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2005/01/03, 07:45 PM
:) Hello everyone! My name is David Farquhar and this is my first post on the ft msg boards. I have been on a cycle of 1-AD for about the last 4 weeks taking 3 100mg 3x a day. I have been trying to break my own personal weight barrier of about 140 Lbs for the last few years with little success. Now I feel that I am starting to make improvements with the help of some pro-hormones and regular exercise. Thanks to the pro-hormone ban in the united states this will be my last stack.
:surprised: This is my problem :surprised:
I have been getting decent results from the 1-AD stack but would like to make my last stack count so that I can break my weight barrier. I am about to take this stack:
2 100mg 1-AD 3X a day +
4cc of Paradeca 2X a day +
2 caps T-BOL 3X a day
I know that testosterone levels must recharge for awhile in between stacks. So if I get off the stack I am on aprox how long should I wait? What would be the side effects of going on to the new stack without taking time off? I would really appreciate some proffesional advice on my situation as well as comments from anyone else.
Thanks,
David:love:
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2005/01/03, 08:20 PM
A normal timeframe between PH cycles is as long off as you were on.
But this is with more "hardcore" PH's, like M1T, etc. I believe if you want to you if you are having no "issues" right now, you could go ahead and continue with additions to your current cycle.
By the way, for "recharge" as you put it, I do not know what you are doing, but I would propose 6 oxo at least, stack it with some creatine. If you go more hardcore, say M1T for instance, you should think along the lines of Nolva.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/01/03, 08:40 PM
ok so you are taking 1,4 andro 5 alpha andro and 1AD all together. Cost wise this doesnt make alot of sense I mean let see
Paradeca=75 bucks
T-Bol = 42 bucks
1 AD = 35 bucks
Ok thats 152 bucks if my adding is correct dont get me wrong it will be a decent cycle maybe gain 10-12 lbs but you still havent figured in the cost of PCT or liver support which will put you close to 200 bucks. Just to put it in to perspective you could do a cycle of Methyl 1 Test and 4AD and easily gain 10-20 lbs 15% of which will be water weight 1.5 lbs but for 32.95 for the whole cycle at dpsnutrition.com just look under prohormones specials. So then you have 119.00 bucks still in your pocket. Sorry I analyze everything but there are alot better products and prices out there. If you want the same compounds in those products just order bulk 1,4 andro powder and cap it yourself you will still save alot of money. JMHO
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Keith Hardy CFO
Serious Nutrition Solutions LLC
keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com
www.seriousnutritionsolutions.com
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2005/01/03, 09:59 PM
Well said...
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Quoting from longballer:
ok so you are taking 1,4 andro 5 alpha andro and 1AD all together. Cost wise this doesnt make alot of sense I mean let see
Paradeca=75 bucks
T-Bol = 42 bucks
1 AD = 35 bucks
Ok thats 152 bucks if my adding is correct dont get me wrong it will be a decent cycle maybe gain 10-12 lbs but you still havent figured in the cost of PCT or liver support which will put you close to 200 bucks. Just to put it in to perspective you could do a cycle of Methyl 1 Test and 4AD and easily gain 10-20 lbs 15% of which will be water weight 1.5 lbs but for 32.95 for the whole cycle at dpsnutrition.com just look under prohormones specials. So then you have 119.00 bucks still in your pocket. Sorry I analyze everything but there are alot better products and prices out there. If you want the same compounds in those products just order bulk 1,4 andro powder and cap it yourself you will still save alot of money. JMHO
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/01/03, 10:44 PM
Okay, thank you BB1FIT for your info on the "off" cycle recovery.
And @longballer you seem to know what you are talking about. Thank you.
So what I am looking at is Serious Nutrition Methyl 1-Test which retails for DPS Price: $15.95
and you say that I should stack this with 4AD. Any suggestions on liver support? For example I have read that adding Milk Thistle as a supplement would help in this area. Also I have read that 4-AD and Methl1-Test will supposedley aromatize into estrogen, is this true? Should I spend cash on 6 oxo and DHT blockers? If so what brands? Im rather desparate for this information and appreciate any help that is given.
Thanks
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2005/01/03, 11:31 PM
Milk thistle should indeed be used PCT.
If you use M1T, you can use 6 oxo, but Nolva will be your best bet. For best results, use both.
Use neither while on cycle.
4AD will help with M1T. M1T can cause lethargy, and 4AD will help offset this.
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If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/01/04, 08:44 AM
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 tablet
Servings per container: 60
Amount Per Serving
This is one compound I am looking at it is Methl depot Methl 1-Test (not sure if 5-AD will be better than 4-AD)ingredients are:
Methyl 1-Testosterone 10.5mg
7alpha methyl-17beta-hydroxy-andros (1-ene-3-one)
5-Androstenediol 50mg
5-Androstene 3beta, 17beta diol)
20 Beta Hydroxyecdysone 50mg
Proprietary Amplifier Blend 100mg
Bergamottin, Bupleurum, Hoelen
And then there are the new gelgaps that have a longer shelf life. (Legal Gear Methyl 1-Test, MethylGels) Not sure which ones to get. Any ideas?
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2005/01/04, 11:18 AM
Any M1T will do. Either Serious Nutrition Supplements or Legal gear are both good products.
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If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/01/04, 07:47 PM
Thank you to every one who posted on this thread. I think that I will be able to make educated decisions for my next cycle. I have to say I am really impressed by the community here, Its a really great website with great people! I know that I could have most likeley searched for hours looking at posts on other msg boards to answer some of my ?s but the people here are really willing to give out information. I am really psyched this year! Never before have I been this healthy! I gave up smoking 3 Mo ago, am consuming about 8 or 9 8oz glasses of H2O every day, have been exercising for at least 30 min 4 to 5 times a week, eating about 3,000 Caloris a day, and getting way too much protein and vitamins! As of today I am about 149 to 150 lbs! A personal best, and I am ready to put on more weight! I look forward to talking with more people on FT, and my gf just got an account also! Once again thank you (bb1fit)(longballer) for all the advice! :big_smile:
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