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2005/05/05, 02:32 PM
Everybody knows how the market is now-a-days, all these products have these outrageous claims and you never truly know which one to take until you have taken them all. I am wondering if anyone has knowledge of a very reliable anti estrogen and anti water retention product, preferably that doesn't cost an arm or leg.
I am have been into serious body building for 3 years now however I have never introduced myself into the anabolic world. Since I am a trainer I don't like there to be an area that I can't speak of with experience in doing it so I am trying testosterona enthate this summer. I need a reliable anti estrogen and anti water retention with it and would prefer not to take many chances with anti estrogen pills if you know what I mean.
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2005/05/05, 08:45 PM
6-oxo,Nolvex
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2005/05/05, 09:05 PM
Reserve the AI for after your cycle. With what you are doing, 6 oxo should probably do the trick for PCT by itself, along with Milk Thistle, and ZMA is always a good idea...but if at all worried, you can add Nolva. Do your PCT for the same time you do your cycle, unless it is unusually long. For instance, 4 week cycle, do 4 week PCT.
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2005/05/06, 10:35 AM
PCT? What is that?
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2005/05/06, 11:38 AM
Not being cynical, but if you do not know what that is, you really do not have much business doing anything resembling a PH or steroid.
That being said, it is post cycle therapy. What you are proposing to use is an injectable potent vetenary test prodcut. Are you sure you want to do this? You will ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE pct.
(or can you say bitch tits as a possibility, jewel shrinkinge(testicular atrophy?)
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/05/06, 11:38 AM
Not being cynical, but if you do not know what that is, you really do not have much business doing anything resembling a PH or steroid.
That being said, it is post cycle therapy. What you are proposing to use is an injectable potent vetenary test prodcut. Are you sure you want to do this? You will ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE pct.
(or can you say bitch tits as a possibility, jewel shrinkinge(testicular atrophy?)
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/05/06, 02:09 PM
Hmm not sure what the purpose of posting twice of the same message in the same post is, but oh well. I am well aware of all of the possible side effects of this product. Gynecomestia is not as common as people make it out to be. "Jewel shrinkage" only occurs while on a cycle and they return to normal a few weeks after going off the cycle. I am aware of what to do after a cycle, I had never seen PCT as the a term before that is why I asked. I have done my homework for 2 years bb1fit, now I am checking over that homework on this and other forums. I find it funny when people like you overrun the boards and try to act like they are the smartest person around. Believe it or not, we are not all lesser beings waiting to be enlightened by your knowledge.
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2005/05/06, 02:28 PM
erebus, BB1 has helped more people than you can imagine. He is a sterling example of selflessness, altruism , and knowlege. He shares what he knows freely and in case you didn't know without pay. Your remarks are totally uncalled for. FT would has done fine without you and will continue to do fine if you leave. If you can't behave maybe you sholud just go.
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Charlie
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2005/05/06, 02:56 PM
erebus, every morning I get up and have the pleasure of my husbands knowledge and with out him I WOULD BE A OBESE FAT LAZY DIABETIC. I donot have to take the needle anymore and there are no meds from the doctor in my cabinets. I thank god everyday for him coming into my life. This board is here to help people just like my self and you can take his knowledge and use or throw it away, that is a chioce. I myself would never listen to a rude person such as yourself because just by reading this post, you are the one that seems to think you know it all.
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2005/05/06, 03:03 PM
erebus=Cbas
Yeah you have done your homework so far all your posts are full of holes...attacking BB is not gonna work bud...sorry but all of us here have way toomuch respect for him. Charilie is right maybe the best thing to do is leave...
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2005/05/06, 04:07 PM
I second that notion! Long live bb1! :)
In case I never mentioned it before, thanks for all the great free advice you have ever given me bb1, it has helped me a bunch.
erebus, get off your trip and listen to some sound advice.... Plus natural is definitely the best way to go!
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2005/05/06, 07:10 PM
My only contention is simply this...you say you have done your homework for 2 yrs!! It must not have been very much homework, or you would have known what PCT was.
Trying to overrun a board, don't think so.....you were the one who asked what to do. I will re-iterate, if you do not know this, if you have not planned, then you surely have not done your "homework" as you put it. And if you think Gynecomestia is "rare" from doing steroids, you have another thing coming. Get on some of the other boards and find out how some of them have gotten this without proper pct, and are now crying.
Do what you want, just know the risks and consequences. We all say "it won't happen to me".
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2005/05/07, 04:01 PM
I agree with my buds, BB, Mutt, charlie826 and sbroyhill. These guys have help me get to where I am.
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2005/05/07, 06:00 PM
I have only helped you as much as you have helped yourself :)
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2005/05/07, 07:07 PM
Why? WHY? Why? Don't we just ban this guy!
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada
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2005/05/07, 07:12 PM
Ban who!?!?!?! (Hope it isnt me......) :(
I promise I will play good from now on! Please don't ban me!
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2005/05/07, 07:12 PM
Ban who!?!?!?! (Hope it isnt me......) :(
I promise I will play good from now on! Please don't ban me!
:love::love::love::love::love:
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2005/05/07, 07:13 PM
OOPS! Double post lol
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2005/05/07, 07:26 PM
erebus although bb1 replied very pointedly to you..he did it for a very good reason...it's a very common term used by every single forum I ever visited that discussed the subject of steroids and prohormones......steroids/prohormones are very dangerous....more than you probably can imagine......I don't care about the bs I see on tv.....i am not preaching abstinence....everyone makes their own decisions.....however you need all the knowledge in the world before using any of this stuff...to maximize the benefits and minimize the very many serious side effects...
the PCT will largely depend on the length of the cycle....it might be possible not to have one if you only do it for like a week or two...and even then it's recommended that you still do it...if you don't do the PCT after 6-8 week cycle you'll regret it....if you think your natural test production will recover 'anyway' in 3 weeks then you're setting yourself up for a big disappointment.....do yourself a favor and before pretending like you know everything do some more research....(also you're very likely to lose most of your gains without pct)
The reason he doubleposted is because he probably double clicked the post button or lcicked Back and post accidently...it happens quite often and it's unintentional...
Better safe than sorry is a saying that goes very well with steroids/prohormones....if you choose to go into this area...then you may as well take as many precautions as possible...many things can only be corrected with plastic surgery or some never at all...if you mess up your liver, your heart, or whatever else...it will be too late....
Don't get mad, don't huff and puff...take this advice in stride....ignorance is bliss...but not when it comes to an area like this....
go to forums like www.steroidology.com or www.elitefitness.com, or www.powermagonline.com...I am sure you'll find many others or have seen others...
I don't think you should 'leave' you can learn a lot from this site....and I think you can help others also....we all have 'holes' in our knowledge, fall victim to myths, and are often ignorant on many aspects...this is the reason for places like this.....
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2005/05/08, 09:29 AM
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I have only helped you as much as you have helped yourself :)
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