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2005/07/16, 11:12 PM
Yeah, I know what your thinking, who would want to specialize in squatting when you could just bench press 16 times a week? Well, me for one. I'm a combat athlete first, and so benching has always taken a back seat to posterior chain development and upper back pulling exercises. However, since I broke my collarbone (second time) my squat hasn't been where it should. I couldnt squat for 4 months, and so I regressed. Now, my squat is feeling great again, but naturally, I want more. What I'm considering doing, is when I go to college in september, for the first month or 2, dropping the grappling and rock climbing, and letting go of my current routine (a modified westside routine which is working very well) and taking part in the russian smolov squat specialization routine. This is a plan where basicly you squat, squat, and squat. 4 times a week, 2* per day, with short, brutally hard workouts. Its designed to quickly adapt the body to higher volume, and then drasticly increase the squat.
However, it obviously neglects upper body training. I was wondering what you guys thought about this. Now I am an athlete first, a powerlifter second, so I am worried about neglecting this important aspect of training. i am considering low volume upper sessions, keeping the rock climbing but dropping it to one session per week, or perhaps even doing bodyweight calisthenics ala pavel tsatsouline style to make up for this... or, dropping upper training entirely for a month or 2. Let the discussion begin.
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The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
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2005/07/16, 11:30 PM
http://www.ontariostrongman.ca/Resources/training/smolovsquatcycle.htm
theres the program in full
Basicly, its a monday wednesday friday saturday routine.
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2005/07/17, 11:11 PM
Wrestling. I actually have suffered through breaking my right collarbone twice and dislocated my left shoulder once. The first time I was trying a standing triangle lock and slipped, in a practice. The second time I took a horrible shot and the kid fell on me the wrong way. He outweighed me, but I've heard it doesnt take much to snap a clavicle. The second one kept me from squatting for over 4 months out of pain, and even then I had to squat light and use a pad and an extra shirt. I could bench and do other things after ab 3 months.
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2005/07/18, 12:54 AM
Be very careful not to develop patellar tendonitis on this workout plan.
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2005/07/18, 08:05 PM
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Quoting from gatormade:
Be very careful not to develop patellar tendonitis on this workout plan.
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Yeah, that was one of my worries. im going from a modified westside routine squatting twice a week to squatting 4 times per week.
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2005/07/18, 08:09 PM
anyways, here were a couple of the ideas I had for incorporating upper body work into this.
1. Eliminating my upper body work and hoping that my body responds positively to the squatting and I dont lose too much on my benching.
2. Doing upper body supplementary work after my squat work.
3. Breaking 2 of the days, wednesday and saturday, into 2 a day workouts, upper in AM and squatting in PM.
4. Using overhead squats in place of regular squats, in order to work my upper body.
5. Warming up for my workouts using an abbreviated upperbody routine, probably just weighted chin ups and some form of press.
6. Continuing to rock climb 1 day per week.
What do you guys think about this and any other suggestions???
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The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
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2005/07/20, 10:48 PM
also i am planning on dropping my lower body workouts the week before this and totally overworking my upper body before i start this routine, sort of like peaking for competition, (in my case a tournament, where i destroy my body for a month but then take the week beforehand easy).
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2005/07/25, 11:04 PM
OK, so here’s the deal. I’ve decided to include my upper body work in the smolov squat routine by doing them in my warm up. I will do some bodyweight chins, something easy like 3*12, or one of the back routines I’ve picked up from wrestling and climbing, alternating 3*12, frenchies, the renzo gracie upper back workout, and climber’s pull ups. Also, I may do the long pulls that Smolov recommends to warm up with. They are called something weird, but their pretty much a snatch but without the dip in your legs to catch.
Ill post my workouts and results here for anyone that is interested…
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The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
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2005/07/25, 11:06 PM
Ok, today was Monday, so it was squat day. I only squat once per week, my other leg day being centered around overhead squats, and power cleans or deadlifts. I did 10*3 with 85% of my 1RM, 200. I am squatting 235 right now at 135 pounds bodyweight. That was my morning workout.
I am trying to get my body used to higher volume with squatting, so I did a strength-endurance workout, basicly 10*2 with 185, but with only 45 seconds in between sets. This was a workout, as I am used to longer rest periods, but my goal is to get to 10*2 with 185 with only 20 seconds TBS.
