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2005/09/01, 12:13 PM
Any ideas for the slowing down of gas prices? How about at the very least the government putting in price controls at least for a short time. I am normally not in favor of govermnemt doing anything of the kind, but in this case something has to be done.
It costs 4 bucks to process a barrel of oil! 4 bucks. OPEC says they have plenty of oil, I read it just 2 days before the hurricane. And speaking of hurricanes, and natural disasters, is this the first time we have ever had one????
Look for the price of coffee to shoot through the roof next. I believe it is somewhere around 20% of the nations coffee imports stored in New Orleans area wharehouses when it arrives.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 12:20 PM
Supply is definitely not the problem; we have enough. The problem is the refining of it to make the gas out of the oil. Something like 90% of the facilities on the Gulf Coast are now off line! One good thing the EPA did yesterday was suspend many of the regulations on gas production (til 9/15) so other companys can start moving basically one formula across the country.
Of course, I believe this also shows the weakness in the concept of restricting the construction of more refining facilities - none have been built in the last 15 years. Before this disaster hit, the US refineries wer already running at 98%.
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Michael
*ITS LEG DAY*
You already blew out your wraps.
Your towel cant absorb any more sweat.
Theres puke on the floor.
Your partner is passed out.
Theres a crowd gathering...
And that was just the warm up!
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2005/09/01, 12:29 PM
We have not built or expanded our refieries in I believe 30 yrs. What happened to foresight?
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restricting the construction of more refining facilities - none have been built in the last 15 years. Before this disaster hit, the US refineries wer already running at 98%.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 12:34 PM
We don't have good leaders . We have good fund raisers. The average senator or congressman spends 2/3 of his time raising money for re-election. We have the best government money can buy.
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/01, 12:43 PM
Its only gonna get worse.. Way Worse, $5-10 Dollars a gallon within a couple of years. I know for sure I wont be able to drive if gas prices are that high, I dont think 80% of america can afford to drive if gas prices are that high. Iraq wont need weapons of mass destruction to kill us, they control the oil, charging $5-10 a gallon for gas will kill or economy! In iraq they pay as little as .05 cents per gallon.
Gas Info --> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gas17.html
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2005/09/01, 01:04 PM
It already hit over 5 bucks a gallon in the south, in Georgia, premium is over 6 bucks.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 01:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/050901/480/gagb10409010035
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 01:13 PM
Wow... six bucks...
Just did some figurin' here... in Red Deer, Alberta... we are paying 98.9 cents/Litre... roughly breaks down to $3.34 USD/US Gallon.
I don't get it.
t
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This donut has purple in the middle, purple is a fruit. - Homer (Simpson)
Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
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2005/09/01, 01:17 PM
If it gets over $5 where I live in florida, I guess I will have to get a motorcycle, dont really want one because all of the old people around here that dont know how to drive but I guess you got to do what you got to do.
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2005/09/01, 02:04 PM
2 N.O. pipelines supply the southeast. Thanks to th a$$holes on the news we had a panic run on gas last night. There were fights in the gas lines and all for no reason. One pipeline was running as of last night and the other will be online by Monday. But did the talikng heads mention that? Nope, only that we would have shortages. We have a press problem and a political leader problem in this country. The press will say anything and sensationalize anything to sell those ads and get their political contributions.
The two main pipelines that come from N.O. which supply our area were shut down due to power failure. That's what the TV folks railed about last night. Now they have everybody glued to the TV waiting for news . Up goes the ad cost ...TV wins. I'm pretty sick of it.
I think we need a movement in this country to vote against the incumbent. A poititian should serve his 4 or 6 years and GO HOME!!!
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Charlie
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2005/09/01, 02:10 PM
I see the words Public Transit coming into play for all states very soon. What happens when they get overloaded with passengers because no one can afford to put gas in their vehicles... there are going to be other issues as well that get affected by this. It is a economical disaster....
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Bettia.... You will only be remembered for the things that you finish, not the things that you start!
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 02:44 PM
92p/Litre here - that's $1.70 :angry:
I would cycle to work if it wasn't 38 miles away.
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2005/09/01, 03:18 PM
I'm with you princess...I work 58 miles away, on my way to work this morning I seen gas as low as $2.75 and as high as $3.30!!!! And that's for regular...time for a raise:angry:
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92p/Litre here - that's $1.70 :angry:
I would cycle to work if it wasn't 38 miles away.
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2005/09/01, 04:37 PM
I have cycled to work and walked for that matter just to get in some exercise. I am lucky though, it's only 4.25 miles away.
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Bettia.... You will only be remembered for the things that you finish, not the things that you start!
