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2005/11/15, 01:58 PM
I can't find it again. I remember it being listed by avg death age separated by professional sports in a grid format somewhere on the web. It wouldn't be hard to believe with the USA today's article stating the following:
Since 1997, about 1,000 wrestlers 45 and younger have worked on pro wrestling circuits worldwide, wrestling officials estimate. A USA today study in 2003 showed, an examination of medical documents, autopsies and police reports, along with interviews with family members and news accounts, shows that at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems — an extraordinarily high rate for people that young, medical officials say. Many had enlarged hearts.
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2005/11/15, 01:59 PM
I actually read that article before gangster. The numbers do not lie, but it is still misleading to the non wreslting fan. When people think wrestling, they think WWE. WWE gets the heat for any indy wrestler that dies. So if some no-name indy wrestler dies of a drug overdose, or whatever, it is an automatic black eye on pro wrestling. This guy could be a part time wrestler/teacher. WWE gets the heat. The problem is really on the indy scene. These guys are on the road, partying, druggin, popping pills etc.... They are also taking steroids so they can get bigger for the big time. It all comes down to choices. Whether you are a wrestler or whatever, you choose to be a user and ultimately you are choosing to die. I wish that wrestling was not this way because it is such a fun entertaining industry. These guys are always a class act towards the fans.
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2005/11/15, 02:02 PM
And I bet if I saw the list of these "pro" wrestlers I could matbe identify 25 of them. They are categorizing back yard wrestlers, or any promotion that has a ring as a pro wrestler. It just is not the case. Again, I am not saying there isnt a problem, because there is, but the problem is not with the big time promotions, it is the indies. Name the last big time WWE guy that died?
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2005/11/15, 02:37 PM
The big boss man, the road warrior, curt henning britsh bulldog. I went to allsports.com since like 1997 not even 10 years there has been like 14 WWE or WCW stars that have died from enlarged hearts, drugs etc,
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2005/11/15, 02:42 PM
I was refering to the entire industry in my comments rather than the WWE. Piper's book might be an interesting read to just get the prespective of what a professional wrestler's life was all about in the 80's and early 90's. The extreme highs of performing for soo many fans, to the extreme lows of being all by yourself banged up and in a hotel room on the road would be a real roller coaster life of emotions.
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2005/11/15, 03:04 PM
I have read the book. Read Dynamite Kid's book too man it is a real insight into what was going on during the 80's. The point that I am trying to make is that WWE is being blamed for the staggering numbers. The majority of these deaths are from the indy circuits. Is there a problem? No doubt about it, but it goes much deeper than the WWE. WWE gets the blame when these guys die. Even the guys that Mutt mentioned were no longer affiliated with WWE when they died. The wrestling industry is brutal. These guys take bumps everyday. It takes a toll on your body and unfortunately a great many of them turn to pain medication and steroids to prevent or help cope with the pain, all so that they can continue to work. A hurt wrestler is of no value to any company. It is a tough industry.
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2005/11/16, 05:11 AM
just because they eventually leave the industry, doesn't mean wrestlering wasn't primarily responsible for the deaths...something gotta give when they leave wrestling and then die few years later...or even 10 years later...
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2005/11/16, 07:43 AM
Wrestling is not responsible for their deaths. The individual is responsible. When do we start holding the individuals accountable for their actions?
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2005/11/16, 12:59 PM
Well if you're in the wrestling industry then you gotta be using roids in probably 90 % of the time thats how they put bread on the table and remember that their world consists of drugs and partying etc. So yeah the individual is responsible but you gotta see that wrestling has a huge influence, you gotta ask yourself would you like to see wrestling like WWE and now that those people are using their lives to entertain us??
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2005/11/16, 01:02 PM
sorry meant, know that the are risking their lives to entertain us??
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2005/11/16, 01:14 PM
NO one can make you do something you dont want to PERIOD. You can't put the blame on someone else for ANYTHING. If you want to take the risk of taking steroids or any other harmful drugs you will have to pay for it in the long run.
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2005/11/16, 01:18 PM
I agree man but remember, this all these guys do, to be succesfull they have to take risks!!! And yeah it's there choice but what if none of them took roids you think they would still entertain half of the world, this is a multi million dollar industry and we watch it and enjoy it so we are incouraging them to be better and bigger for US
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2005/11/16, 01:30 PM
I see what your saying kinda, but if they choose to do it and they die an early death, Who cares! They are the ones who did it to themselves. They aren't getting any sympathy from me.
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I agree man but remember, this all these guys do, to be succesfull they have to take risks!!! And yeah it's there choice but what if none of them took roids you think they would still entertain half of the world, this is a multi million dollar industry and we watch it and enjoy it so we are incouraging them to be better and bigger for US
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2005/11/16, 02:12 PM
Did I mention that Eddie Guerrero did not die due to steroid use?
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2005/11/16, 02:28 PM
I was just speaking in general, I dont know what wrestlers take steriods. Just my 2 cents
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2005/11/14, 10:51 AM
Hate to hear those type of stories for anyone. Yes prays to his family and of course Gods love for him.
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2005/11/14, 08:55 AM
I don't know if anyone else cares, or even knows him. He was a WWE wrestler, one of my favorites. Fakeness aside he had very real athletic talent. Any way this past Sunday he was found dead in ahotel. My thoughts and prayers got out to all his family right now.
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2005/11/14, 12:31 PM
I read that yesterday. Sorry to hear anyone passes.
