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2006/08/27, 01:53 AM
ok, so i was wondering if i could get some feedback on this. this is related to the post i made about my new cutting diet plan to do and after more thinking, planning, tweaking, i had a few ideas and questions...i think what i was/am planning on doing is close to what bb1 has posted in his "diet thread" except for the fact i will be eating a complex carb pre workout only...
i went on a diet, well, started eating right, last year (aug 2005) and i ate 1,200 cal a day )i weighed 180 then) and did 2 hours of cardio a day...lost weight....
now...i kinda stopped the exercise (not the weight training, just the cardio frequence...i wasnt as "religious" with it) but, since i was new to it (especially new to nutrition) i never changed my calorie levels...and more or less, continues eating about 1,200 calories.....until march when i started eating abut 1,400-1,500
then, weight loss slowed and i got annoyed, so i slashed calories even lower to 1,000-1,100 per day...and a least a half hour to an hour of exercise (usually more like two half hour sessions) and still didnt lose much...also, i was eating between 25 and 60 grams of carbs a day
now, i did manage to lose a few more pounds (finally) at a slower rate....
this is how i was eating until a couple weeks ago
a little over a week ago, i stopped hoping to do a "metabolic reset" but i have been eating approx. 2,000+ calories per day and am bloated of course (lots of carbs) so i weigh about 25 pounds heavier from the bloating....(weight 145 in the morning on an empty stomach before i stopped this low calorie eating, and now i weight 171)-thats a lot of bloating
now, i hope to start training again this week, but i am not sure the best way to go about it...
i was thinking i should just start eating right again....i est. 1,800 cal this time since i think i threw my body ito a stupid starvation response...and start doing two cardio sessions per day...one in the morning for an hour, and one after weight training for 45 min....in more of an attempt to burn it off rather than starve it off...
so my question is does anyone have any tis for this? i dont want to gain a lot of weight suddenly after being on a 1,100 cal a day diet...but i guess i cant slowly intorduce calories since i have already been eating quite a bit of calories (and carbs) for the past week....so i want to just get started again and lose it...
i plan to do a tkd type diet...high protein, low carb, and my diet will be mostly protein, efa's, and veggies, with a complex carb pre weight training only....dropping out the complex carb on non weight training days so its like a carb cycle (i dont want my body to become even more carb sensitive, and i have never really carb cycled before)....and i plan to do a plan like this for 8 weeks, and then do a "proper" metabolic reset for about a week, and then repeat until satisfaction as i am sure i will still have more i want to lose after only 8 weeks...after that i hope to finally be able to shift to a maintenance diet (which i have never done so i dont even know my maintance calories...but i was maintaining -not gaining or losing- at 1,200 or so all year.....
any thoughts would be greatly apperciated! ;)
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2006/08/27, 02:12 AM
Chances are you have "reset" metabolism with the uptick in calories. Procedure now would be a sensible, realistic course so you do not end up back in the same predicament.
I would suggest instead of starting out TKD, go with a simple calorie cut for about 2 times. Then go for the TKD which will induce a better response. Starting a TKD right off the bat kind of leaves one to no wiggle room if you get what I mean.
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2006/08/27, 02:21 AM
thanks...so you suggest i start eating more "normal" , such as carbs with first two meals say....and then do the tkd and drop out some cards later on after trying this for 8 weeks?
also, by simple calorie cut, what do you mean by that? is 1,800 a simple cut, it is approx. my bodyweight x12....and i'm not sure what you mean by "2 times" is that weeks? like two weeks at "normal carbs (say 100grams) for two weeks, and then procede to a tkd for 8? that sounds like it would be the best approach to me in my situation if i am right that is...
also, have you posted a thread on here related to low calorie metabolism effects?
thanks for your help :big_smile:
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2006/08/27, 02:23 AM
1 last thing:
in terms of the water weight...i have gotten very good at forcing my body to drop it very quickly, usually about 2-3 days depending on how many i ate and how bloated...
would u suggest i try to lose all this water weight first (post poning training and diet for those days while i lose it), before starting this new plan or should i just start he new plan and let the water weight take care of itself?
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2006/08/27, 02:28 AM
I was meaning 2 calorie cuts, that is cutting calories twice before starting the TKD. Say, 250 per day for a couple weeks, let that run its course, then another 250 after that slows, then switch to the TKD.
So, how many calories are you eating right now, and what is your bodyweight? Activity level right now?