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 04:47 PM
i wish raven
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2005/09/01, 06:53 PM
5$ dollars a galllon?!!!!!! jeezz....we have some of the highest prices in the nation san francisco at 2.82(excluding hawaii....which hit over 3)....price controls might be a good idea in the short run...although it's probably going to lead to shortages in terms of economic perspective...whenever you have a price control in place...hello san fran rent control laws.....you have more people wanting to live in those buildings then owners willing to rent the houses.....at least in theory....
The movement towards eletric and hydrogen cars must take place....hydrogen cars run on hydrogen and excrete just about drinkable water....electric cars will be similar to laptops....both technologies are available already....gas is theorized to run out in about 40-45 years...
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2005/09/01, 09:15 PM
Pensacola topped $3.00 this afternoon and what's really ridiculous is there is plenty of gas. We had tankers come in yesterday with enough gas to last us a week but the media is playing it up like we will be out tomorrow. Every good ol' boy with 10 five gallon gas cans is filling up everhing they can think of. Of course it doesn't help since Florida doesn't want to mar the view from the condos with oil wells. We have to save our beaches for the tourists that won't be able to afford to drive here. :)
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2005/09/01, 09:26 PM
Here in Montreal we are at $1.35 cdn per liter, which is $6.12 per gallon. We have our own wells here so what's the excuse here? they jacked it up yesterday by .28 Really scary who is doing the looting here???
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada
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2005/09/01, 09:55 PM
Gas here in tennessee is right at 2.99 to 3.29 gallon. Gas went up 29cents in 12 hours. Costs 30bucks to fill up a caviler......a caviler!
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People don\'t reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2005/09/01, 10:14 PM
Well, if we manage to take the country back from extreme environmentalists after all this, some good may come from it gaswise.
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Charlie
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2005/09/01, 10:28 PM
andrew....I just filled up my honda accord....$50.00...$3.099
Did I mention I drive 58 miles to work...each way?
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Gas here in tennessee is right at 2.99 to 3.29 gallon. Gas went up 29cents in 12 hours. Costs 30bucks to fill up a caviler......a caviler!
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/02, 06:42 AM
Hey! I've got a honda accord too!
It costs £45 to fill up = $82 of your US dollars. It's a good job Scotland is just a small country or I'd be bankrupt.:(
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2005/09/02, 08:12 AM
lol....82$ jeez...i was getting mad when it took me to fill my car 3/4 for 33$.....that's just rediculous....but the funny thing is we have finally discovered a cure for obesity....Southern major cities have been getting some of the worst 'grades' in men's health in annual fitness ratings.....and hawaii as one of the best..or #1(san fran has been top 5 for years)...well hawaii has usually the highest gas prices in US...and south probably is close to the avg US prices which are 20-30 cents cheaper than hawaii/california....so that creates an interesting correllation....
now when everyone is too poor to drive their cars...maybe they'll buy bikes and paddle to work....Americans don't always use their brains when it comes to their health...or barely at all...but they do pay attention to their wallets...hence the solution....10+$ gallon/gas....it will be a great world...we'll all be lined to watch celebrities driving their porsches and hummers....I mean I doubt Arnold Schwarznegger would care if it cost him 500-1000$ to fill up his hummer....just a drop in the bucket....perhaps we'll buy tickets in the future to watch celebrities driving their vehicles....lined up on the freeways ....for a chance to glimpse at their driving prowess.....:)....on a sidenote I wonder how nascar is going to survive with such gas prices.....my late night/early morning ponderings......lol
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2005/09/02, 08:42 AM
That's a good question...goodbye NASCAR? My mom will go into heart failure, probably my daughter too...
Princess...you own a great car. I worked for Honda for 6 years and I don't think I will ever own anything else. I feel that although they aren't the "best" cars on the market, they are the best for the price they sell for. I have a 2000 Accord Coupe EX with 105,000 miles on it. I have never had to do anyting except oil, brakes, etc. And thank god it's good on gas.
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/02, 09:30 AM
Some of the older folks here (not me of course) remember this happening a few times in the past but for different reasons. Even in the oil embargo of the '70's, NASCAR never shut down - they just changed the 500 mile races to 250 miles.
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2005/09/02, 12:46 PM
the prices are rising all the time over here too. 96.9p a litre which is nearly 10p more than three months ago.
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2005/09/02, 12:00 PM
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers got no relief from rising gas prices Friday as a new poll showed that a growing number of Americans want President Bush to pay more attention.
Prices at the pump rose nationwide as damage caused by Hurricane Katrina disrupted distribution of supplies to key distribution centers and terminals.
Gas stations in the East, Southeast and Midwest all reported running out of fuel as drivers fearing a shortage swarmed to their stations, USA Today reported.
The nationwide average for a gallon of regular unleaded gas shot up 16 cents overnight to a new record of $2.86 a gallon, according to AAA's daily fuel report.
But the motorist organization said its survey has been unable to keep up with real price increases at the pumps, which have surged well above $3 a gallon in many areas and above $5 around Atlanta.