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The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
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2005/07/26, 12:01 AM
heres the article that my strength-endurance workout i did was modeled after:
Staying Power
How to use Strength-Endurance
Training to be Stronger… Longer
by Matt Wiggins
There's one question I can't stand hearing and it's "How much can you bench?"
If I had a quarter for every time I've heard that damn question, I could quit my job. Either that or stay parked in front of a pinball machine for 16 years. Virtually any trainee (male trainees, at least) that's ever set his fungal ridden foot in a gym or even remotely looks like he trains, has been asked this question — and probably more than once.
Generally, when discussing training goals, strength is one of those things that’s lumped with money, love, sex, or intelligence — you can never have enough of it. And most times, this is true — especially if you’re an athlete.
I don’t care what anybody says (because, believe it or not, I have seen it argued the other way), if you’re comparing two athletes of similar size, skill, and experience, then the stronger one has a distinct advantage. Even if you’re not an athlete, training for strength has its many advantages, be it making you healthier, making daily "chores" (such as mowing the lawn, shoveling snow, washing your car, etc.) easier, leading to a better looking body for the opposite sex, or anything in between.
More often than not, when a trainee begins a strength training routine, he’ll usually follow the tried and true idea of lifting heavy weights for low reps with a good deal of rest time (both between workouts and during the workout itself). Programs such as these are generally geared toward the trainee who wants to increase brute (limit) strength. The result of programs such as these is generally increased 1RMs (one rep maximums) in any given exercise(s).
That's all well and good, but there's a slight problem. Most trainees that train for strength aren’t necessarily in need of strength. What they are in need of, is strength-endurance. The problem with programs that focus on increasing your 1RM is that, sooner or later, you're going to need to exert that strength for longer than the time it takes to do one rep.
If you take a look at virtually any activity in which increased strength would be beneficial, you’ll notice that for that increased strength to be beneficial, you’d have to be able to take advantage of that strength over an extended period of time. Let’s take a look at a few sports first:
Baseball: Unless you think you’re going to hit a home run on the first pitch every time up, or that you can take 4-5 minutes rest between pitches, you’d better be ready to swing not only hard, but often.
Football: Plays generally last 30-45 seconds with rest periods of approximately the same (or maybe a little longer). You need to exert as much strength as possible during the entire play, every play.
Hockey: Activity may last up to 5-6 minutes (or more) without stopping. You'll more than likely be interspersing short, quick bursts with slower, less intense ones. You need to be able to "tap" that strength reserve at any time — and have full use of it.
Boxing/Martial Arts: Many of the same demands of hockey (if not more so) are needed here. Depending on the style of match or fight, you may have to go multiple rounds of a few minutes in duration or may just compete non-stop until there is a winner. You need to be able to utilize as much of your strength as possible at any time.
Apply these same ideas to anything you might do in daily life, be it the examples I've given, or activities as simple as bringing in the groceries, re-arranging your living room, carrying a heavy backpack, or carrying a naked cocktail waitress over your head. Unless you can complete your activity in around 10-20 seconds, you'll be dependant on strength-endurance more than you will brute (limit) strength.
Now, you might be saying, "But Wiggy, it sounds to me like you’re talking about cardio or conditioning training." To a large extent, you’re right. But, that's because good conditioning and good strength-endurance go hand in hand.
Hell, I’ve seen plenty of lifters in my day who had good 1RMs and could ride the stationary bike forever. But get them in a real world situation like some manual labor or some sort of "pick-up" game, and you find that their strength quickly goes out the window.
Don’t believe me? Check out what Dave Tate of Westside Barbell fame recently stated in T-mag #264 about powerlifters (who you’d think would have little to no need for strength-endurance or conditioning): "If you think you can excel in any sport without a base level of conditioning, you're out of your mind. The days of over-fat, bloated, can’t breathe, can’t sleep powerlifters are over!"
The reason for this lies in the trainee’s style of training. The ever-popular S.A.I.D. (Specific Adaptations to Imposed Demands) principle tells us that our bodies will adapt to, and prepare for, the stresses placed specifically upon it. Or in other words, if you consistently train with low reps, heavy weights, with a lot of rest time, your body will adapt by being strong for one short burst, but will then require a decent rest period. As was discussed above, this isn’t that useful in athletics or everyday life! What's needed is strength-endurance, or the ability to be strong over an extended period of time.
Tradition tell us that to train for endurance, we need to use sets of higher reps with lower weight.
WRONG!!!