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2006/08/27, 02:30 AM
ANd don't worry about the water weight, it is trivial. It will shed itself as you lose. Focusing on that will just make you do things that usually aren't conducive to your overall weight loss. Lower carbs for instance will make you shed water quickly anyway, and this is where the majority of your calorie cuts will come from.
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2006/08/27, 02:47 AM
yeah i see what you mean, i never focused on the water weight when i first started...
right now, i am just eating whatever i want but i am trying to eat at least 6-7 tmes a day and i still drink about 2 protein shakes a day but iam not counting calories by any means and i'm not sure what they are (today for example, i ate approx. 2,000 but then i aslo had some chinese food for dinner i dont know the counts of and some cookies someone gave me for my bday, and today i will be eating some more bday cookies so i dont know the counts but i am trying to get about 2,000-3,000 each day and i have...i mean, i havent eaten like 5,000 calories or anything in an overeating amnnor like that...
before that....i was 1,100 cal. approx. 165 gr of protein, 54 gr carbs, and 15-20 gram of efa's ever day...weight training 4 days a week and cardio was (on a good day) 2 sessions of 35 min 5-6 times a week....also in my activity level i generally walk around all day at work so i am failry active (not a desk job)
now, what you say does sound reasonabe to me, only thing that left me confused was 250 cal cutting day? that seems like a lot....if i start at 1,800 and cut that much cal in a day, i will be at a very low cal count by the end of two weeks wouldnt i? i have never done that type of "calorie cycling" do you think you could lay out a little sample of what this might look that that would be great
or were you suggesting i eat 1,800 for 2 weeks (or maybe 4?), then lower to about 1,550 for another 204 weeks, and then do the tkd?
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2006/08/27, 02:48 AM
also, i plan t0 start off with 1 hr cardio in the morning, and 35-45 min post weight training or mid afternoon non weight traning days....6 days per week
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2006/08/27, 03:07 AM
Good carbs like celery and carrots will never make you fat. Bad carbs like cake will, but you don't need to know the whole science of glycemic index and load. It is mostly NOT your fault, if you need to lose weight. The way we have been taught to eat is responsible for making obesity the number one health problem in the world (according to Atlantic Monthly magazine) replacing hunger and infectious disease. You need to re-learn how to eat so you can become thin. Not a diet, but diet lifestyle.
Find out about fastest way to lose weight, gradual ways to lose weight, most effective exercise, good and bad carbs and anti-water. Lose bodyfat and retained water which also makes you a lot fatter (bloated). Links page has gov. BMI calculater to find out just how much overweight you are (teens plug in your age to compare to others your age). Most important-- make sure to read the last "fat loss tip", first before anything else, to see the number one food that causes Americans to be fat.
http://phifoundation.org
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2006/08/27, 05:33 AM
also, bb1, i forgot to mention, when i originally started "dieting" well, cutting a year ago, i my macros were set at 45% protein, 33% carbs, and 22% fat and i ate carbs (complex) for my first two meals of the day and a banan post weight training....this worked well and i lost a good amount of fat (and even managed to put on some muscle even with the 2 hours of cardio a day) and this wasnt my first intorduction to weight training either (wasnt a total newbie).
so based on that, i would guess im not too carb sensitive (still lost weight eating at least 100 g per day)...and easy to keep off too. would u reccommend since it worked for me again, that i do that again? i was really hoping to do a protein/fat diet, but if you suggest its not the best thing for my metabolism, and i should work into a protein fat diet, i'll do that instead...i was also thinking a 50/20/30 as a kind of protein/fat diet and since im eating 1,800 , that would be 90 gr per day....but im not sure if i should cycle the carbs or not either (lower on off days)
ok, well, i wanna be back in the gym hopefully tomorrow so before i write my plan up any final thoughts of yours would be great :)
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2006/08/27, 11:31 AM
First and foremost, to get this thing working, you have to know your maintenance calories. YOu cannot guess at your intake, research shows over and over again most folks tend to underestimate their calories by as much as 50%. They are truly amazed at their intake when they are honest and write it down.
Ok, next step, you do not automatically go to 1800 if you find yourself maintaining now on say 2500. A 10% decrease, maybe 15% tops willl not shock your body into anything nuts. So, again, a 250 cal. per day drop. This is not much at all. If you eat 5 meals, it simply means for instance shaving 50 calories off each meal, you get the picture. That is only for instance 1/2 slice of most breads.