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2005/11/15, 12:43 PM
Gangster, I would be interesed to know where you come up with that figure. Is there any substance behind it? The cause of death has not been determined at this point. I dont know if he was on the juice or not. I do know that he was a recovering alcoholic and he was addicted to pain medication. He had been drug free for four years. Perhaps the toll his body took due to his career was too much, I dont know. I just hate it that whenever a wrestler dies everybody assumes that they were on steroids. How about we let the autosy conclude how he died. He was a great athlete and a wonderful entertainer.
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2005/11/15, 01:04 PM
The results of the autopsy were posted on WWE.com:
Vickie Guerrero speaks on Eddie's autopsy report
Nov. 15, 2005
After the untimely passing of Eddie Guerrero, WWE and the entire sports-entertainment community is still reeling from the devastating loss of a champion. The initial autopsy reports on Guerrero have come in. WWE.com spoke with Eddie’s widow, Vickie Guerrero, earlier today.
“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.
As soon as they saw his heart, they saw the lining of his heart already had the heart disease. There was no trauma, and Eddie hadn’t hurt himself in any way. It answered a lot of questions. I knew Eddie wasn’t feeling very good for the last week. He was home and kept saying he wasn’t feeling good and we thought it was just “road tired.” So we thought he just had to rest. It answered a lot of my questions, too, because he was just so exhausted. She said it was normal because the heart was working so hard.
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2005/11/15, 01:27 PM
here are some links, but they don't show the 42 statistic. I'll have to dig for that alittle longer and see if I can come up with it again.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-pro-wrestling_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-wrestling-list_x.htm
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2005/11/15, 01:37 PM
Yeah it's really sad to see anyone die let alone a young fit athlete let alone if he had "juiced" or not, I think in his case it was more the drugs which I'm proud to have read he had admitted to and been clean for 4 years! thats a pretty good lesson not to use stuff figuring you'll stop after a year or whatever!! THE DAMAGE IS DONE!!
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2005/11/14, 08:50 PM
It was probably steroid related.. what I read said they dont expect any fowl play.. just my opinion though
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2005/11/14, 08:54 PM
Well last friday night on smackdown he sis one of those metal chair shots. I thought it went off a bit.. Maybe a blood clot?
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2005/11/14, 08:57 PM
could be, I guess we will find out soon enough.
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2005/11/15, 05:02 AM
my guess would be steroids...i suspect quite a few of those guys take steroids.....
very sad....always a shame when a young person dies in the prime of life....will be especially sad if it is steroid related...
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2005/11/15, 06:47 AM
i heard it had to do with heart failure steroids can lead to that btw his pretty good athlete
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2005/11/15, 10:24 AM
wrestling stars have an average life span of 42 years of age due to their abuse of steriods and pain killers. Alot of them die in a hotel room with no one around to care. It's sad really, when you look at the life of some wrestlers and try to understand why?
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2005/11/17, 03:47 PM
I agree with you hec about the steriods not being a direct cause, but I think the muscle/body size he gained from the steriods did cut down his lifespan a bit because of the added strain put on his heart for blood flow.
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2005/11/18, 08:36 AM
Mr Kennedy used to be a trainer at the same gym I was a trainer at. He was the last guy to wrestle Guerrera (he delivered that chair shot). Knowing Ken, i doubt he did anything wrong, he is very professional and careful when wrestling, knows his shit, but I am sure it is a head trip to have been the last one to have a match with Eddie. I think it is important to stress that it is nobody's fault that Guerrera died, except perhaps Guerrera's past choices. However, heart disease can strike anyone, no matter how healthy or unhealthy.
It is unfortunate that these guys need to be freaky big to get into the business, but it is their choice and they are rewarded by the public. It is a duel standard, just like bodybuilding, people talk down steroids, but the bigger and freakier a guy is the wilder the crowd goes.
Steroid use is a personal choice, and obviously it can have a very high price, but most things that kill us are due to poor personal choices (obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, drinking, driving without a seat belt, risky sexual behavior...).
I echo Mutt in sending out prayers to Eddie's family, as well as to Ken and all the people who worked with Eddie.
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2005/11/18, 08:51 AM
You know asimmer I thought the same thing. He must be so broken up about that. I never intened to say he did anything wrong, just all it takes it one inch off with those chair shots and you are messed up. I was just trying to offer a reasonable explanation for it. Did any of you watch RAW this week? I cried the whole time. All the guys were crying, Big Show was totaly broken up, as was Benoit, Shawn Michaels, HHH, and others. It was very heartbreaking to see that.
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2005/11/18, 03:32 PM
I saw the show. It was a very heart felt show. It was good to hear some of the wrestlers talk about Eddie the person. I have been a wrestling fan for many years and Eddie was one of the best. Although it was mostly due to his past choices in life, it is still a horrible tragedy. The Smackdown show was taped the same night as Raw so it should also be very emotional. I will see it tonight also.
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2005/11/18, 06:18 PM
In working in WWE promotions for 2 years and working with some big names(sorry for the name-dropping), I found that ALOT of the wrestlers were addicted to painkillers. I'm NOT condoning abusing painkillers but these guys wrestle almost every single day...imagine the toll that takes on your body. One fact is that you don't see too many "natural" WWE wrestlers nowadays either. I've met Eddie a couple of times...he trained out of Long Island for years in an indy camp a few miles from my house. He was a really nice guy who really turned his life around;considering where he came from. But it caught up with him.:love:
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2005/11/20, 11:02 AM
its still trajic regardless of the circumstances.
R.I.P
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