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2005/11/13, 10:51 AM
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Quoting from wrestler125:
What you can draw from this, is that weightlifting IS a form of cardiovascular exercise. There are demands being placed on your muscles, and as a result, your cv system is being worked.
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Thanks so much for the info. That truly makes sense. I guess I've been over- worrying about his ticker for some reason. You're right, with the amount of lifting he does, he HAS to be getting benefits to his heart. :)
Thanks for easing my mind, and for the info for him!!!!!!!!!
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2005/11/14, 10:40 AM
Glad to help.
And menace, have you ever done 20 rep "breathing squats?" You'll feel like you just ran a marathon. For a couple of days.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 10:05 PM
Exactly. Try doing a set of your 6rm in the clean and press, and tell me your not breathing hard and sweating...
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/13, 04:40 AM
Do few sets of 20 for squats...and even that 'light' weight will make u breath like u ran a mile or two...
great points wrestler....I am glad this is finally being discussed....
I was reading while back that intensity can substitute for duration...where shorter bursts of cardio are as effective as longer duration lighter intensity cardio....5 min sprint vs 30 min walk...or something to that degree....and our body becomes 'good' at things we train it for...but which doesn't necessarily carry over to other life things...
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2005/11/14, 05:42 PM
My husband is going to love the article you posted wrestler.
I must admit I enjoy doing cardio, but without weight training I would just be a skinny fat weak chick.
The one guy in the office never does cardio and is a competitive power lifter, dude is strong and actual keeps his weight down. He also takes every the counter supplement known to man. How about training the heart though, I thought 20 minutes of continues exercise is what is needed?
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2005/11/14, 08:19 PM
Yes wrestler I think someone suggested those to me before , maybe even you and I have tried them once...and it did feel like I ran a mile....lol...those are f hard....
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2005/11/14, 08:59 PM
What are good intervals for hiit?
1 min fst:1 min slw...1min fst:30s slw...1min fst: 2min slw?
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2005/11/14, 11:54 PM
Their all good alternatives, but the longer your rest periods, the more intense the fast periods should be. I would rotate for best results.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 02:50 AM
I need some help here ~ please. My husband is what is considered to be a power lifter, I am sure. He is extremely muscular, but does no cardio what so ever.
He is really interested in beginning (it's been years since he's run) but he is terrified of losing muscle. I'm sure you men can relate.
How can he start cardio and preserve muscle too? Is there such a thing?
Also, how often should he do cardio? 3x per week? I know it's best for your heart to work that for 20 min every day, but that's not going to happen with him, I promise that.:)
I told him I would post this to some men who would understand where he's coming from.
I'm hopeful you can give some advice.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read/reply
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2005/11/12, 03:47 AM
First of all, what "is considered to be a powerlifter?" Sounds to me he is more concerned with muscle mass, not strength...
In answer to your question without further information, the best way to do cardio while preserving muscle mass is HIIT trianing (high intensity interval training). 2-3x per week would usually be ok, but it depends on you goals.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 04:07 AM
I would do 3 days of 45 minutes of moderate jogging/running....or play sports if he's into them...basketball, soccer, tennis, football, etc....
Extreme muscularity is generally related more with bodybuilding than powerlifting...ie having high muscle mass and very low body fat....bodybuilders can be strong but generally aren't as near as powerlifters....
I would also suggest he take 5-10g...3g morning and 3g night...of fish oil...it helps spare muscle mass during calorie restricted diets or during stressful conditions....highly suggest it...
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2005/11/12, 12:00 PM
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Quoting from wrestler125:
First of all, what "is considered to be a powerlifter?" Sounds to me he is more concerned with muscle mass, not strength...
In answer to your question without further information, the best way to do cardio while preserving muscle mass is HIIT trianing (high intensity interval training). 2-3x per week would usually be ok, but it depends on you goals.
=============Well, I wouldn't be the expert on what being a powerlifter means, obviously. I just figured I might find someone who is nice enough to realize I'm just a wife trying to help my husband realize cardio is important to his health.
Thanks for the reply
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2005/11/12, 12:06 PM
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Quoting from menace3000:
I would do 3 days of 45 minutes of moderate jogging/running....or play sports if he's into them...basketball, soccer, tennis, football, etc....
Extreme muscularity is generally related more with bodybuilding than powerlifting...ie having high muscle mass and very low body fat....bodybuilders can be strong but generally aren't as near as powerlifters....