A good way to approach your calorie cuts till you start the TKD is start shaving carbs off your last couple meals. Then, shave again from them, raise your fats a bit to take up some slack, you will eventually go from carbs at last meals to none in your last meal, none in the prior meal, etc. till you are just at carbs around your workout.
Voila'...TKD!
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2006/08/27, 03:18 PM
yes i know what u mean...but ive been eating 100 -1100 up until not, and the past week ive been eating 2500+ every da...if cont like this i know i will gain weight which i do easily....
so i think i understand what youre saying now: youre suggesting that i rather than drop right down, go to 2250 cal to start for a week (based on my past and the cal. i can assume this is maint. because when i ate this much i lost when cardio was increased, and stayed the same when cardio was decrased), thn down to 2,000 for the second week, then down to 1800 the next week, and cont to remain at 1800 for he duration of the diet....and next, instead of dropping out more calories once i am at 1800, i would simply drop out a few complex carbs (while increasing protein and/or fats slightly) and continue to do that until i reach my desired bodyfat levels....of course, i will be keeping cardio consistent 1-2 hours a day 6 days a week. so by the time i get to 1800 i should be at my max deficet only at that time i will have a much faster metabolism...is this correct? :big_smile:
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2006/08/27, 04:05 PM
You got the gist of it. Though one week at 10% may not be enough. I would suggest 2 weeks at this level, then make your next cut. Play it "by ear" so to speak. The idea is to allow each calorie cut to work. A timetable is not important, as a calorie deficit needs time to work, and your body will not lose fat in any linear manner anyway. Don't get discouraged doing this, as I mentioned, it is rarely linear and you may go a couple weeks seeing nothing. Then you will get maybe a 3 lb. drop all at once.
As far as cardio, if you are maintaining at what you say you are at with the current energy expenditure, I would not increase it quite yet. Save that for when things stall a bit. If you do cardio too much too quickly, it is like cutting calories too low, you have nowhere to turn to increase energy expenditure. One can only do so much exercise. :big_smile:
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2006/08/27, 04:17 PM
awesome :big_smile: thanks alot, i'll be doing just what you said :)
it does make the most sense to me, i guess i might not lose any weight the first two weeks since my metabolism is still "catching up" and leveling off, so to speak...currently, i am doing no cardio...but up until a week and ahalf ago, i was doing at least 1 hour a day (2 session of 35 min)....so, my body is used to having one hour of cardio a day....so would you suggest i start out with 1 cardio session per day lasting 1 hour (in the morning, not same time as weight training)....and then gradually ncrease to 1 hr and a half, then 2 hours...
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2006/08/27, 04:38 PM
No, I would do at the most right now just what you are currently doing energy wise. Let the diet do its work the first couple weeks. Just do your weight training, in a couple weeks add in cardio, but not to any extreme. Just walking for instance, steady state for 45 minutes or so would be fine. As you progress, in the diet, start to change your workout to superset type stuff, keeping weights heavy as you can, amd then increase your cardio. You have to do this in order, or the body will react to overdoing(too much calorie expenditure), and you will be right back where you started. A steady progression is the way to go. Try not to get too impatient, this leads to drastic changes, which will lead to drastic consequences.
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2006/08/27, 04:40 PM
As you go you will need the change in weight training I mentioned and cardio uptick to enhance your calorie deficit. At some point, you cannot cut calories anymore, and adding energy expenditure is the way to go to continue the deficit. Make sense?
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2006/08/27, 09:30 PM
yea, i see what you mean. thanks :)
i was just a little woried that doing this would be a "set back" because i was doing cardio twice a day and supersetting already! :dumbbell:
but it sounds like i needed to stop, and now restart, only this time, start properly....in the way youre decribing....slowly...instead of starting off "full blast"...this way i can avoid hitting a huge plateau...like i am in now...:(
i guess starting off a bit slowly like youre describing will keep me from hitting that plateau...only prob will be fighting how anxious i am to get started again! :angry:
thanks a lot! :big_smile:
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2006/08/27, 11:27 PM
I know how difficult it is to be slow. We live in such a right now fast food type world. Results will be much better if you can proceed slowly, and will last. You will save so much more muscle, burn more fat, and be leaner and harder. Get in too big a hurry, and in a couple months you will be back on here looking for help all over again. Keep blinders on, keep the endgame in front of you at all times.