If we're looking for increased strength endurance, then we want to be as strong as possible for as long as possible. So, instead of giving it your all for one quick burst and then crapping out, you want to be able to keep exerting yourself for extended periods of time.
Do you think you can attain this strength-endurance by pumping out countless reps with a lighter weight? No way. That would be like telling a 400-pound bench presser that he’ll increase his strength endurance by doing countless pushups. An increase in endurance, maybe. An increase in strength-endurance, no way.
So How Do We Increase Strength-Endurance?
To increase strength-endurance, you need a program that accomplishes three things: uses heavy (near limit) weight, requires rest periods that grow progressively shorter, and utilizes volume.
Heavy Weight
This is pretty much a "no brainer." If you want to get strong, you’re going to have to lift heavy. Cycling's good and is needed for proper muscular recovery, but you have to get to the point that you’re lifting as heavy as possible.
Shortened Rest Periods
The idea behind training to increase strength-endurance is that you want your body to be able to exert maximum strength when not fully recovered aerobically. You also want to train your body to recover faster. Or, in other words, when you're under maximum strain, you want to recover quicker from that strain. Also, you want to either sustain said strain longer or sustain it multiple times in quick succession.
Volume
If you’re not doing a fair amount of reps overall, you won’t increase any kind of endurance — strength or otherwise. It's doing a large volume of work (coupled with shortened rest periods) that will give you endurance. When that's coupled with heavy weights, then you develop strength-endurance. Think of it like an equation:
Strength-Endurance = Heavy Weights + Short Rest + Volume
Putting It All Together
Now that we know what we want to do, how do we do it? We've already figured out that light sets of many reps (say 3-4 sets x 12-15 reps) aren’t the answer, as we need to lift heavy. However, if we lift heavy, then we can’t use higher reps.
The answer is to use heavy weights for a lot of sets of low reps (say 10-20 sets x 1-4 reps). Rest periods are then shortened to roughly 20-40 seconds, but never more than 60 seconds.
A routine such as this allows us to:
• Use heavy weights (as we’re doing low reps)
• Still use large volume (because we’re doing more sets)
• Shorten rest periods (it doesn’t take nearly as long to recover from a couple reps as it does 12-15, so you can get to your next set more quickly)
When you start a routine such as this, either pick a shorter rest time (say 30 seconds) and start with a lighter weight (say 65-70% of 1RM), or choose a longer rest time (say 60 seconds) and start with a heavier weight (say 80-85% of 1RM). If you start with the lighter weight, strive to add weight each workout. If you start with the longer rest time, strive to decrease it each workout. Make your progressions small (only add 5-10 lbs. or decrease rest by 5-10 seconds per workout). Perform any given exercise two to three times per week.
A Real Life Example
When I first started experimenting with this style of training, my 1RM for the Clean and Press was 210-220 lbs. However, I could do 185 lbs. for probably 3-4 reps before crapping out, and then I’d have to wait at least a few minutes to do my next set.
Training the Clean and Press twice per week, I did 15 sets x 2 reps with rest periods starting at 60 seconds. My first workout, I used 135 lbs. (roughly 65% of 1RM). By set 13, I felt very shaky, and my form for set 15 was downright awful.
My body quickly adapted, however. I decreased the rest period every workout, and once I was at around 20 seconds rest, I increased the weight and started over again at 60 seconds. By Week 6, I was using 185 lbs. for 15 sets x 2 reps with only 15-20 seconds rest time. Or, in other words, I was performing 30 reps with roughly 85% of 1RM in just under five minutes. Do a workout like this with 3-4 exercises, and look how much heavy lifting you’re doing over an extended period of time.
I’ve prescribed this protocol to plenty of other people who've had similar (if not better) results.
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2005/07/26, 12:13 AM
I am also trying to overwork by upperbody, since I am planning on neglecting it for a time. Weight lifters call it supercompensation, athletes call it peaking, and west-siders call it circa maximal phase. Call it what you will, I am attempting to overtrain my upper body so that it will become stronger once I cut the upper body volume and start smolov. This is 3 weeks out from starting the routine.
I am doing this by starting working with bands again. I did full bench on Sunday, with heavy band tension at the top. I also did dumbbell military press with 62.5 lb dumbbells (per hand, not total) and some rotator cuff work. Tomorrow, Tuesday, is my upper body pulling day, so its basicly 4 hours of rock climbing. Grip was trained on Sunday and Tuesday.
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