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2005/01/28, 10:07 PM
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2005/01/29, 07:03 AM
why do you think you need 17 servings a day?? Its the nutrients you need
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2005/01/29, 08:29 AM
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2005/01/29, 11:08 AM
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2005/01/29, 09:58 PM
Stop using this site as an advertising board.
Sorry to have disappointed you.
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Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2005/01/29, 11:12 AM
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2005/01/29, 12:05 PM
Why would I waste my money I can easily eat 4 1/2 cups of fruits and vegetables a day. Also, it is the USDA that recommends the guidelines and what you are saying is for a 2000 cal diet which for many americans is too much in order to maintain appropriate weight. 17 serving is way too much and is a waste of money. Also, the fruits and vegetables should be a variety and not of just one kind. So, again....why 17 servings a day when my body doesn't really need all of it??? I would suggest that if you invested in this company that you bail before you lose too much. Thanks for yet another option of purchasing a useless product.
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2005/01/30, 10:34 PM
Just for reference that last post was from me. Thought I had signed in, guess not thats why it says null.
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2005/01/31, 10:12 AM
no telling some one the name is ok, obviously what you did was more than that or it would not have been deleted
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2005/01/31, 10:22 AM
One more post about your pills and you will be banned!
Your total of 5 posts on the same thread have done nothing to encourage or motivate members on here.
I am leaving your last post to be fair to our member, who you are asking for evidence.
I think he WILL have the evidence for you.
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Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2005/01/31, 03:36 PM
Just for starters,
With the increasing popularity of vitamins and nutritional supplements, it is necessary to look at all sides of this phenomenon, particularly from the safety angle.
Fortified foods and supplements are in these days. They are ideal for both the busy and the health conscious. A vitamin pill or a liquid multivitamin seems the ideal solution to compensate for a missed dinner. For dieters, it means you can limit your calories while still getting all the nutrients you need, right?
What’s more? These supplements are little regulated if at all. You can pick anyone of them up at your neighborhood grocery. More and more people today add nutrients to their diet by selecting foodstuffs fortified with vitamins and minerals. Manufacturers add iron to your breakfast cereals or they even add vitamin C to sweets or vitamin A to margarine. This is something that is done regularly by the food industry and most people would argue this is a very good thing.
These products are intended to boost your health, but they can be anything but healthy if you grossly overdo it. Taken to excess, you actually can overdose on vitamins and other food supplements. The food industry needs to desist from advertising health benefits that are not backed up by science or putting far too much of certain items, like iron in their products.
As with most substances, it is the amount consumed that is the key. Almost anything is toxic if consumed in excess, including salt, alcohol and even water or oxygen! Provided that supplements are taken in the amounts recommended on the pack by the manufacturer or retailer, and the recommended doses are not exceeded by combining too many different supplements, then it is highly unlikely that supplements will cause toxicity.
Water soluble vitamins - such as the B group vitamins and vitamin C - cannot be stored by the body to any great extent, so if you take in more than your body needs, they are simply excreted. However, the fat soluble vitamins A and D can accumulate in the body, but pose no danger to your health if consumed within the safe upper limits indicated for them. The exception is in pregnancy, when large amounts of vitamin A may pose a risk to the developing infant.
Combining supplements will not normally interfere with the way they work and in some cases may be beneficial. However, certain supplements may interact with each other, for example, there is competition within the gut for the absorption of different minerals and a large dose of one might decrease the absorption of another or cause excessive absorption of another. Generally speaking though, this is not a problem. Take vitamin D and calcium for instance. No matter how much calcium you take, it will not be anywhere as beneficial as if you took a moderate amount of both vitamin D and calcium together.
Therefore a high quality liquid multivitamin and/or mineral product is best for all-round supplementation because it delivers nutrients in the right balance. Before combining supplements, people should consult their doctor, pharmacist or the company manufacturing the supplements for advice, or simply stick to a high quality multi that has most of what you need and simply add the additional nutrients you seek for your own specific needs.