Americans have managed to withstand rising energy prices in the past year, but the spike in gasoline over the last few days is testing that resilience.
Research firm Ipsos Public Affairs said a national poll it conducted for the Associated Press showed the public is almost as worried about gas prices as it is about the war in Iraq.
According to Ipsos, 24 percent of those polled said energy and gas prices should be the highest priority for President Bush and Congress in the next few months. That compares to 29 percent who said the situation in Iraq should take top priority.
Price gouging concerns
With several stations raising prices overnight, reports of price gouging have heightened consumer concerns.
Stations in the Atlanta region were charging as much as $5 a gallon, and one station in Stockbridge, Ga. was charging customers $5.87 a gallon. That led Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue to sign an order putting the state's price-gouging statute into play Thursday.
President Bush also warned Thursday against price-gouging of gasoline in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Fears of a gas crisis have led to speculation that consumers will feel the effect of gas prices beyond the roadway, with the possibility of airlines shutting down due to shortages.
But the Federal Aviation Administration dismissed those rumors and said officials are canvassing airports, airlines and jet fuel providers, adding that so far, airports and airlines have enough jet fuel to keep running normally.
"Given that a number of major pipeline operators have now resumed operations, we believe the aviation industry will not face any immediate disruptions relating to the supply of jet fuel," the FAA said in a statement Thursday.
Two major pipelines in the Gulf Coast shut down by power outages after the storm resumed partial operation Thursday.
Is $4 a gallon gas coming soon?
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/pf/gas_price_gouging/index.htm
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2005/09/02, 04:40 PM
whewww. I am so glad right now that we moved from Central, WA. I can just imagine how much i would be paying for gas now. Ksmith, try 89 miles each way. that is what i used to drive in a Ford Explorer V6, mind you daily up until early February this year!!!
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Bettia.... You will only be remembered for the things that you finish, not the things that you start!
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/02, 11:48 PM
You are definately lucky Raven...
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/19, 05:04 PM
Price Check?
Just wondering if everyone else is seeing the prices drop nation wide and overseas. I'm in Dallas and it went from $2.60ish (before Katrina)to over $3 and is now back down to $2.65. Still on the decline every few days it appears.
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2005/09/19, 05:12 PM
2.69 and dropping in Florida (where i live at least).
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2005/09/19, 05:51 PM
75 cents.....here in the twilight zone.
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Charlie
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2005/09/20, 09:53 AM
Didn't Rod Serling always call the Twilight Zone a "one way trip"? So not a lot of fuel is needed once you're there.
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2005/09/21, 10:27 AM
you really got off light, our price went up to about twice what yours was, but we always pay inflated prices for everything though.
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a dove is a glove, that i wear on my heart, and though i like to dress smart, it doesnt have any part in the world of fashion.
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2005/09/21, 11:45 AM
down to about 2.60 somthing here.....pretty bad when you say "yah" for 2.60 a gallon lol
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Friends don\'t let friends squat high...
People don\'t reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2005/09/21, 12:15 PM
Back in the early 60's, when I was making $1.25 an hour, gas was $.25 a gallon or 20% of my wage and people were complaining about the price then. In some Europeon countries it is 6-7 dollars a gallon. We have had it pretty good for a long while.Jerry
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2005/09/21, 02:32 PM
It's a safe bet that gas will be going to be back at or above $3 by Monday. We're already out of gas in Pensacola. Rita didn't even hit here but all barge and tanker traffic will be shut down for awhile and the storm is aimed right for the big refineries in Texas.
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in Pensacola Now.
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2005/09/21, 02:50 PM
I live in a tiny town but we do have 3 gas stations. Right after Katrina regular gas got up to $3.30 a gallon.. The whole town was out of everything but premium. I have a Dodge Ram pickup, needless to say gas was outrageous. I put $25 in it one day and only got 7.2 gallons of gas. Its lowered some but I don't know how much right off hand.
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2005/09/22, 07:09 PM
This is what happens when we have an "oil man" in office. I don't understand why the government won't step in and temporarily suspend taxes on oil/gas or at least lower it.
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2005/09/28, 10:22 AM
So far there hasn't been but a 10 cent hike in the last week on prices, even after Rita and everyone running out of gas at the pumps. I think they know that the public has them under a microscope right now and they're trying to shy away from jacking it up.
