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Grapes??????

bria79
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2005/10/04, 09:26 PM
Are grapes ok? in moderation? What is the preferred fruit to consume?
Kalanchoe
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2005/10/05, 03:58 AM
dark skinned fruits - red grapes, red apples, plums ... also brightly skinned fruits like oranges. The more pigmentation in the fruit, the more antoxidants/nutrients. Not that others are bad, but from what i understand, green apples, bananas, green grapes aren't as packed with fruitiness as other darker fruits. However, all fruit is good, really!

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bria79
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2005/10/05, 06:23 PM

Thanks!
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Quoting from kalanchoe:

dark skinned fruits - red grapes, red apples, plums ... also brightly skinned fruits like oranges. The more pigmentation in the fruit, the more antoxidants/nutrients. Not that others are bad, but from what i understand, green apples, bananas, green grapes aren't as packed with fruitiness as other darker fruits. However, all fruit is good, really!


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bb1fit
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2005/10/10, 11:18 AM
Sorry, but grapes are not the best....aside from being really expensive, most varieties of grapes (especially the green ones) are virtually nutrition-less. They're good for one thing only, and that's tasting sweet. The red varieties are a little better, as they contain some valuable antioxidants, but for the most part, they all might as well be Hershey's kisses.


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sstump1
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2005/10/10, 03:15 PM
Yummy Hershey Kisses!

I like grapes and I'll eat a handful occassionally. I usually get them for my kids lunches though. I doubt I'll change feeding them to my kids, but might switch to the Red ones.

bb1...I was always under the impression that natural sugars from Fruits was typically better (at least how your body handles it) then the processed sugar that you find in candies and such. Is this not the case?
bb1fit
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2005/10/11, 01:48 AM
No, this in fact is not the case. Fructose is the main sugar, and for instance soda can have lots of fructose. There is no difference, the body handles them in exactly the same way. It does not magically know that one is from fruits.

Fruits can be doubly beneficial: First, they're good for you in their own right - especially nutrient-rich bananas, strawberries, apples, pears, and tomatoes (yes, a fruit). And second, because they can take the place of something harmful in your diet - sweets.


Oranges and grapefruits on the other hand..... Yes, there's some Vitamin C to be had by eating these, and a few other things as well, but they're mostly just sugar. And the straight juices of either of these are no better for you (again, aside from the vitamins - which you can easily get in a sugarless supplement) than soda pop.

The skins of red varieties of grapes contain powerful antioxidants called polyphenols. These have been shown in much research to reduce the risk of heart attack and stroke - and may even have a cancer-preventive benefit, as well.

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febreze
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2005/10/11, 11:50 AM
so does this mean people with diabetes and people who want to control the amount of sugar they are eating shouldn't have fruit?
bb1fit
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2005/10/11, 12:32 PM
In any high amount, and especially inferior ones as noted in my post above. It would be best to stick with strawberries, blueberries, etc. Your body does not know the difference between fructose, no matter what the source.

Researchers reviewed whether the consumption of fructose contributes to obesity and insulin resistance syndrome, which is a combination of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, including chronically elevated insulin levels, low HDL ("good") cholesterol, abdominal obesity and high blood pressure.

Fructose, compared with glucose, is preferentially metabolized to fat in your liver.

It was found that in animal models fructose consumption produces:

Insulin resistance

Impaired glucose tolerance

High insulin levels

High triglycerides

Hypertension

Americans' consumption of fructose, as a combination of sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup, has increased by 26 percent from 1970 to 1997. The intake of dietary fructose has increased markedly as a result of the steady increase of added sugars to the American diet.

In the past, fructose was considered to be beneficial to diabetes mellitus and insulin resistance because ingesting it results in smaller postprandial glycemic and insulin excursions than do glucose and complex carbohydrates. However, other hormonal factors suggest that fructose actually promotes disease more than glucose. Also, fructose, but not glucose, is metabolized to fat in your liver.

Researchers conclude that added fructose (in the forms of sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup) does not appear to be the optimal choice as a source of carbohydrate in the diet.

Small amounts of added fructose are probably benign and may even have some favorable metabolic effects. However, on the basis of the available data regarding the endocrine and metabolic effects of consuming large quantities of fructose, and the potential to exacerbate components of insulin resistance syndrome, it is preferable to primarily consume dietary carbohydrates in the form of glucose (free glucose and starch).

This is particularly important for those with existing high cholesterol levels or insulin resistance who could be more susceptible to the negative metabolic effects of fructose.

The delusion that fructose is an acceptable form of sugar is quite prevalent in many nutritional circles.

This doesn't mean that one should avoid fruit, however. Eating small amounts of whole fruit will NOT provide tremendous amounts of fructose and should not be a problem for most people, unless diabetes or obesity is an issue. However, fruit juices, sodas, and other beverages sweetened with fructose should be avoided.

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bb1fit
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2005/10/11, 12:34 PM
By the way, much of the above post is directly from the Journal of Clinical Nutrtion, very prestigious journal.

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sstump1
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2005/10/11, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the information BB1. As always, you're a great source of valuable information!