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2005/04/03, 08:15 AM
yeah thats the question.. i was reading an article and they were speaking about the max bench press with bench press shirt is more then bench press RAW..
then i did a google on bench press shirts and it seemed a normal shirt to me.. nothing special.. just a normal 100% cotton shirt.. doesnt' says anything else...
so what do u guys think?.. does it makes any difference??.. or what is the quality in BP shirt that maxes get higher?.. has anyone tried it or its just a myth of somekind?.. cuz i can't see nothing special in them
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2005/04/03, 08:39 AM
this question should be posted in the powerlifting section....
Yes bench shirt make a huge different for trained athletes....as much as 300 lb......raw bench has been same for a while at about 700-750lb...while shirt max has got to 1005....does it make a difference? ofcoursE......the shirts are made of of a couple layers.....the more layers the more spring-like effect it produces.....usually they are 1-2 layers to be legal...however shirts of 6+ layers are common also....usually they are quite small....like trying to put small shirt whne you wear XL or XXL....took Gene Raycheck 35 minutes to put on his bench shirt before he benched 1005.....its size was meant for a 5 yr old girl....but whatever....check...powerlifting thread for mroe discussion on this
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2005/04/03, 09:57 AM
One thing to remember is that a guy that benches 700 raw can not put on a shirt and all of a sudden get 1000, or for that matter even 50 more. These shirts are hard to get used to and take a lot of time training with them. Got to Deepsquatter.com and read some of the stuff there.
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2005/04/03, 07:21 PM
also check out www.inzernet.com
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2005/04/03, 08:06 PM
thanx everybody.. that clears everything regarding bench press shirt.. now i've got another question... why do u need a shirt to increase bench press... i mean why not use a machine of some kind to pick up the weight?.. or have someone pick up the weights along with u.. togather two people can pick more weight then single person wearing a shirt... whats the point?
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2005/04/03, 08:22 PM
well your not lifting the weight if a machine or people pull it for you. Some people perfer to bench raw but the shirt does have it's place. The shirt is also a valuable tool since it provides protection to the shoulder girdle and the pecs. The shirts are no magic bullet either you still need to work to get your bench press up there. They way a shirt works is. The shirt is made from a very dense layers of material. When the bar is lowered to the chest the shirt stretches. this creates stored energy kind of like a rubber band. When the lifter begins the upward movement of the bar. The stretch(energy is released) and helps to propel the bar upwards. Allowing the lifter to move a higher amount of weight.
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2005/04/03, 08:26 PM
correct me if i am wrong.. isn't it an external force helping u to lift more weight then u can originally lift.. i mean.. think about it.. if the same lifter cannot lift the same amount of weight without the shirt.. that means another force (shirt's explosive energy release behaviour) is helping the lifter :)
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2005/04/03, 08:28 PM
yes, thats is correct. Here is a good interview with the bench monster ryan kennelly
http://www.eclipse2000.com/bt_articles/kennelly_interview.html
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2005/04/03, 08:44 PM
oh thanx mmaibohm.. that cleared the question.. as they are more crucial to save a competitive benchpresser's shoulder joint and chest muscle health and longevity as compared to help him pick up the weight.. thanx a lot :)
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2005/04/03, 08:54 PM
your very welcome.
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2005/04/04, 03:54 AM
to untrained person the bench shirt obviously won't make a huge difference....but I think even an average athlete can expect results of upwards of 50 pounds....maybe closer to 20 for majority...but I still think most people will get something out of the shirt....
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2005/04/04, 06:04 AM
is it so that if a person is lifting 20-50 pounds more it'll increase their intensity? and they'll build more muscles? :)
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2005/04/04, 02:49 PM
it may help the nervious system get used to heavier loads.......but benching in a shirt all the time for "gains" is pointless.
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2005/04/04, 02:57 PM
Go to deepsquatter.com and read
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2005/04/04, 04:16 PM
hey mutt where on the site do they talk about bench shirts? is it part of the forum?
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2005/04/04, 04:26 PM
Look for any post involving bench also there are many archives with good articles. I get most of my stuff on shirts from reading these guys posts in their bench days. What I have found is that even with a shirt it takes months of real hard training to even get the bar to touch right and to press it. It really acts more of a protecter than a help though of course they do get help fromit. I am not a guy that promotes their use. I like it RAW! But that is me. There are many dozens of events that will let you lift the way you want...if you want to compete that is.
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2005/04/04, 05:00 PM
yeah that was what i was thinking.. IF the shirt makes u go stronger in benching then its worth going for.. otherwise its just a peice of equipment which helps in getting heavier load in a competition.. (though it takes a long time to get use to its use properly).. so for a person who is not going to compete.. its useless.. or am i wrong?
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2005/04/04, 05:53 PM
I used shirts more as a safety device when I competed, like a weight belt, or even a helmet for auto racing. I cycled my training with them the same way I did numerous other types of cycles. And, yes, they did help for overloads.
Of course, shirts were a little different back when I used them.
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2005/04/04, 05:59 PM
so all in all.. shirts are good for safety of joints and muscles doing BIG bench... and they shud be used primerily for safety.. until and unless u r going to compete right?
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2005/04/05, 07:27 PM
well comparing shirt to a belt is a bit wrong in my opinion....the shirt provides real results for those athletes that train with it...belt provides stability /compensates for weak core....I was reading a while ago that recent research suggests that belts may be counterproductive because they help keep core weaker....by removing some of the stress during exercise....I used belt twice in my life and realized it wasn't for me....I max out almost every training session in many of my lifts and I never have to resort to belts.....
.also on a sidee note.....do you guys know why I feel a lot more stress on my abs/core when doing squats then when I do deadlifts?
I mean it's rediculous....I feel more pressure with 300 less on squats then when I do deadlifts....I can't make sense of it....
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2005/04/05, 07:43 PM
Exactly my point, menace. I used a shirt for a similar reason as using a belt. My shoulders were no less weak than my abs, but they were both used to help keep things together. I did train with them periodically to get ready for a comp, but never really "used" them until I competed. Over using either one will lead to weaknesses, as you stated in regards to belts.
It makes sense for you to feel more on abs with squats than deads. Yes, your abs supports the spine for both, but the mechanism of function is different for each, requiring more support from the abs with squats than with deads.
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2005/04/05, 08:15 PM
thanks rev
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