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2005/09/28, 01:00 PM
damn we should all listen 2 those environmentalists now and change to more environmentally friendly energy resources, like hydrogen powered cars n stuff. that way we wont be destroying the ozone layer and in about 30-40 years (i think it takes about that time for pollution etc 2 reach up there), it can start repaairing itself (yeh someone told me the ozone layer can repair itself, it just cant do it faster than the rate it's being destroyed). Then when the ozone layer has repaired itself, all the destruction caused by global warming will be reversed e.g ice caps melting, sea levels rising, temperatures increasing, freak weather conditions etc. Then we wont have such destructive hurricanes like katrina or tsunamis like the one in asia etc. And we wont have 2 worry bout high gas prices cuz the environmentally friendly ways (like solar power or hydrogen) are free! Sure it will be expensive at first but its worth it in the long run!
its about time politians realize this, as we're gonna have to switch to environmentally friendly energy resources anyway when oil coal and gas run out in the next 40-50 years!
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2005/09/28, 02:08 PM
gas prices went up 10 cents in my part of florida, getting ready for rita i guess...
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2005/09/29, 12:52 AM
That's what everybody wants to think, but it's not so. How do you think the hydrogen is obtained for those vehicles? It takes quite a bit of energy to run the separation process for H2. Well, the electricity to do it comes from burning coal (or natural gas in some cases). And since achieving 100% efficiency is impossible, we use more energy getting the hydrogen than we obtain from it.
The individual driving the car may not feel environmentally guilty, but the fact remains that you can't get something for nothing. If it were as simple as snapping our fingers and putting hydrogen in our cars, don't you think the market would've already forced that change by now?
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damn we should all listen 2 those environmentalists now and change to more environmentally friendly energy resources, like hydrogen powered cars n stuff. that way we wont be destroying the ozone layer and in about 30-40 years (i think it takes about that time for pollution etc 2 reach up there), it can start repaairing itself (yeh someone told me the ozone layer can repair itself, it just cant do it faster than the rate it's being destroyed). Then when the ozone layer has repaired itself, all the destruction caused by global warming will be reversed e.g ice caps melting, sea levels rising, temperatures increasing, freak weather conditions etc. Then we wont have such destructive hurricanes like katrina or tsunamis like the one in asia etc. And we wont have 2 worry bout high gas prices cuz the environmentally friendly ways (like solar power or hydrogen) are free! Sure it will be expensive at first but its worth it in the long run!
its about time politians realize this, as we're gonna have to switch to environmentally friendly energy resources anyway when oil coal and gas run out in the next 40-50 years!
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2005/10/02, 12:23 PM
ok dude...im only 15 ok. what do i know :)
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2005/10/03, 03:19 PM
Oh but then there's Solar Power...cover your entire car with Solar Panel's and you could probably get the Radio working and maybe a blinker periodically.
Alternate sources of fuel, while seems like a great idea and the Democratic party has convinced everyone that it's the Republican's fault that we don't have it (even though Clinton had 8 years and what did we get Alternate Fuel wise), at this point is a pipe dream. As Timmy said there are no large scale efficient ways to create an alternate fuel, and even if there were there wouldn't be enough people to buy it. Think of how many people in the US drive cars (99.999999% run off of Gasoline), now think of what it cost to create/perfect this alternate fuel (whatever $ figure you want to imagine), then figure how long and how many new cars it will take for the makers of this wonder fuel to get paid back for their investment (after everyone buys a new car).
A new source of fuel will come in time...and maybe these high gas prices will expedite the process as the Market pressures auto makers to make more efficient Gas Mileage on their vehicles, eventually the auto makers will find it more effective to invest in finding other fuel sources as well. Everything is Market driven...it's called Capitalism. As the people demand it, it will come.
Also I'm not sure who you've been listening to that said the planet will run out of fuel in 40-50 years, but that's an utterly ridiculous statement.
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2005/10/03, 03:24 PM
Oh and me filling my Chevy Tahoe with Unleaded for the last few years wasn't responsible for Katrina or Rita...every 50-75 years we get hit by big hurricanes. Check with the National Hurricane center...they've tracked hurricanes for over a hundred years and it just happens.
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2005/10/07, 03:18 PM
Do some research and find out how long it took Brazil to convert to 80% ethanol. You may be surprised to know that GM & Ford already supply them with vehicles. The technology exists. Americans are too lazy and cheap to implement it. It is easier to trash the planet, and do what we can to undo everything Clinton did for the environment. We will be laughed at by future generations as people who took irreplaceable natural resources and burned them.
How much would a barrel of crude oil derived from pig feces cost? 50 bucks. Now.
Your right. Capitolism is what is keeping fuel costs high. Why should oil companies refine a process that will save money for consumers, at a loss to themselves?
I'm suprised They haven't outlawed ethanol yet, like they did hemp.
Ah, yes.....and I do believe Global Warming exists. It was 80 today in New England.
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The strong shall stand, the weak will fall by the wayside.
Res ipsa loquitur
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2005/10/12, 03:33 PM
Just had to share cause I am way to excited. The gas at the Shell station next to my house has dropped from $2.69 to $2.49 in the period of a week and a half. We might actually be able to drive to the gas station now! :laugh:
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