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2006/08/28, 01:13 AM
yeah, i hope so :big_smile: thanks :cool:
any way i can avoid my body "suddenly storing nutrients" when i start eating more calries? or will it just "work itself out"? esp. since im not jumping right into cardio and only weight training and eating 2,200 or so calories...i assume if im eating that many, and doing weights 4 times a week before adding cardio etc, i shoulldnt "gain" anything since 2,200 shouldnt be enough to make me gain...gain fat anyways
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2006/08/28, 03:42 AM
also, before i get started, i was hoping you might give my diet a quick critique...i dont know if i should have the banana after weight training or not, and i couldnt seem to get my calorie intake much higher (unless i add in maybe some protein since i dont think more carbs will help me)....also, would you reccommend i keep these numbers/intakes consistent, rather than "cyclng" carbs/calories? although, im not sure i need that many carbs on days i am just sitting around the house :big_smile: so i was thinking maybe drop the baked/sweet potato those days? heres how it looks so far, i could get it to roughly 2,000...
Meal 1:
Protein shake
Half cup oats
Blueberries or strawberries
Totals: cal 392 pro 47 carbs 38 fats 5.5
Meal 2:
(pre workout)
4 oz chicken breast (or egg whites)
3 oz baked potato
2 cups broccoli
1 slice smart beat cheese
1 teasp smart bal butter
2 tbl sp salsa
totals: cal 313 pro 33 carbs 35 fats 2.6
meal 3:
(post workout)
protein shake
1 small banana
totals: cals 318 pro 43 carbs 29 fat 3
meal 4:
1 can tuna (or egg whites)
2 tbl sp fat free smart beat mayo
2 cups veggies (usually raw green beans)
walnuts
2 tbl sp salsa
1 tbl sp smart balance natty pb
totals: cal 387 pro 40.5 carbs 26.5 fat 13.5
meal 5:
1 can salmon
2 cups veggies
2 cups romaine or spinach salad
1 tbl sp smart balance omega oil blend as efa’s (14 gr efas)
totals: cals 361 pro 29.5 carbs 14 fat 16.5
meal 6:
1 can tuna
2 cups veggies (usually broccoli)
2 tbl sp fat free mayo
4 pills of omega 3
totals: cals 260 pro 34.5 carbs 12 fat 5.5
days totals:
cals 1,992 pro 226 (45%) carbs 151.5 (30%) fats 46.6 (21%)
i dont know why the numbers come out to that, but thats what i go on the calc....this is similar to what i originally did (a 45/33/22 which worked pretty good, though only now its more calories) - i hope to use this until eventually i drop them out to the tkd at a 50/20/30, but that be for a bit...
seems like quite a bit of carbs??? maybe drop the banana? or have half a banan instead...
i'd apperciate any critiques as i'm anxious to get back into the game! :dumbbell: thanks a lot:big_smile:
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2006/08/28, 03:45 AM
frgot to list:
other:
creatine 5 gr/day
glutamine 20 gr/day
bcaa
vit c 5 gr/day
multi vit
potassium 3x99mg
nox cg3 (pre workout, has some fiber grams in it too and 50 cals)
and lots of other single vitamins
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2006/08/28, 04:08 AM
heres what the free trainers site came up with...the only thing i really agree with is the calorie intake...my fat intake is quite a bit higher than theires tho....
Your Current FreeTrainers.com Personal Nutritional Profile - quick summary
Individual Metabolic Rate -
Slow - difficulty losing fat
Current Activity Level -
Medium - moderate
Selected Nutritional Goal -
Fat Loss and Toning
Personal Nutritional Profile - Calculated Daily Requirements
Protein -
150 g .. maximum 10% variance is acceptable
Carbohydrates -
300 g .. maximum 10% variance is acceptable
Fats -
24 g .. maximum 10% variance is acceptable
Total Calories -
1998 .. calculated maximum, do not exceed for current goal
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2006/08/28, 04:14 AM
sorry for all the posts :( but one last thing *big breath* also, like most bulking type prgrams, i have found that i tend to gain when my fat intake and carb intake both are up....but, also, i was eating 1500 then...not 2000 ...but i was eating about the same amount of carbs and fat as i have in my diet now...only less protein...and i ained weight....so, obviously, i dont want that to happen again...but, my protein was lower, it was almost the same as the carbs (about 150 for each) and then into the 40s for fat...do you suppose thats what caused the weight gain, the equal protein/carbs with that amount of fat, so i shouldnt have to worry about gaining weight this time? (i was also doing cardio about 4 days a week then too, still gained)
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2006/08/28, 11:21 AM
Actually looks like a nicely thought out diet. 1900 cal. should suffice, that is down from your current amount. If it is 10%, or even 15%, it will be fine. Go no more than that right now. See how you feel in a week. Then we will proceed. Weigh yourself first thing in the morning today(or the day you start), and then again in one week same time, after relieving yourself. The scale is just a tool to use to see things going in the right direction. But go more by how your clothes are fitting, how you appear to yourself in the mirror...use one mirror only, all mirrors are untrue, and some will make you look bigger, some smaller. If you use the same one, even if it is "off", you will still be able to use it as a guage.
