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2005/05/28, 01:53 PM
In its most basic principle, to bulk is to take in more calories than one expends. However, I am aware this is bulking at it most elementary level of understanding. There is, of course, a science behind bulking, an art if you will. For example the right kinds and amounts of macronutrients must be taken into consideration. One can not just eat fast food all day and expect to gain quality mass. ( By the way, I am aware that most of this has been discussed before on this site and am, in no way, trying to act as if I am enlightening you, at least most of you, with basic information that might not be so basic. I am merely reiterating this information and ultimately using it as a preface to my question.) I am aware of the different ratios of carbs/protein/fats and know how to manipulate this for the desired effect. Another aspect of bulking is meal timing. Generally, people will speak of 6 meals evenly spaced out in a day. There is however, of course, room for improvisation, i.e. a person could have 5 meals or seven meals, whatever works for you. My question is as follows: if I am on a bulking cycle what is the maximum estimated amount of calories I would be able to handle in one meal, i.e. the body can not handle an exorbitant amount of calories and would just convert the excess calories to fat. My current weight is 175lbs and I am 23 years old and 5-11 in height. Currently, I am looking to take in roughly 3100 calories per day as I determined my maintence calories to be 2800. This would be roughly 500 cal per meal if I were having 6 meals per day. I believe my body could handle this amount, but as I progressively raise my calories in my bulking cycle my meals will have to get bigger or I will have to add more meals. Is there any way to determine how many calories I can take in and process per meal or is that something I have to find out through trial and error? If you actually made it through reading this whole topic I would appreciate any input if you have any energy left.
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2005/05/28, 02:12 PM
The basic idea is to first find your maintenance calories. Any "scientific" bulking must stem from this basis. A need to increase calories(daily caloric intake) over this amount is utmost for gaining. The amount you choose to go above and the rapidity of which you do this is imparitive to your speed of progress. Too much too fast will no doubt result in more rapid fat gain, however, too little usually demoralizes folks because it is so very slow. As to the first point, this is of utmost importance for starting. If you raise calories too fast, especially coming off dieting, your body is primed for fat storage, and will immediately store excess calories as fat in anticipation of being starved again. For instance, I just came off a hardcore low calorie comp diet last week. Now, if I had immediately gone hypercaloric, there would have been an immediate fat storage. So, speed at which you raise your calories is as important as the amount you raise your calories.
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2005/05/28, 05:31 PM
I understand that bb1 and by the way thanks for replying so quickly as I find all this stuff fascinating. I know my maintence is 2800 at my current weight of 175 and I know I only want to add a few extra calories at a time so as not to "overwhelm" my system and that is why I am raising my calories to 3100, only a 300 cal increase. What I wanted to know is the caloric intake per meal, i.e. I can not have 3 meals of 1000 calories because that is too many calories per one meal and that will ultimately slow my metabolism down and result in fat gain. So I guess what I am asking, and I am sorry if I am not being clear, is how do I determine if I am overeating during a given meal as I progress in my bulk. For instance if and when I increase to 3800 cal per day thats 3800 divided by six meals. Thats over 600 calories per meal. Would that be too much for me, or anyone for that matter, and should I therefore have seven meals instead of six so my body could better handle this caloric increase??
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2005/05/28, 05:59 PM
If you are eating only 3 meals per day, in order to get the amount of calories you are stating will take overeating. You must spread them out. You know the right thing, you said so yourself in your post....your metabolism will slow and actually learn to store fat.
Upping it to 6 meals as you state later in your post should make it easy. Try to not overthink too much about the "numbers", like 500 calories per meal. This is actuallye easily done, and not at all too much if your energy expenditure requires it. For the average couch potato, this may be so, but if your body can use it, it will.
If you figure 300 calories or so for your post workout shake, then your other meals will drop in calorie range. 2 scoops of protein for instance, averaging 23 gr., 110 calories each, and 30-40 gr. each of dextrose and maltodextrin, and there is another 200 calories.
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2005/05/28, 08:03 PM
another reason wjhy you need to eat smaller meals a day each every 3 hours is because by doing so your body has what it needs to create as much protein as it can in order to build muscle. Eating only 3 meals limits your body protein production
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2005/05/28, 08:44 PM
Your body does not produce protein....it is to keep your body from resorting to existing muscle for needed amino acids. Protein cannot be stored, unlike carbs and fat. So a constant supply is needed to spare protein and enhance protein synthesis.
