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2005/01/06, 09:15 AM
I use both protien shakes and bars, when is a good time during the day to use one or the other? is there such thing as too much??
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2005/01/06, 09:45 AM
protein shake after your work out is a must mixed with some carbs.
apart from that try getting your protein from whole food,
if you can take shakes whenever to reach your protein goals
good luck
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2005/01/06, 05:34 PM
actually tabber, it's 1g protein per pound of bodyweight to keep your system in a positive nitrogen balance.
also, if you could post the reasearch that supports the idea that too much protein "might" damage your kidneys, that would be appreciated because as far as i am aware, none exists. i would just like to know where you picked up this information.
lindsay, raj is correct, a post-workout shake mixed with some carbs is essential to recovery. apart from that, you should only supplement when you can't get the rest of your intake from whole foods like tuna, chicken breasts, and other lean meats. egg whites and cottage cheese are other good sources. if you want to eat a bar as a snack when you're on the run or just don't have the time to eat a small meal, it's a good way to avoid eating junk.
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Quoting from tabber:
They say you should take 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. I'm 225, 10% body fat, and I consume around 325 grams a day. No, my math isn't off, I just think that other 125 is a bit of a waste. Unless you're consuming 400+ grams a day, you'll be fine. Too much "might" damage your kidneys though.
As far as when to take it, it's really up to you. I drink a shake when I get up, one before my workout, one after my workout and one before bed. Plus I eat alot during the day.
Hope that helps and sorry for rambling.
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2005/01/06, 05:34 PM
Protein is good, but i think you should have at most 40%-50% of your daily protein brom bars and shakes, the rest should come from other foods. At least thats what ive heard.
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2005/01/06, 07:16 PM
no actually it's 1g, do some research. there is nothing wrong with 2g/pound but 1g is the standard.
and i did notice the quotations. my point in asking you to provide the research to back this up is that some people will process that as fact regardless of the quotations and your use of the word "might."
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/06, 07:31 PM
All of you weight trainers interested in being lean and muscular yet still stuck at that invisible one-gram-per-pound barrier, it’s time for a protein increase.
What’s with this universal 1g/lb stuff anyway? So many people have been parroting that recommendation lately I almost started to believe it’s true. But a good dose of Pubmed convinced me otherwise.
First of all, if we’re looking at protein "need," then regular weight trainers technically only "need" 0.8g/kg (perhaps even less). That’s only 0.36g/lb, folks. Sure, I know what you’re thinking. My PhD advisor (Dr. Lemon) has suggested more like 1.2 to 1.6g/kg, but that suggestion is only for those starting a brand new weight training program. Besides, break that down and it’s still only 0.54 to 0.72g/kg. So where did this 1g/lb thing come from?
Someone made it up, that’s where.
There’s a difference between need and optimization. As a weightlifter I hope your goals are loftier than preventing death by protein malnutrition. Rather, I hope you’re trying to find the right amount to optimize your body composition.
Since ingesting more protein carries with it scores of body composition benefits, including more lean mass and less fat mass, it stands to reason that we should be playing around with the numbers a bit to find out what’s optimal. And that’s not just for the weight lifting community. Heck, if non-active people replaced a bunch of their crappy, refined carbs with protein, they’d have less body fat and a better cardiovascular risk profile.
So, in the end, if you’re looking to seriously improve your body composition and are still stuck on a lower protein intake, heed this lesson and eat more protein!
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2005/01/06, 07:35 PM
and just to add to that, by standard i mean for a person engaged in a normal exercise routine -- not an elite strength athlete or competitive bodybuilder. the person who originally posed this question in this post does light weight lifting. 1g/pound is sufficient for her.
and again, just to clarify, there is nothing wrong with taking in 2g/pound, but the STANDARD RDA is 0.8g/lb - 1g/lb. you modify from there, not from 2g/pound.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/06, 07:41 PM
ron, your post came in the middle of while i was typing. the reason i stuck with that figure is because like i said in the post above this one, the person who originally posted this only does light weight training. all i'm saying is that this is a good starting point and as training becomes more intense you can up the protein intake. i don't do 1g/pound. i do 1.5g/pound, or at least that's what i aim for.
again, i'm not saying you shouldn't have more than this, it's just a jumping off point.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/06, 07:49 PM
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Quoting from SkinnyM6886:
Protein is good, but i think you should have at most 40%-50% of your daily protein brom bars and shakes, the rest should come from other foods. At least thats what ive heard.
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40-50% can be alot, or not much for some.
As much as possible should come from food, except when needed quickly as in the first 40 min after a training session.
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Montreal Canada
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2005/01/07, 08:35 AM
thanks everyone who responded! this really helped me to realize i need to up my protien intake to obtain my goal!
howdiekat-read your profile, i too, lost about 35 lbs in the past couple years, now im just "flabby" and looking to tone. i have rock hard abs under a layer of fat...how did you get your stomach to look like that? whats your ab workout consist of and if you could post an example of your daily diet, that would be helpful! thanks!
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2005/01/07, 08:36 AM
thanks everyone who responded! this really helped me to realize i need to up my protien intake to obtain my goal!
howdiekat-read your profile, i too, lost about 35 lbs in the past couple years, now im just "flabby" and looking to tone. i have rock hard abs under a layer of fat...how did you get your stomach to look like that? whats your ab workout consist of and if you could post an example of your daily diet, that would be helpful! thanks!
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2005/01/07, 01:39 PM
lindsay, i really don't have an intense ab workout -- i just make sure my abs are engaged when i'm lifting, that works my core pretty well, especially during squats and deadlifts. sometimes i do crunches and leg lifts and such after i run, but nothing out of the ordinary.
as far as my diet goes, i avoid fast food like the plague and eat 80% organic. the other 20% i can't afford so i buy regular :) i don't drink sodas and try to avoid processed sugar. staples in my diet are tuna, buffalo, egg whites, broccoli, spinach, fat-free yogurt, low-fat granola, oatmeal, lima beans, brussels sprouts, black beans, brown rice, peanut butter, yams, and hummus. i add protein powder to some things and i have a meal replacement shake that i drink to fill in calories.
i try to get 2400 calories in every day but i generally fall short of that. i'm still trying to work in enough carbs to balance everything correctly.
as far as an example of my daily diet, i just take the things i listed above and arrange them to fit my needs. my schedule is extremely hectic so it's never the same. i just try to eat every few hours and it works for me. hope that helps!
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/07, 06:10 PM
1) if i had nails i wouldn't worry about breaking them, especially over you posting information that could be easily misinterpreted by someone who has no background in general nutrition.
2) the point of profiles is so that when information regarding fitness goals is left out, you can look at the profile to get an idea of what that person's specific needs are. she never posted that information, i took the time to read her profile and find out what her goals were.
your 2g rings true to you. there is nothing universal about it. 1g is a minimum to start at and modify from. even you said "I consume around 325 grams a day. No, my math isn't off, I just think that other 125 is a bit of a waste" regarding the 2g/pound rule. how can you so strongly endorse something you don't even abide by?
in light of this, i owe you no apology as i was giving advice pertinent to the needs of the person asking the question.
as for the smileys at the ends of your posts, if you're trying to be sarcastic then that's fine and good, but you might want to make it a little more clear next time. i personally found the "don't feel the need to break a nail" comment very sexist, and i'm not easily offended.
that being said, let's move on.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/07, 06:35 PM
excellent. before any more good-natured ribbing occurs, you might want to fill out your profile so i don't feel like i'm being kidded by a stranger. it's not very inviting.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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