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2005/08/25, 05:11 PM
We started basketball conditioning yesterday and my coach is going nuts! Yesterday, we ran 10 laps around the gym (including all the stairways), 2 suicides, 2 half court/back down/backs, and 2 down and backs. This was all in a row with hardly any rest time, keep in mind, this is our first day. IMMEDIATELY afterwards, we hit the weight room for a full upper body workout including bench, incline bench, tricep pushdowns, curls, military press, and shrugs- Just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. Even if that was a good weight program, which it wasn't, he left out any back work, so I did some pullups. So today we are all sore as crap and he has us run 5 laps, do 4 sets of walking lunges across the gym and do these gay hamstring stretching exercises (it is no dynamic stretching at all), followed by another weight training session for legs that included leg extensions, bear squat machine, calf raises, and a hamstring stretch holding the bar and bending over. He was tellin everybody to go really slow on their lifts so they could feel the burn and that would help their jumping. He said leg extensions and calf raises were like the best exercises. AGAIN, THIS IS SO WRONG! This guy obviously knows nothing about the importance of the posterior chain, and you guys all know this is very risky for overtraining with running immediately followed by lifting every day. I really want to talk to him about all this, but in a respectful manner, but damn, he is going to RUIN my season!! You guys think I should say somethin to him?
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/25, 05:13 PM
He also won't shut up about pre workout stretching and how it gets rid of soreness and how it prevents injury. He even makes me lead them in the stretches since I'm captain. This guy is POISONING my teammates with this stuff!!
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/25, 05:17 PM
Also, he told us all that we can do our own lifting if we want, but that we should do his routine as well. He said it won't hurt your other lifting, it will probably help. THIS IS SO MUCH BS, I have been preparing and researching so much this summer for my preseason routine. I finally got it written out and now coach is going to kill it with overtraining.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/25, 05:55 PM
Aron as the captain of your team it is YOUR responsibility to set the coach straight...in the meantime write down every thing you disagree with and your reasons why...in fact find a good website/source supporting your position.....then....after practice or on a day off....ask the coach if you guys can go to the office and speak with him for a bit....if he's a reasonable guy he'll surely give you half an hour and hear you out(especially since you're the captain of the team).....however don't talk to him in a condescending tone or insult him...or anything of the sort...get to the point...but definitely have a talk with him...
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2005/08/25, 06:41 PM
I just got through writing 6 pages worth of stuff I want him to know. It includes articles from Joe DeFranco and Matt DeLancey (Gatormade) and I told him what I think we should be doing in it. We'll see what happens.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/25, 08:26 PM
I agree. I have had, all in all, about 18 wrestling , 11 weightlifting, and 4 jui jitsu coaches. I seeked most of them out, as in finding the best clubs and teams to practice with, but every know and then, I got the occasional idiot. For the most part, I followed their routine, and did what they asked, but with my own stuff afterwards.
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I would usually use light weight on the weightlifting sessions and use them as active recovery.
Also, did you type up the 6 pages? If so, post it here or email it to me if you dont want to post all of it, and I will go over it for you. Although, it might be better to post it here, as I am sure some of our residents here would have something to add.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/08/25, 08:28 PM
Also, bring the other captains or senior members of the team with you. He's less likely to become defensive if he feels its more like a meeting than a confrontation.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/08/25, 08:33 PM
Be very careful with your presentation to your coach. If you alienate him then you may never play. You may alienate your teammates too. Be professional and ask him questions. Do not make suggestions on his training protocol. He will take this as an insult and the situation could potentially get worse for you then. Also, Is he a good basketball coach? If he is then you may need to trust him. If he has won with what he does and won often then he will most definitely put that in your face. I think it is great that you are being proactive about your training plan. I'm not telling you to not talk to your coach. I am just telling you to be very careful in your presentation. Good luck.
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2005/08/26, 04:14 AM
I think gator has a good point...so considering that...why not just say something like 'hey coach I found some great information that we could use to supplement our workouts....can you please take a look at them and tell me what you think...?...thanks I appreciate you taking your time to look this over....I'll talk to you later about this when you had a chance to review it.....thanks again'
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2005/08/26, 08:30 AM
i know where arondaballer is coming from. when i was in high school we had a phys ed teacher who was also a football/baseball coach. he put us in a weight room one semester, we basically did the same exercises every day, sort of like circuit training. i never really got stronger till after high school. not this is the case in every school, but you have alot of high school athletics being coached by someone who may be a very good coach/mentor, but who has never lifted weights. especially in the area where i live. one of the local football teams here has a very nice facility, but every time you see them, they're either doing a 95-135lb bench press, 135lb squat, or their beloved curls. dont get me wrong every few years like clockwork you get a kid who is just freakishly strong, and it always makes me wonder: how strong could he be with the right training?
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2005/08/26, 11:36 PM
I gave him my 6 page thing today and just asked him to please read it and that I had some ideas for our conditioning program. Wrestler, I didn't save it to this computer but it's on the one at my church cuz that's where I was when I wrote it. But anyways, he told me he read the whole thing and that the stuff sounded pretty good, and that he went and asked some football coaches that are certified trainers and they agreed that I had a point, so he said he's putting me in charge of our warm up and stretching post workout, and that I could think of some sprint work and SAQ stuff for us to do.
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2005/08/26, 11:41 PM
He's having one of the certified coaches to make us up a weight program, and I guess I will be using it mostly for recovery work, because the workouts I do aren't anything I could do in the crappy basketball weight room. No cages or anything in there. sux. But Yeah hopefully I can do my hardcore stuff in the mornings so I'll be at my best, and then do that stuff lightly but with the team. That way I won't be separating myself from my teammates and I'll be doing even more than what coach requires so long as I don't overtrain.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/27, 01:13 AM
congrats on getting your coach to see your side. im sure it wasn't an easy thing to do considering the coach being an authority figure and all.
keep up the good work
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2005/08/27, 02:11 AM
congratulations...that took some guts...
I agree that team workouts should be light workouts mostly for recovery to maintain good team spirit....however I suggest that you may want to get some of the more dedicated members to train with you in the mornings.....
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2005/08/27, 01:52 PM
The thing is, there are no athletes even nearly as dedicated as me. None of them will get up before school and work out. Oh well, I can still give them advice while they work out and stuff I guess. But oh well, I guess I will be the only one that reaps the incredible benefits of my workouts LOL.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/28, 03:35 PM
been there... It pays in the long run. After I went from one of the "practice partners" to a state place winner, everyone else started to jump on in my practices.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/08/28, 04:41 PM
arondaballer. Congrats. Hey I want you to take a look at this forum.
http://athletetraining.proboards60.com/index.cgi
Good luck with the upcoming season.
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2005/08/28, 10:02 PM
Thanks all. I'll check it out, itsallmental.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2005/08/28, 10:13 PM
Itsallmental, I wasn't very into that site. Didn't have much useful info, and I disagreed with a lot of things ppl are sayin on there. Thanks for the link, but I don't think I'll be joinin that forum.
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2005/08/31, 10:35 AM
itsallmental...what you have to understand, is that coming to a forum like this where many of our members are educated athletes that genuinly (sp?) know what they are talking about, and then repetitively posting the URL for another message board, not alot of members are going to run right over, especially when there is a site like this with trainers and athletes already available.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/08/31, 04:03 PM
I checked that site...problem is that it's pretty empty....with a bunch of things which are overstretched...wrestler made a good point...say you play on a professional team then get traded to another team and start telling your teammates how great that other team was and that they all should try to play there....that team might be great but they are here and are loyal to the team...and you come off bad...this is something like it...many people here are loyal to this forum....on top that site is weak content wise....
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