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2002/07/05, 03:21 PM
hi
I am 40 y old. in great shape for my age. Going 4 times a weeks to the gym.....but I´d like to get biger muscles.
I am using creatine only... doing a great diet, lots of protein(natural food, and shakes, carbs, fruits and veg. Very low fat in all.
How can I get bigger?....is it steroids a good way?
please help with this. any help is very welcome.
thanks
Gio
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2002/07/05, 07:23 PM
First of all...one thing that you are not taking into consideration is your age. When a person ages their ability to put on muscle decreases from about 30yrs on.
Also, don't take steriods because will lose in the long run. If anything try not using creatine for a few months then get back on it. I would try and stay away from steroids if I were you. Bye
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2002/07/07, 03:07 PM
Don't lie yourself that you can do it natural way..
You are over 40yr and your natural way is a past..
Some Testo and Deca will do the trick to you..
check www.anabolic-steroids.netfirms.com
for more advices..
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Quoting from gio:
hi
I am 40 y old. in great shape for my age. Going 4 times a weeks to the gym.....but I´d like to get biger muscles.
I am using creatine only... doing a great diet, lots of protein(natural food, and shakes, carbs, fruits and veg. Very low fat in all.
How can I get bigger?....is it steroids a good way?
please help with this. any help is very welcome.
thanks
Gio
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2002/07/07, 03:17 PM
i am 42 and have been doing it the natural way with that stuff and have made some good gains......
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2002/07/07, 08:05 PM
If you decide to do steroids, Why don't you just put a bullet in your head right now. It'll be alot faster and painless. If I were you I wouldn't trust it. Obviously, Zuty13 is a seller of steroids so I wouldn't trust his word anyways. My uncle is Professional body builder au natural and he is 42.
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2002/07/07, 08:07 PM
I doubt you need steroids to make some gains.. I don't really know much about any of them.. there should be plenty of other routes to consider before taking them.. maybe some other supplements like cell-tech etc (i don't know much about supps either.. try the supp board on this site) and even look at jnellie.. he is clean and still doing great.. buf if it does come down to taking them try to find out all you can about them.. read that site zuty posted.. ask questions on www.fitnessboard.com ... this probably is the worst spot to ask about roid though because a majority (if not everyone) here is steroid free... I'm not sure if its true or not but I 'heard' that although steroids give you great gains you lose those great gains very quickly after you come off them... poke around ft too.. there should be a few articles on anabolic steroids and reasons why you SHOULDN'T do them...
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2002/07/07, 08:26 PM
Stay away from from steroids. They are nothing but bad for you. You can do it by taking creatine or just doing it naturally, you seem to have a great diet going on.
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2002/07/08, 02:25 AM
Hmmm patience..... Muscles need time to grow.
Hard work, good diet and rest is the answer.
Hi iceman, this fellow asked a question, now please give him a nice answer as well.
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- Nina :o) La vie est toujours aussi belle.....
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2002/07/08, 02:34 PM
Ive never done steroids myself, and never would. They do work, I have seen the results. But it is NOT automatic, there is a guy I know doing enough to sink a battleship he just looks fat, and it really aint worth the money, or the health risk!
I might try this guy on the web for help, you could also consider it; http://www.musclenow.com/mass.html
I dont know if its the "real deal", but it works out in price at a few months on creatine, so who knows, he might be able to help!
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Quoting from gio:
hi
I am 40 y old. in great shape for my age. Going 4 times a weeks to the gym.....but I´d like to get biger muscles.
I am using creatine only... doing a great diet, lots of protein(natural food, and shakes, carbs, fruits and veg. Very low fat in all.
How can I get bigger?....is it steroids a good way?
please help with this. any help is very welcome.
thanks
Gio
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2002/07/13, 06:15 PM
Two words for those considering steroids:
Lyle Alzado.
Does anyone remember how he looked on Larry King Live shortly before his death? That ought to be enough to scare anyone off of the stuff. (In case you don't know, Alzado died of brain cancer induced by the roids.)
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2002/07/21, 09:53 AM
humm now you need to know that why a person need to use the steroids.the muscule gained by the steroids decreased soon steroids could be only use for the competition.you could gain muscule through proper diet and workout.now you can,t make youeself coleman in this age and for fitness just good diet and exercise i recomend for you.