As our bodies age, they become less efficient at absorbing some of the nutrients from our diet making it important to ensure that the right quantities of relevant vitamins and minerals are consumed. For example, as we get older our bodies are less able to absorb iron but Vitamin C can help increase absorption, as can multivitamins in liquid form. On the other hand, we are also more prone to toxicity as even water-soluble vitamins are not excreted as much because of our less efficient kidneys. Individual sensitivities and variations in response can occur, so if any unexpected symptoms appear whilst taking a particular supplement, medical advice should be sought.
If you suspect that you're taking too much of a vitamin or mineral, don't stop completely. Nutrition experts suggest cutting back to about half of your current dosage. Your body has adjusted itself to handle a massive dose, so if you stop altogether, it could trigger a deficiency.
If you're thinking about increasing the dosage of some nutrients or are just curious about your present vitamin regimen, consult your doctor or a registered dietitian. This is especially important if you have an illness such as diabetes or high blood pressure, since large doses of some supplements can interfere with the function of some medications.
Nonspecific symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and rash, are common with any acute or chronic vitamin overdose. Vitamin-caused symptoms may be secondary to those associated with additives (e.g, mannitol), colorings, or binders; these symptoms usually are not severe. Each vitamin also has specific symptoms associated with its overdose. The good news is that morbidity and mortality from pure vitamins are rare. One study of acute or chronic overdoses, with more than 40,000 exposures, reported 1 death and 8 major adverse outcomes. Contrast this with most of the drugs out there, which can, overtime, kill or injure thousands out of 40,000 exposures.
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Every man hears only what he understands -Goethe
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2005/01/31, 03:57 PM
Can You Overdose on Vitamins?
Too much of a good thing can have unexpected consequences. Just ask people who have gulped gallons of carrot juice, which is rich in beta carotene, only to find that the palms of their hands and the soles of their feet turned a dull yellowy orange.
The carrot-juice syndrome is generally thought to be harmless and reversible, but overdosing on some other vitamins and minerals can have serious side effects.
Vitamin A
Gorging on this vitamin compound in doses of more than 25,000 IUs (five times the RDA) can lead to liver damage, hair loss, blurred vision and headaches.
Bitamin B-6
Ingesting more than 400 mg a day (200 times the RDA) can cause numbness in the mouth and hands and difficulty in walking.
Vitamin C
It was once believed to cause kidney stones, but experts now say there is no solid evidence of dangerous side effects from vitamin C. High doses can produce stomachaches and diarrhea.
Vitamin D
In daily doses of 50,000 IUs (125 times the U.S. RDA), the sunshine vitamin can cause the buildup of calcium deposits that can interfere with the functioning of muscles, including heart tissue. While sunbathing will never create an overdose, taking too many supplements can.
Niacin
Doctors prescribe doses of 2,000 mg (100 times the RDA) to help lower cholesterol. But patients who take that much should be monitored for possible symptoms of jaundice and liver damage.
Iron
Those who want to bolster their red blood cell count, especially elderly people and menstruating women, have been taking iron supplements for years. Daily doses higher than 100 mg (six times the RDA) could interfere with absorption of zinc, a mineral that speeds wound healing and helps regulate the immune system.
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2005/01/31, 04:00 PM
This is from Europe for those not in America
Warning - taking high dose supplements over a long period of time could be harmful to your health. Wynnie Chan reports
Over 50 per cent of UK households bought dietary supplements in 2001, spending around £350 million. Yet this trend could be set to change. A recent report by the Food Standards Agency (FSA) found that people taking large doses of certain vitamins and minerals might permanently damage their health. FSA proposed that a balanced and varied diet gives a person all the necessary vitamins and minerals they need. So, where does that leave the consumer?
Why do we take
advertisement
dietary supplements?
We use supplements for a variety of reasons, from improving our health and wellbeing to preventing and treating specific conditions, and maintaining general health. The body needs an optimum amount of vitamins and minerals to function healthily and stave off illness and disease - and with today's busy lifestyle, it's not always possible to get all your vitamins from diet alone.
What is a dietary supplement?
