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2005/05/13, 02:46 PM
wat is the best workout for like a street fight or something? wat should i concentrate on etc? right now im doin
week 1: core-lifts-3x3
aux-5x3
week 2: core-5x3x1
aux-7x5x3
week 3: core-7x5x3
aux-8x6x6
week 4: core-10x8x8
aux-10x8x8
on mon and thurs i do chest, and arms (tris, bis and 4arms)
and on tues and fri i do back, shoulders, and legs.
my core lift on mon and thurs is bench. aux if like inc bench or flyes, then curls and either concentration curls or preacher curls, 1-2 forarm exercises and a tri exercise. on tues and friday, my core lifts are squats and power clean, my aux lifts are either dead lift or lat pull down, for shoulders i do military press and either shrugs or raisin a dumbell up by ur side(dont no wat it is called) and for legs my aux is either leg ext or leg curl and calf raises.
i do 1 main lift 2x times a week for each muscle and 2 aux lifts (1 on the first day and the other on the second day).
i go as hard as i can go, and rest around 20 seconds in between sets.
how does this look?
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2005/05/14, 02:47 AM
STUPID. Just because if you were strong doesn't make you a good fighter especially in the street. And why are you looking for a fight, "If you go looking for trouble, trouble might just find you."
Wise up.
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2005/05/14, 03:13 AM
its true dont go looking for trouble and trouble wont find you, but its also very wise to be alert ready and prepared for such an occasion. also in a street fight MASS has nothing to do with it. it aint the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog. if a 300 pound body builder got in a fight hed prolly pull a muscle before anything else. sure as hell if he did manage to hit you your head would prolly go to the other side of the world... but fighting is all about speed and technique, you dont need any more then 30 pounds of pressure to break an elbow.. a knee or even a jaw fuck there main movements up they cant do shit, imagine u breaking a 300 pound body builders knees how hard hed fall and fuck that leg/knee rite up, compare that to a guy half the weight with more agility, sure im not syaing its bad to workout in a fight but try going for more strength exercises, work on agility, flexibility, endurance, core exercises are good, deadlifts squats cleans all good, but yuo dont see many fights where you do actually bench press a person, fight smart, fight fast,
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2005/05/14, 03:18 AM
train with kettle balls... barrels... do a full strength workout hell train for a strong man competition... run with sleds on ur back.. then switch it up and do the complete opposite do side step running.. short sprints long springs endurance running... CONFUSE UR BODY and never let it know wats happening cuz in a fight u never know wats to happen and thats the beauty to be prepared for.. the unprepared
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2005/05/14, 03:42 AM
The best advice is never look for a fight and look for ways to avoid a fight....it's better to look like a wimp then get your head bashed in...and if it's a pretty bad neighborhood you never know whehter the person has a knife or a gun or whatever else....or he might be in a gang and will get even with you later when he runs into you again with his gang members....
weight training does very little for actual fighting....martial arts is best for that....people have misconceptions about weight training...yes it can make you look powerful and imposing and perhaps make you more pwoerful when u throw ur punches, but technique is key....use weight training to look like a tough guy so no1 will want to mess with u....but without the attitude....plus just be cool with everyone...etc....
in a street fight anything goes so keep that in mind....to subdue the other guy....you can kick him in the groin, go for knee caps, throat, side of the head, top of the face, especially bridge fo the nose,side of the ribs......but i'd stick to avoiding fights as much as possible...
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2005/05/14, 04:37 PM
I agree with the "don't look for trouble" statements so I won't repeat more of the same!
man_of_steel: With fighting/boxing/punching larger mass although more powerful can serve to slow you down. If you look at some of the best martial arts competators they're not large. They are fit, slim and FAST!! In relation to controlled matches (as I don't like the theory of street fighting personally) it's a game that requires great focus and speed. Not to mention experience. 2 or 3 quick contact hits will be far more effective than not being able to land one heavy contact becuase you're slower than your competator.