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2002/07/21, 11:04 AM
I am 35 almost 36 and feel in the best shape of my life and still getting better age may make some differences, but I think through hard work age maters not as much. And I like Iceman's thinking natural is best. I have seen Steroids at work for medical reasons not mass gain and even through strickt and watchfull proffecional guidence they can mess you up even short term and it is even worse when you are in or over your 40's. Best of luck to i your gains
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2002/07/21, 11:07 AM
Suposed to read best of luck in your gains
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I am 35 almost 36 and feel in the best shape of my life and still getting better age may make some differences, but I think through hard work age maters not as much. And I like Iceman's thinking natural is best. I have seen Steroids at work for medical reasons not mass gain and even through strickt and watchfull proffecional guidence they can mess you up even short term and it is even worse when you are in or over your 40's. Best of luck to i your gains
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2002/07/22, 03:50 PM
IF YOU LOVE YOUR LIVER
~~~JUST SAY NO~~~
TRUSE ME AT 40...I THINK ITS EVEN WORSE
TO TAKE IT.
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2002/07/22, 04:17 PM
Remember the old adage, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is". Words to live by.
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2002/08/02, 06:11 AM
there are steroids out ther for all kinds of goals now, and if your going to do steroids, do them right and do them safely (it is possible, yes) ther are drugs out there to counter gyno, ball shrinkage, loss of natural testoterone production, and hair loss...do your research and buy all the necessary gear, if your going to juice, do it right, don't just jump into it with a vial of deca and 1000 tabs of d-bol. The safest juice is the most expensive, but spending the wad of extra cash on the safest way(including stuff like nolvadex and other side-effect countering chemicals)is the best. Do your research dude, finding out about this stuff yourself is the best way, people who just say "steroids bad!" haven't looked into them at all, anyway, my advice would be to do your research and choose the safest possible gear
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2002/08/02, 06:16 AM
ooh, also, there are drugs as well that help you maintain the majoirty of the gains you make when your juiced, they won't stay at that peak, but with the proper supplementation, you can keep most of your gains...I'm not advocating steroid use or abuse...but it can be done right
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2002/08/02, 10:56 AM
My advice on steroids or ANY stimulants legal or not are that its just messing with the body chemistry and flirting with danger. I haev always taken pride in the fact that I can build my body up naturally...and I feel if you have any sense of self worth, when yo udo build yourself up the natural way you will feel a whole hell of a lot better than if you cheated with drugs. Thats just how I feel about it.
Steroids are for people that do not want to put the real effort into getting a nice body. ITs a cheat way and I have always seen it that way, safe or not safe.
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2002/08/02, 07:46 PM
Don't do it man. A year ago I was exactly where you are. I had lost 70 lbs, was working out like a mad man but just couldn't put on the muscle. Although I have a morbid fear of needles I was ready to stick myself if thats what it was going to take. I did a lot of research, talked to a lot of people and came to the conclusion that the risks out weighed the gains, the gains are only temporary unless you become a roid junkie and that they are not a magic bullet.
Have you tried prohormones or some of the other "lega" supplemants out there? I've experimented with most of them and while 90% of whats out there is BS, you can get gains out of some of it. I'm playing around with 1-test right now I'm not what is happening but something is happening. It's potent stuff.
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2002/08/03, 05:18 AM
1-test is basically weka boldenone anyway...but its good shit man, you keep most of your gains and it bilds prett much JUST lean mass as opposed to the other ph's (1-test isn't really a ph...bt anyway) like 4-ad and 19-nor were you gain fat and retain water along with your lean mass
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2002/08/03, 02:10 PM
ICEMAN, you really need to chill, my brother. This is the 3rd time I've read a post from you getting carried away with your emotional opinions. To feel so strongly about something positive like going all-natural is a beautiful thing; I feel the exact same way. But it is just an opinion. I'm sure you've read thousands of other posts, and I'm sure you've discovered that you are the only one who writes so viciously and aggressively. Why not use your intelligence and articulation to convey your obvious passion for your beliefs, rather than just spouting off a bunch of four-letter words. That's what children do. Besides, you may very well just be exceptionally gifted with great genes. MANY others are not so lucky and need all the help they can get. Breathe in. Breath out. Live4Love.
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2004/05/15, 02:09 PM
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2004/05/15, 03:43 PM
nobody around here will tell you where to buy the gear bigpoopa15.
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now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
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2004/05/15, 03:49 PM
By the way at 15 you dont even need anything your test levels are running high. You should have no problems gaining muscle.
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I am that
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now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
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2004/05/19, 04:59 PM
Most of you are saying steroids are bad, but don't most of our bodybuilding idols use or have used steroids? Like Arnold.... Isn't that why there are bodybuilding competitions for natural and unnatural? So, if you wanna look like Arnold, you better take steroids, but if you wanna look more like guys on cover of Men's Health, then natural's the way to go. I personally don't take steroids, but if you have done all the research and think you work hard enough to take it, then i guess you could. But if you're asking this kind of question on FT, then you better work harder and research more on it.