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also, before i get started, i was hoping you might give my diet a quick critique...i dont know if i should have the banana after weight training or not, and i couldnt seem to get my calorie intake much higher (unless i add in maybe some protein since i dont think more carbs will help me)....also, would you reccommend i keep these numbers/intakes consistent, rather than "cyclng" carbs/calories? although, im not sure i need that many carbs on days i am just sitting around the house :big_smile: so i was thinking maybe drop the baked/sweet potato those days? heres how it looks so far, i could get it to roughly 2,000...
Meal 1:
Protein shake
Half cup oats
Blueberries or strawberries
Totals: cal 392 pro 47 carbs 38 fats 5.5
Meal 2:
(pre workout)
4 oz chicken breast (or egg whites)
3 oz baked potato
2 cups broccoli
1 slice smart beat cheese
1 teasp smart bal butter
2 tbl sp salsa
totals: cal 313 pro 33 carbs 35 fats 2.6
meal 3:
(post workout)
protein shake
1 small banana
totals: cals 318 pro 43 carbs 29 fat 3
meal 4:
1 can tuna (or egg whites)
2 tbl sp fat free smart beat mayo
2 cups veggies (usually raw green beans)
walnuts
2 tbl sp salsa
1 tbl sp smart balance natty pb
totals: cal 387 pro 40.5 carbs 26.5 fat 13.5
meal 5:
1 can salmon
2 cups veggies
2 cups romaine or spinach salad
1 tbl sp smart balance omega oil blend as efa’s (14 gr efas)
totals: cals 361 pro 29.5 carbs 14 fat 16.5
meal 6:
1 can tuna
2 cups veggies (usually broccoli)
2 tbl sp fat free mayo
4 pills of omega 3
totals: cals 260 pro 34.5 carbs 12 fat 5.5
days totals:
cals 1,992 pro 226 (45%) carbs 151.5 (30%) fats 46.6 (21%)
i dont know why the numbers come out to that, but thats what i go on the calc....this is similar to what i originally did (a 45/33/22 which worked pretty good, though only now its more calories) - i hope to use this until eventually i drop them out to the tkd at a 50/20/30, but that be for a bit...
seems like quite a bit of carbs??? maybe drop the banana? or have half a banan instead...
i'd apperciate any critiques as i'm anxious to get back into the game! :dumbbell: thanks a lot:big_smile:
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2006/08/28, 11:24 AM
YOur macros are fine where they are, don't overthink too much. Bottom line, are calories below/under maintenance. The macro amounts will work themselves out...i.e...will be changing as we make calorie cuts. Your protein will go up, your carbs down some, and fat up a tad. But don't fret over that stuff right now, you are fine.
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2006/08/28, 12:44 PM
ok, thanks, i plan to start tomorrow :)
yeah, i do weigh myself like you said, but im still 20+ pounds over due to all the carbs ive been eating :(
i'll post in a week or so and let ya know how it's working out :cool::dumbbell:
i think i will probably add in cardio after one week, because some days, unless i go to the gym, i get like no exercise at all...and i can see that will be setting myself up for weight gain
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2006/08/28, 12:45 PM
and after bein on that starvation diet, i think sitting around the house eating 2,000 cal with no exercise most days, will cause a big weight gain lol
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2006/08/28, 02:16 PM
Yep, it sure will. However, the point of all of this is you say you have been doing this for 2 weeks now with no weight gain? Did I read that correct? If so, then you have "plateaued" and are certainly at your maintenance levels. Consider 15 cal. per lb. of bodyweight average maintenance for most who lift regularly. (this by itself does not put one in the active category). So, the object again is to proceed from where you currently are maintaining with your calorie cuts. 10-15%. This will slowly take your body down. It is not the amount of carbs, forget that crap. It is exceeding overall calories needed that make one fat! Get the idea that carbs are evil out of your head. Just make good food choices, and keep calories where they should be for your given day.