Just my 2-bits.
E.
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2005/05/14, 07:59 PM
if u want stronger bunches man of steel, try some speed benches.. or front shoulder raises, a bench will maybe give u a strong punch but its pointless if u aint got speed to pull that arm back after u hit him.. and to pull back quick u need that agility speed and back muscle.. wat if u thru ur hardest punch as a body builder? and miss? try it rite now ok hit thin air as if u where hittin someone u really hated and tell me wot happens to ur rotary cuff, a strong punch isnt everything in a fight
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2005/05/14, 08:51 PM
size of the fight in the dog?....yeah thats why toy poodles beat up on pit bulls.
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2005/05/14, 09:08 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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2005/05/14, 09:18 PM
thoose darn toy poodles attacked my shar-pei. She has been scared mentally for life!! my pit usually just runs and hides lol
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2005/05/14, 11:13 PM
Ok but back to case in point.......
"Street fighting" is like a video game or like in the moves. One person don't beat the crap outta 5 guys and walk away like jackie chang or jet lei........with not even a bruse.
GEt real man this is the real world.....if its really a rough neighborhood.......yoru not fighting with one person.......you have to fight them and their boys.
So i'm confused why you'd be this stupid to ask a question like this......this is the real world........brandon lee can't out punch a gun. What makes you think you can?
maybe if you do get the hell beat outta you maybe you get some sense knocked into you!
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2005/05/19, 04:00 PM
:surprised:
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2005/05/19, 04:32 PM
maybe he wants bigger muscles just in case someone does try 2 attack him in the street, maybe a mugger or somit? or someone with a knife..
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2005/05/21, 01:29 PM
nobody gives a damn how many muscles you have or how good ur definition is.
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2005/05/21, 06:28 PM
i meant, so he can become STRONGER and bigger in order to defend himself incase of an attack like that. So he can have the advantage. Also...a normal mugger or someone probably isnt gonna wanna attack someone who is twice their size...think about it..
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2005/05/21, 06:31 PM
a knief or gun equalizes that "size" differance. IN the end, muscle is muscle bone is bone. You get shot or cut bad, your gonna go down no mater your size.
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2005/05/21, 07:09 PM
indeed....karate died when guns were invented
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2005/05/21, 08:17 PM
Have you tried punching with five or ten pound dumbbells in your hand try four sets of 15 to 20 reps as fast as you can,work your forearms real good that will increase your punching power,punching in to a barrel of sand will toughen up your wrist and hands.:angry:
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2005/05/21, 10:48 PM
then the guy gets pissed...pulls out a gun and you're 6 feet under......but at least u got hands of steel
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2005/05/22, 04:51 AM
then buy a gun
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2005/05/22, 05:17 AM
great.....he'll get $hit from the cops...and he'll stand out so that some bada$$ people will really wanna mess with him....
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2005/05/22, 10:03 AM
guns like fighting don't solve anything.......
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2005/05/22, 02:40 PM
chulla..........thast the worst advise
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2005/05/22, 04:58 PM
Lol I agree with andrew. You can be as big as you want and still get beat into the ground. Scott Mendelson might be able to bench press 1000 lbs but I could be a 90lb crack head and still kill him with a gun. I once knew a street fighter at a rehab I was put into when I was 12. He could probably beat anyone in that rehab and to be honest be wasn't too big. Just because your big doesn't mean you can beat someone in a fight, if you get to were you can bench 400 lbs, that doesn't automatically give you the brain of how to fight.. My best advice to stay out of a fight in a rough neighborhood, is 1) don't start anything with anybody, 2) don't act like Mr. bad ass because your big, 3) don't go walking around in the middle of the night. People aren't going to gang up on you that much in broad day light, but if your out in the middle of the night and your alone, your kind of asking for it.. Maybe you should go start a fight with a skronny black guy, then he'll show you that it doesn't matter how big you are you'll still get your ass beat. That would probaly get some since in to your head and make you understand not to 1) look for a fight, and 2) know that muscles don't make you be able to fight.