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2004/05/21, 06:42 AM
Steroids
Good points - Muscle growth, increases protein synthesis, quicker recovery, longer workouts, they also allow you to lift heavier weights, but this puts more strain on joints and tendons and is just asking for trouble.
Bad points - Steroids will cause muscle hypertrophy, but they also cause prostate hypertrophy, your nuts to shut down, the unused testosterone in your body is converted to oestrogen, and creates water retention, gyno, and increases the ability of the body to store fat, severe acne, oily skin, aggressiveness, irritability, blurred vision,increased libido, impotence, euphoria, increases bad cholesterol, can enlarge the left ventrical of the heart I have read, just to name a few, these sides are just from the injectables which avoid the first pass of the liver.
Oral Steroids on the other hand cause all the sides as above, but are also very toxic on the liver because of the 17aa. That is they have altered the drug so that your stomach acids dont kill the testosterone, stomach acids kill 99% of the test, so they checmically alter the drug to prevent this, but it is very toxic on the liver.
All roids are toxic on the liver because it is the liver that converts the testosterone so the body can use it, all this process takes place in the liver.
Basically it is not a matter of just taking steroids and growing. One must know what the type of steroid they are using will do to there body, and how to use ancilliary drugs to counteract the sides, this includes as stated above, Nolvadex(Tamoxifen Citrate), Clomid(Clomiphene Citrate), Arimidex, HCG(Human Chorionic Gonadatropins), proviron etc. There is a lot to know and unless you really know what you are doing and even then you SHOULD NEVER USE THEM.
Also never listen to people like zuty13, they will tell you anyhting to sell their filth.
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2004/05/21, 06:50 AM
I'm not trying to talk you out of it and I'm definately not trying to talk you into doing it, but thought I would give you some information you could actually use, and not judge or berate you for asking a legitimate question. However please note, I'm not an expert on the matter nor am I a doctor, so all this should be taken with a grain of salt, this is just some of the info I have gathered on the subject over time. Do a search on google or whatever for "Steroids" Heaps of info.
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2004/05/21, 07:24 AM
Maybe also try some ZMA, I think, although arent entirely sure that ZMA will prevent SHBG from binding to androgen\test receptor, and allow more of your natural testosterone to be utilised. BB1? you'll know more about this.
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2004/05/26, 07:40 AM
here is an informative article on the use of steroids:
http://philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/steroidquestion.htm
If you work out for your health, there is no earthly reason to use steroids.
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2004/07/20, 08:47 AM
The term "anabolic" does not necessarily connote positive effects, and building up isn't always an aid to health. I can argue that accelerated cell division is good for maintaining the body and being healthy, but that's also the same process that can cause tumors and spread cancer. This is just an analogy, not a direct commentary on the effects of steroids. Your reasoning is flawed and you haven't said anything substantive to back up your claims. Besides, it almost sounds like you posted this just to stir people up.
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2004/07/20, 09:35 PM
I agree! This is a well beaten topic. Your reasoning that since YOU experienced no adverse side effects that it is all right for all to use. That is a a very dangerous fallacy to portray. In just the last 3 years guys that have used these types of drugs have had very nasty kidney problems and even death. Playing with these drugs is dangerous at best kind of like playing with a loaded gun with the saftey off. IT may or may not fire but you will never know. Also that statement about misguided morality bothers me. I am strong and natural do I have your numbers? No not yet but I wqill. ANd with out drugs why cause this Loud Mouthed NATURALITE has more will power and drive. Now that said I am not saying that you are a bad person, each has to make his/her own choices. Just as you do not want us to knock you ideals do not knock ours!
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LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
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2004/07/21, 08:44 AM
WEll I agree with some of your posts....it is just that you obviously sound like you researched it out. I fear that others coming on here wanting to have thos gains they allways dreamed of read this and think hey he did it and so can I. Now that may or may not happen but we need to make it clear that these drugs are not natural for the body, they mimic other natural hormones and in certain cases be of a good use, but used wrongly they can and in a lot of case either hurt or kill you. That said lets drop it cause we both will never really see eye to eye on this....LOL. As for my numbers they are definatly not close to yours....My best lifts are: bench 315x1 squat 350x1 dead 450x1. I have the drive and will power to go higher just need to get a stable workout life...money was thight the last few years...that is not a excuse but a reality LOL. Now I have the start of a home gym and I hope to be busting thru in the next year...good luck on you training and goals as well!
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LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2004/07/25, 01:15 PM
Yeah,my friends say I'm too stubborn sometimes,oh well,anyway for any gains to come at all you definitely need stablilty and consistency...and time!It was disappointing seeing the lights go out in kids eyes when you tell them the length of time it takes to build strength in most cases.Older people accept that fact alot easier in my exp.as a trainer,anyway you stay strong bro!:dumbbell:
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