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2005/05/28, 09:24 PM
bb1 you mentioned my PW shake consisting of whey/malto/dextrose. I currently do this combination, however I mix the malto/dextrose with my myoplex deluxe protein which is an MRP. Would you suggest using regular, plain whey with the malto/dextrose rather than the the myoplex deluxe?
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2005/05/28, 09:36 PM
The myoplex already includes a malto/dextose. Why add additional? I think if you take the myoplex RTD you have no need to add in any additional malto/dextrose.
But those RTD's are very expensive, I would recommend making your own shake so you can mix it to your requirements, plus save a lot of bucks.
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2005/05/28, 09:43 PM
A plain whey isolate would be your best bet, or a blend of isolate/hydrolosate even better. Avoid a blend of casein for instance at this time.
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2005/05/28, 10:06 PM
Makes sense bb1. Sbroyhill I was taking the myoplex deluxe powder packets, not the RTDS. The powder does not contain any dextrose, only whole grain carbs. Thanks guys.
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2005/05/28, 10:47 PM
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Quoting from bb1fit:
Your body does not produce protein....it is to keep your body from resorting to existing muscle for needed amino acids. Protein cannot be stored, unlike carbs and fat. So a constant supply is needed to spare protein and enhance protein synthesis.
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I am sorry, i really confused what happends: your body doesnt produce protein. I just couldnt find the words to explain it.
What you said is what i was trying to say. I am terribly sorry
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2005/05/29, 09:03 AM
Kakaroto....there is no need to apologize. I think most knew what you meant. I was simply trying to clarify for folks who could not read between the lines so to speak. Many newbies for instance take the written word completly literally. :)
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Quoting from kakaroto:
I am sorry, i really confused what happends: your body doesnt produce protein. I just couldnt find the words to explain it.
What you said is what i was trying to say. I am terribly sorry
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2005/05/29, 12:28 PM
Sorry I meant MRPs not RTDs. If you check the ingrediants, one of the main ingrediants is Malto/Dextrose. I use to use the stuff all the time- very knowledgable in EAS products :)
Myoplex Vanilla Cream Ingredients: MyoPro® (unique blend of whey-protein concentrate from specially filtered and ion-exchanged whey protein, calcium caseinate, milk-protein isolate, taurine, L-glutamine, sodium caseinate, egg albumin, and calcium alpha-ketoglutarate ), maltodextrin..... Emphasis on the maltodextrin :)
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2005/05/29, 12:55 PM
sbroyhill I am looking at the ingredients for Vanilla Cream as I type and there is no dextrose or taurine. I am talking about Myoplex Deluxe packets. Maltodextrin and detxrose are two different things. I could not determine from your post if you were aware of that.
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2005/05/29, 03:56 PM
Much better to use your own protein, dex and malto, as you need to taper the drink to your individual needs. With a ready made mix you cannot do this, and you really don't want the milk protein and calcium caseinate at this time anyway. (immediately post workout)
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2005/05/29, 05:44 PM
What are the benefits of taking Malto/Dextrose?
Does it just speed the process of getting protein into your muscles?
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2005/05/29, 06:59 PM
I typed in the ingrediants right off of my package for Myoplex (I still have quite a few left.....). Trust me it already has the things me and bb1 stated. I would definitely make your own mix, following the instructions bb1 has given.
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2005/05/30, 12:58 PM
sbroyhill, possibly a reason for the discrepancy on the ingredients of MYOPLEX DELUXE packets is because I have the " New Formula." Anyway it's a moot point. I do mix my own malto/dextrose combo into my PW shake currently. However I am going to take bb1's advice and just mix the malto/dextrose combo with a regular whey protein as oppose to my Myoplex Deluxe.
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2005/05/30, 04:00 PM
This really is the best option at this point of time, immediately post workout. You want a fast absorbing protein, and nothing to slow it down. A good whey isolate is normally best, if you can get some hydrolosate in there, even better. A concentrate is not quite as good, but acceptible.
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