I would also suggest he take 5-10g...3g morning and 3g night...of fish oil...it helps spare muscle mass during calorie restricted diets or during stressful conditions....highly suggest it...
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Thanks Menace! I wouldn't consider him a body builder myself, as he is more concerned each week with lifting more and more. Maybe not weekly, but you know. He logs everything, and comes in happy when he's had a good gain. He is a muscular guy, but not by nature. He's been lifting for 20 years. I'm just concerned because he doesn't push his heart much (IMO), and he does have a layer of fat over him. Thin, but there. He does take fish oil daily, but I will have him adjust his dose if he's not taking as much as you would recommend. I know he takes Alpha Lipoic Acid, Fish oil, Glutamine, Carnatine, Arganine, that's all I can remember ordering on line. He also drinks whey protein, casein whey late in the evening, I know he mas dextrose delivered here, maltodextrin and creatine too. He is concerned with keeping his muscle though, as he should be. He's worked very hard to build it, and never wants to do something to his body that makes it start using muscle for fuel. I just figured there's a way to support both ~ your heart and your muscle. :) As a wife, I am worried that he doesn't do cardio, and I'm trying to sell him on it. He said if he knew a way to do it, while preserving his muscle he is all for it. So ~ I've turned to you. If there's anything else you can share, please do. TIA
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2005/11/12, 01:08 PM
Glutamine and fish oil are two good supplements to take if cutting and concerned about muscle loss.
HIIT training will spare most of your muscle mass. It won't be as much of a "cardio" workout, as HIIT training generally only lasts about 20 minutes, but it can really get your body into shape quickly. HIIT training will burn off fat quickly. However, jogging and swimming for 40 minutes is more of a "heart" workout.
If he decides to do traditional cardio, then he should know that studies show that supplementing with a well diluted carbohydrate and protein solution DURING exercise has been shown to reduce muscle loss greatly. Also, a carbohydrate:protein shake in a 3-1 ratio after cardio would also be helpful, but if he takes everything you say he takes, then I am sure he usually takes a post workout shake. Just make sure this one is higher in carbohydrates than his post-weightlifting shake. This is to restore you glycogen stores as quickly as possible.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 01:12 PM
Also, don't worry too much about your husbands heart. Most serious weightlifters are in much better shape than they may "appear" to be. Even though you may not be breathing heavily and sucking wind the whole time you are weightlifting, heavy compound exercises will actually condition the cardiac system.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 08:24 PM
Alwyn Cosgrove, from an elite fitness systems article:
Aerobic training has to be the single most over-reacted to, and thus overemphasized training modality in the history of our field. It started with Kenneth Cooper but I don’t think even he meant aerobic training to receive the almost religious type treatment it has. The only reason aerobic work even requires extra oxygen is because of demand from the muscular system. It doesn’t matter what activity you are involved in – aerobics or weight training – it is muscular demand that determines caloric burn. So you have to begin with that in mind.
Let’s think about it logically (I know this is hard for the strength coaching field). For example, you can run a mile in ten minutes and can swim a mile in twenty minutes. After a year of swimming every day and not running – you can now swim a mile in 16 minutes. Without running – how much has your running improved? Very little.
Why? We only have ONE cardiovascular system – so why doesn’t improving your swimming (and cardio system) automatically improve your running?
Because the ONLY reason your cardio system was involved in the first place was because of demand from your muscular system. So you adapted to the SPECIFIC MUSCULAR demands of swimming which by default then involves the cardiovascular system – it’s not the other way around as most people think. The muscles don’t move because of cardiovascular demand – the cardio system is elevated because of muscular demand. We need to program the body based on the movements it’s going to perform – not based on the cardiovascular system. That’s an upside down method of programming.
I think the over-reaction to aerobics peaked around 92. I can remember watching a weightlifter being interviewed at the 92 Barcelona Games (I’m sure most lifters can relate) – when after watching the athlete perform a few sets, the interviewer asked “What type of exercise do you do for your heart?”
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2005/11/12, 08:25 PM
What you can draw from this, is that weightlifting IS a form of cardiovascular exercise. There are demands being placed on your muscles, and as a result, your cv system is being worked.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/12, 08:32 PM
So thats why I breathe so hard after every set of legs (and the other big lifts like bench)
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