Dietary supplements can be divided into several categories, as follows:
Single vitamins or single minerals such as vitamin C or calcium
Multivitamins and/or multi-minerals
Natural oils such as essential fatty acids (cod liver or halibut liver oils), and evening primrose oils
Natural substances such as ginseng, Royal Jelly and garlic, which are often marketed for their health-promoting benefits
Natural substances such as phytonutrients, which are not essential nutrients, e.g. flavonoids
Natural substances - herbal compounds such as echinacea, St John's Wort.
How much is too much?
Existing European guidelines specify the recommended daily amount of vitamins or minerals that adults need to maintain health and prevent deficiencies. These guidelines are known as the recommended daily allowance or RDA.
Vitamins EC labelling RDA
Vitamin A (ug)
Vitamin D (ug)
Vitamin E (mg)
Vitamin C (mg)
Vitamin B1 (mg)
Vitamin B2 (mg)
Niacin (mg)
Folate (ug)
Vitamin B6 (mg)
Vitamin B12 (ug)
Biotin (mg)
Pantothenic acid (mg)
800
5
10
60
1.4
1.6
18
200
2
1
0.15
6
Minerals
Calcium (mg)
Phosphorous (mg)
Magnesium (mg)
Iron (mg)
Magnesium (mg)
Zinc (mg)
Iodine (ug) 800
800
300
14
300
15
150
Micrograms - ugMilligrams - mg
Often, dietary supplements are available in amounts close to 100 per cent of their RDAs. However, some are sold in high or megadoses of the RDAs, and it's these high dose supplements that can pose problems if taken over a long period of time.
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2005/01/31, 04:01 PM
I'm tired, I'll send more later if needed.
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2005/01/31, 04:32 PM
While your points are well taken, you have to take into account the resistance athelete. We in fact are a different breed. Just as all the "experts" warned and swore that we needed no more protein than anyone else, they are in fact finally starting to come around to facts of life. We who on a daily basis go through extreme catabolism, do indeed need more than the lowly RDA, in fact anyone who wants a healthy immune system needs more. The RDA is there to keep a person alive, such as the recommendation for Vit. C, just enough to avoid scurvy.
There are 2 camps on this, and just as the "protein experts" were wrong, so to are these folks crying wolf.
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Quoting from fsdsk:
This is from Europe for those not in America
Warning - taking high dose supplements over a long period of time could be harmful to your health. Wynnie Chan reports
Over 50 per cent of UK households bought dietary supplements in 2001, spending around £350 million. Yet this trend could be set to change. A recent report by the Food Standards Agency (FSA) found that people taking large doses of certain vitamins and minerals might permanently damage their health. FSA proposed that a balanced and varied diet gives a person all the necessary vitamins and minerals they need. So, where does that leave the consumer?
Why do we take
advertisement
dietary supplements?
We use supplements for a variety of reasons, from improving our health and wellbeing to preventing and treating specific conditions, and maintaining general health. The body needs an optimum amount of vitamins and minerals to function healthily and stave off illness and disease - and with today's busy lifestyle, it's not always possible to get all your vitamins from diet alone.
What is a dietary supplement?
Dietary supplements can be divided into several categories, as follows:
Single vitamins or single minerals such as vitamin C or calcium
Multivitamins and/or multi-minerals
Natural oils such as essential fatty acids (cod liver or halibut liver oils), and evening primrose oils
Natural substances such as ginseng, Royal Jelly and garlic, which are often marketed for their health-promoting benefits
Natural substances such as phytonutrients, which are not essential nutrients, e.g. flavonoids
Natural substances - herbal compounds such as echinacea, St John's Wort.
How much is too much?
Existing European guidelines specify the recommended daily amount of vitamins or minerals that adults need to maintain health and prevent deficiencies. These guidelines are known as the recommended daily allowance or RDA.
