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2005/05/01, 05:22 PM
how yall doing?
I've been lifting and training for a long time since highschool, I have now been in college for 1 year and Since I have turned 18 almost 1 year ago, I have seen amazing gains. My squat has gone up 70 pounds more than twice my body weight, bench 35 pounds, other lifts, my hang clean form is great I'm almost at my body weight, my 40 yard time has improved by one whole second, I'm in great shape. I have been doing all this training in hopes of walking on my college football team. I Went to their camp when I was in highschool and they said that if I came here that I should definitely come and try out, I have just managed to keep missing tryouts due to illness at the wrong times, but any how, I have talked with the defensive end coach and he completely remembered me and said he wants me to come out in the fall and just make sure I dont get sick, he also introduced me to the head strength and conditioning coach and they gave me a 3 week plan which I completed and now they will be mailing me my summer workout and conditioning program. For a good while I was having problems gaining muscle weight, but then I started eating alot more, taking weight gainer 2200 gold from GNC, mega whey extreme from GNC, and L-Arginine w/ L-orinithine, and I have gained about 3 lbs. of lean muscle in the past few months. When I went to turn in my workout logs last week, the head coach wasn't there so one of the sports nutritionists said I could weight in his office, and we talked about my diet and stuff like that, and he gave me this nutrition book on sports performance he wrote, and he told me that recommends that I take CREATINE MONOHYDRATE over the summer.
I have tried to avoid that supplement just because my doctor told me when I was 16 or 17 not to take it, but now I'm 18 and the info. that I have read says that it should be pretty safe for an 18 year old, almost 19. I don't know what would happen if I took that supplement with my extremely intense workouts and conditioning. I mean I have done great staying away from that stuff but Football season is right around the corner and I'm going to be playing for one of the best teams in the NCAA Division 1.
I don't know if I should take it?? If the benefits are high I will. What do yall think the effects of it would be on me with my workouts and other supplements? Can take creatine, plus the weight gainer, plus the protein shake, plus the arginine? What gains have yall seen or had from taking creatine already starting at an advanced training level??? The article says that you mostly stop growing at 18, but don't you grow until you're 21?? This past year alone I have gone from 6'3 to 6'4.
I want and need to be the best.
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2005/05/01, 06:14 PM
Unless you have some kind of condition that warrants no creatine, it would just help your stack. Under normal conditions, there are no adverse effects to creatine, even over the long haul. Consider this....
Kreider et. al. Long-term creatine supplementation does not significantly affect clinical markers of health in athletes Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry; Issue: Volume 244, Number 1 - 2, 2003.
Creatine has been reported to be an effective ergogenic aid for athletes. However, concerns have been raised regarding the long-term safety of creatine supplementation. This study examined the effects of long-term creatine supplementation on a 69-item panel of serum, whole blood, and urinary markers of clinical health status in athletes. Over a 21-month period, 98 Division IA college football players were administered in an open label manner creatine or non-creatine containing supplements following training sessions. Subjects who ingested creatine were administered 15.75 g/day of creatine monohydrate for 5 days and an average of 5 g/day thereafter in 5–10 g/day doses. Fasting blood and 24-h urine samples were collected at 0, 1, 1.5, 4, 6, 10, 12, 17, and 21 months of training. A comprehensive quantitative clinical chemistry panel was determined on serum and whole blood samples (metabolic markers, muscle and liver enzymes, electrolytes, lipid profiles, hematological markers, and lymphocytes). In addition, urine samples were quantitatively and qualitative analyzed to assess clinical status and renal function. At the end of the study, subjects were categorized into groups that did not take creatine (n = 44) and subjects who took creatine for 0–6 months (mean 4.4 1.8 months, n = 12), 7–12 months (mean 9.3 2.0 months, n = 25), and 12–21 months (mean 19.3 2.4 months, n = 17). Baseline and the subjects' final blood and urine samples were analyzed by MANOVA and 2 H 2 repeated measures ANOVA univariate tests. MANOVA revealed no significant differences (p = 0.51) among groups in the 54-item panel of quantitative blood and urine markers assessed. Univariate analysis revealed no clinically significant interactions among groups in markers of clinical status. In addition, no apparent differences were observed among groups in the 15-item panel of qualitative urine markers. Results indicate that long-term creatine supplementation (up to 21-months) does not appear to adversely effect markers of health status in athletes undergoing intense training in comparison to athletes who do not take creatine.
As another note, I would take the creatine over the L Arginine/Ornithine any day. If it comes down to dollars for instance. You want a pump with the arginine, well, so what? The pump has shown absolutely no evidence of inducing growth in any way, just makes you feel better for a while that you are bigger. There are tons of things that are vasolidators, creatine being one of them, but so many other benefits.
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