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2005/05/22, 05:01 PM
:)Forgot to add, chulla kind of sounds like a 13 year old white boy that wants to act like he's a bad ass and thinks he knows how to fight. I can see him posting this same question 1 week later because he had just got beat in the ground. :)
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2005/05/22, 06:22 PM
I grew up for 20 years in a "rough" neighborhood. How many fights did I get into? 0. So yes it is possible to go through life living in a rough area and walking away from a fight.
I walked away from plenty that could have gotting bad, you just have to know when to keep your mouth shut in order to avoid a fight.
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2005/05/22, 06:51 PM
because thats part of being a man... (quote from Chulla)
Not being sexist or anything, but your a woman, or atleast that was is said on your profile when I read it.
Also, a boxing instructor may have told you all this, but is he a boxer? I doubt it. You advice on strengthening your shoulders for stronger punches was bad advice if you want to get in that subject. Your triceps is the main muscle used for punches, if you build up your shoulders that will keep the movement of your triceps from being quickened.
Also, you can have the strongest punch in the world and it's not going to matter. All it takes is 2 guys against 1 and your strong punches aren't going to do a whole lot against them.
I agree with sbroyhill about you can live in a rough neighborhood and not get in a fight. When I was 1-14 years old I lived in a nieghborhood that was surrounded by meth labs. I was a meth dealer at that time and I did many drug deals. Everybody knows that there are always fights between dealers, did I ever get in one? No.
From 14 years old to now, I live in Chattanooga, TN right by Martin Luther king road. I'm white so that makes a problem. Martin Luther king road is connected to the projects and there are a lot of black people that don't care too much for white people here. That is why I said stay inside at night in my last post. I can go outside all I want in the day and never have problems, I have lived here 3 years and never had to get in a fight. I see them everyday just about, but I have never had to get in one.
When you said, would you let someone disrespect you or embarass you? People disrespect you everyday, that's a part of life. Your never going to get away from people making fun of you, embarassing you, etc. Does that mean you should start a fight with them? No. Believe it or not, someone may disrespect you, but if you do nothing they're not going to start a fight with you for no reason. The only reason someone will start a fight with you is if your 1) bothering them or one of there friends, 2) if your acting all big and bad then some people will wont to fight you for just that. If you don't do that you wont get in a fight.
Back to when you said "because that's part of being a man". Being a man is not being able to beat the shit out of someone. Answer this question, who is the majority of people that get into fights? Teenagers. Why do they get into fights? Not because they're the only people that talk shit, because they're the only people that don't know how to deal with it. Adults talk just as much shit as teenagers, but they aren't going to go get a fight over it. Fighting is just showing a lack of maturity. It's basically showing that you have nothing better to do so you start throwing your fists around, it's like monkeys if you watch them at the zoo.
Have I ever gotten into a fight that I did not start. Yes. I was never directly involved though, it was always cause one of my friends started one and I was keeping them from getting hurt. I know if I have lived in the neighborhoods and done the things I have done on a daily basis and not gotten in to a fight, I know that anyone can do the same.
Why you are getting mad chulla I do not know. On this board everyone is not going to always agree with you. If you storm off and throw a tantrum everytime someone disagrees with you, then fortunately I know you wont be staying around too long. The purpose of this board is to learn, bb1fit is probably the wisest person on this board and he will always still take constructive critisism because he knows that nobody knows everything, including him. Don't come on this board and act like you know everything and get pissed off when people correct you. Some of us have lived this life in "rougher neighborhoods" for a long time, and we know what we are talking about.
When andrew said your advice was bad, you may have gotten the workout part right on how to increase your punches. However, if you tell someone that doesn't know much about fighting that, they will think that they can fight very well . Then they'll go and try to start fights and they will quickly be humbled and find out that they don't know how to fight. The best advice you could have given is advice on how to stay away from fights. I do agree with you that the bigger you are the less people will try to fight you. Someone will mug a 90lb crack head before they do a 200lb body builder, but 200lb bodybuilders still get in fights or people still want to fight them. The best thing is not go were you know a fight is going to be, because then your just going to be asking for it. That's why I thought your advice was bad.
