significant gains i've ever experienced while i was taking it, so i stand by it as an effective supplement for myself if not for anyone else.
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No, say it ain't so, the...<drumroll>...dreaded placebo effect? Anyway, I find this fascinating(placebo effect). I myself have experienced it as I am sure many of us have. In my mind, if the placebo effect works, what is wrong with that? Bodybuilding is as much a mental sport as physical.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2004/10/14, 02:57 AM
Can't hurt try something out once and if it works good if not don't buy it again, plain and simple.
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2004/10/14, 03:28 AM
I think Bigandrew u misinterpretened what i was saying...I was merely trying to paraphrase what I read....Protein is #1...but is it really a supplement if you can get it in ur diet technically through variety of sources easily and should in fact focus on getting it that way...I was taking glutamine and eventho all muscle magazines cite it religiously...suggesting doses up to 20 grams a day...I couldn't notice anything with it, and I took 5-10grams a day after heavy workouts, tryign to minimize soreness....multivitamins are also a different sorts...they merely 'cover up' you deficiencies in certain vitamins...although one can also argue u can eat enough chicken/beef a day to cover creatine needs w/o supplementation...tho it would be more difficult...
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2004/10/17, 11:26 PM
you'd have to eat 10lbs of meat to get like 5 grams of creatine.......start chewing
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2004/10/18, 02:42 AM
lol sorry i was away ::chewing:::
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2004/10/18, 02:51 AM
I believe not 100% but protein is a supplement because although you can get it through whole foods, the difference is digestion speed. Protein isolate is a quick absorbing protein that will get to the muscles quickly which is vital PWO. Glutamine is very good take, you can't compare glutamine and creatine two different supplements. Finding out what supplements work well together is the key, and if your not creating a need for supplements they are just a waste of money.:dumbbell:
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