Vitamins EC labelling RDA
Vitamin A (ug)
Vitamin D (ug)
Vitamin E (mg)
Vitamin C (mg)
Vitamin B1 (mg)
Vitamin B2 (mg)
Niacin (mg)
Folate (ug)
Vitamin B6 (mg)
Vitamin B12 (ug)
Biotin (mg)
Pantothenic acid (mg)
800
5
10
60
1.4
1.6
18
200
2
1
0.15
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Minerals
Calcium (mg)
Phosphorous (mg)
Magnesium (mg)
Iron (mg)
Magnesium (mg)
Zinc (mg)
Iodine (ug) 800
800
300
14
300
15
150
Micrograms - ugMilligrams - mg
Often, dietary supplements are available in amounts close to 100 per cent of their RDAs. However, some are sold in high or megadoses of the RDAs, and it's these high dose supplements that can pose problems if taken over a long period of time.
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2005/01/31, 05:16 PM
I agree, this is based on the 2000 cal "normal" American. If I have leaned anything from you BB1 it is that the UDSA and FDA do not really apply to a majority of us here. My issue with this whole thing was the 17 servings of Fruits and Veggies in one pill. This will cause an overload of ceritan vitamins and not benefit as some would hope, not to mention that getting your nutrients from whole foods will benefit you more than taking a pill.
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2005/02/01, 01:01 AM
FSDSK, I appreciate the response, that is what I was looking for - I'm glad you proved me wrong about what I said before about knowing and/or understanding - not trying to deliberately insult or anything just wanted to see some concrete evidence. I really want to say I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers in here clearly I overstepped some bounds. There is more I would like to say because I think there are still some misunderstandings about the product, but to respect the moderators I'll just leave it alone. Enjoyed the conversation if anyone wants to continue we can just communicate off the board.
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2005/02/01, 01:55 AM
While it may have been true a long time ago about getting your nutrients soley from whole foods, it may not be that simple or easy anymore.
Over processed foods, convenience foods, depleted soils, prolonged food storage and inappropriate cooking techniques to name a few mean that the vast majority of us do not get enough of a whole range of micronutrients.
The key to longevity is a strong immune system. You say, yeah, I know that. But, why is it the case that very few of us actually live out our lifespan? Most folks die of something other than old age. What they call "natural" diseases such as Alzheimers, CAD, etc. are for the most part preventable with proper nutrition. Think about it, these diseases do not happen overnight. But the symptoms do, and the stronger the immune system, the easier to ward them off. They develop over years or decades before the symptoms finally emerge. Many apparantely healthy folks are actually PRE-ILL! Sub optimal intakes of many micro nutrients, cause catabolic dominance(wear and decay). This will lead over years to debilitating illness or fatal illness.
Few of us get close to our theoritical lifespans. It is due to multiple systems failure caused by cumulative depletion fo many micro nutrients. A healthy immune system is a must, and this needs to be accomplished with comprehensive nutritional support. If you don't get enough essential vitamins and minerals in your diet(which you won't due to the reasons mentioned above and more), then eventually your health will break down. Multiple micro nutient depletion is probably the leading cause of ill health and premature death.
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not to mention that getting your nutrients from whole foods will benefit you more than taking a pill.
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2005/02/01, 05:35 AM
Just to clarify, I am not one of those anti-vitamin people. I take them myself. I just had a problem with the original post. I am curious BB1 what are you suggesting as far as achieving proper nutrient intake?
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2005/02/01, 07:18 PM
What I am talking about is basically body "maintenance". See, the body has rather significant powers for self healing and regeneration.(If this were not the case, our joints and bones would be worn thin probably by age 20!, arteries sold out by 30, etc...LOL)For instance, bones are constantly being built up and worn away, so too joints. Atheroma is constantly accumulating in the arteries, and constantly being removed.
Now we we get to the maintenance....If the processes are in balance, the tissue remains intact, and good health sustained. But, if the rate of decay is even slightly faster than the rate of repair, there will be a net loss of healthy tissue, in fact a pre illness growing a little every day until the full illness emerges.
Most of us are overtaken by this decay at some point. So, when the decay outstrips repair....well, you know the answer. So balance through proper maintenance is what I am suggesting for proper nutrient intake.
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Just to clarify, I am not one of those anti-vitamin people. I take them myself. I just had a problem with the original post. I am curious BB1 what are you suggesting as far as achieving proper nutrient intake?
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