But don't get so angry chulla, I know I have been wrong many times on this board when I have posted my advice, and I will admit it. Perhaps you should realize that sometimes you are going to be wrong too.
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2005/05/22, 06:52 PM
Oh almost forgot. Call me a "geek" all you want, :)I've definately been called worse.
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2005/05/22, 10:17 PM
awsome post dvelswk........nice to hear from a fellow tennesseean.......
"Back to when you said "because that's part of being a man". Being a man is not being able to beat the shit out of someone. Answer this question, who is the majority of people that get into fights? Teenagers. Why do they get into fights? Not because they're the only people that talk shit, because they're the only people that don't know how to deal with it. Adults talk just as much shit as teenagers, but they aren't going to go get a fight over it. Fighting is just showing a lack of maturity. It's basically showing that you have nothing better to do so you start throwing your fists around, it's like monkeys if you watch them at the zoo. "
thats true wisdom
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2005/05/23, 03:11 AM
you guys crack me up with this pointless discussion....yet I'll continue it...lol....hypocritical indeed
being a man is knowing when to walk away...obviously there's a line if someone starts harassing you....there will be a point when you'll ahve to cross that line...but I can't see 99.9% of the time it's happening...who's gonna spit in your face, take your stuff, or do something for no reason? just need to treat others with respect and be humble....
obviously circumstances are different for everyone so living in a bad neighborhood is unavoidable for some people...but I mean you can still take precautions to avoid crazy stuff....don't go walking aorund bad parts of city(neighborhood) late at night...if you bump someone apologize...you see a group of people gathered who could be a gang, cross the street...etc...basic things...
Punching power comes from Hips, core, triceps...don't know what you plan to do with your legs...
And being big does prevent most fights...ever since I got bigger no1 starts anything with me ...granted i live ina good/decent neighborhood but still...I got hassled as a kid...when someone bumps into me(in a bus, club, etc) and apologizes....I reply 'it's all good'....I try to be cool with everyone.....I know I am big(muscular compared to most people) but I don't act like I am big....so that no1 has a reason to mess with me....if some1 asks me something I respond to them with no attitude...etc....just basic stuff...
christ...only people with attitude/emotional problems get into fights....one of my friends always manages to get into some stupid confrontations...and he's a small guy 5'7 140....always escalates stuff...and this is at my preppy college....(sometimes it's funny when he gets people to back down tellign them he's an ex special russian forces soldier)....but at other times it's outright scary when he messes with some big black dude....eh....all I know is I never get into any confrontations...cuz if I know I did soemthign I apologize...
Being a man is ability to walk away from stupid situatiosn that escalate to fights...and/or apologize promptly after something happens....
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2005/05/23, 09:59 AM
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Quoting from chulla711:
that's all fine and dandy... but, there are situations where you SHOULDNT walk away even if you can...
because thats part of being a man...
would you let someone disrespect you in front of your girl? would you let someone embarass you in front of a group of people? would you let someone steal something from you? smack you? spit on you?
no? oh, ok then...
my advice is fine.
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This has got to be the most idiotic response ever- a quality response from a 12 year old. Yes you can walk away. Because yes- this makes you the bigger man. I say this because by walking away it shows you have more discipline and respect. They teach the same core principles in the marines- which I served 4 years. So don't even think about not calling me a man little boy.
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2005/05/23, 10:16 AM
Ok as of now this post ends! Any more posts will be deleted. thanks!
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2005/05/23, 12:34 PM
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2005/05/23, 12:43 PM
chulla711 I asked you to refrain from posting here again as everyone. You seem more than the others to want to start a fight each time you post. No more warnings. Next time we have issues you will be removed from the site.
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