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2006/08/28, 04:20 PM
for the past almost 2 weeks, i have been eating about 2,500 or so calories sometimes less....with NO exercise....no cardo, no weight training, in fact, i didnt even leave the house for quite a few of those days....and i think that i have gained a couple punds that i can already see...:( which is why i am very anxious to get back into the gym and get cardio started immediatly before i really start to put all the weight i lose back on....thats me problem.:( i know that my body gains weight very easily unfortunatley...so i hope, that eating 2,000 cal and noc ardio doesnt allow me to put it back on...cuz think about it....if i eat 2,000 cal. and my only form of exercise for the day is a 45 min weight training session...might not do the trick....i WAS maintining at 1,200 cals a day with at least 35 min of cardio...thats why i was worried i might suddenly have a "rebound" weight gain after coming off the 1,200 cal diet...so i was hoping to "eat maint." and just "burn it all off" with cardio (like when i joined the gym originlly, i was told to do 1-2 hr of cardio a daythe first day i started)...or at least some form of cardio...i dotn have any cardio anywhere else in my daily routine, like i said, if i dont go to the gym, i just walk around at work, or sit in the house, and that will cause weight gain....
and i have already been going 2 whole weeks with no cardio....perhaps introduce cardio immediatley, only for a half hour tho, so i can work up? or would you suggest wait 1 week....cuz without the cardio i might not get enough exercise...i take approx. 10,000 steps a day based on my pedometer, on a work day....on a day i am not working, i take much less....
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2006/08/28, 04:25 PM
thats why originally when i asked i was planning on just getting started eating more, and exercising more...just basically eating more "suddenly" , but combating any weight gain by hitting the gym more and just burning it all off...cuz i thought those two things enhanced each other...so eating more food and doin more cardio cuz i wasnted to just burn it off (like eat maint. and just use exercise to burn it off) so i dont have to worry about diet anymore ya know....im sooo scik of dieting which ive been trying to do all year, i just wanna maintain already, but before i can that i need to get to whre i wanna maintain, and im not...
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2006/08/29, 01:31 AM
OK :)
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2006/08/29, 03:23 AM
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Yep, it sure will.
- yeah, just basically, i wanna know if you have a tip to keep me from a "sudden rebound weight gain" or my body trying to store incase of another "famine" etc....or do you think it will just work itself out, if i do the above adive, which i plan to...going shopping for the food today and such...thats why i was asking to be sure....cuz i dont have a lot of money to spend, and certainly not enough to spend for "trial and error"...ya know...dont wanna spend money to gain weight :S
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2006/08/30, 04:44 PM
quoting :a little over a week ago, i stopped hoping to do a "metabolic reset" but i have been eating approx. 2,000+ calories per day and am bloated of course (lots of carbs) so i weigh about 25 pounds heavier from the bloating....(weight 145 in the morning on an empty stomach before i stopped this low calorie eating, and now i weight 171)-thats a lot of bloating :
How is that possible 25 lbs in a week?
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2006/08/30, 07:41 PM
thats why i wanted to do a tkd type diet...cuz i wanna lose it faster so i just dont see a need to eat that many carbs when im not weight training, and with breakfast when im not going to train after than, and just pile more carbs on top of it before i do weight train...
i wanted to start like a tkd type diet right away or at least a version, like bb1's protein/vegge/fat diet, cuz i had actually done that for a week and a half before i came off my diet, and i could see it working already on the 1,100 cals...so i will prob be dropping carbs out within the next couple weeks to do a tkd....
yeah, i know, but its true....i ate a lot of carbs...i ate one bowl of ice cream, stepped on the scale, and was 10 pounds heavier....and then, after a few days, it was up there...this morning on an empty stomach i was 168 before eating...but right now for example, its still telling me im 170...and on aug. 16th, in the morning, on an empty stomach, i weighed myself, and was 145....now my clothes are tight :(
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How is that possible 25 lbs in a week?
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2006/08/30, 07:48 PM
do you think switching in a few weeks (so i'm not dropping cals/carbs too fast) to the type of diet bb1 wrote about is his other post would be a good idea for me? the protein/fat diet...cuz i know i react well to a protein/fat diet...i dont wanna hit another plateau, but it looks like it would provide rapid fat loss, which is what i want, and since i only want to lose about 22 pounds, i should be able to lose that in the 8-10 weeks of following a protein/fat/veggie diet before i hit a plateau wouldnt u think?
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