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2006/09/13, 02:15 PM
My daughter had a headache today and stayed home from school.
Unfortunately, there was a shooting at her school today and people were injured. She could have been one of them, but the headache kept her away! God bless everyone!
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada (City of festivals)
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2006/09/13, 02:23 PM
Wow, im glad she is ok, and i hope everyone involved turns out to be ok also. God has funny ways of interacting in people life. I had 3 friends from the town of millbury massachusetts ( my home town ) perish in the Rhode island night club fire in 2003, they went to see one of our favorite bands from the 80's Great White, if i had not stepped on a ujoint cap at work and rolled my ankle, me and 2 more friends would have been at the show with them......... :surprised:
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2006/09/13, 02:28 PM
Wow, sometimes there just is no explanation for things happening the way they do. Thank goodness for you and your daughter that she was kept away from school.
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2006/09/13, 02:33 PM
Whew... hope all is okay there.
t
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I am training for birthdays.
Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
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2006/09/13, 02:35 PM
Oh carivan...I'm so sorry...that must have been terrifying for you...that is one scarey situation...so glad to hear your baby girl is home and safe...I would say God bless to you and yours...but it seems you already have been.
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2006/09/13, 03:15 PM
Ivan, I feel your pain. This stuff is just getting way out of control. I am sorry to hear that other parents children were injured during this horrific event! I am grateful to hear that your daughter was at home safe with a headache coming out of this.
Last semester, my daughter called me frantic from high school, there were threats that there was going to be a shoot out at her school at lunchtime, i left work immediately and took her and as many friends that could fit in my vehicle home to my house and picked up my other daughter from junior high. the police luckily caught the guys with the guns (how they got there was beyond me since they actually have police onsite at schools and go through scanners)before anyone was hurt.
What can families do today to prevent these types of events from happening? So far the only solution is homeschooling, but with that our children cannot learn effectively and function with others.
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Bettia.... You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.
-Mark Twain
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2006/09/13, 03:57 PM
OMG, I didn't even hear of this until I read your message...what happened to Canada being a safe place to live?? Thank God you're daughter was at home, even with that I'm sure she's a bit traumatized. I keep telling my daughters that these shootings are usually isolated incidents involving people who know each other, just so that my kids don't feel unsafe, but jeez, it's getting harder to give that story-especially living near Toronto. It's just unbelievable! I'll make sure I give my kids an extra big hug tonight!
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2006/09/13, 04:08 PM
Doesn't sound good right now.
Glad your daughter had a heachache, Ivan. I can only imagine how she and her fellow students and teachers will feel once this all sinks in.
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I am training for birthdays.
Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
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2006/09/13, 04:26 PM
WOW....just read up on this on the internet....very scarey...sends chills down your spine...my heart goes out to all the families there in Montreal.
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2006/09/13, 08:22 PM
An update....
The gunman was killed by police, and one student has died.
Thanks for listening.
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada (City of festivals)
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2006/09/13, 09:17 PM
That is crazy! I grew up in a very small town, and that kind of stuff was unheard of when i was growing up. I no longer live there anymore, however I hear stories from my family, and times are definately changing. I have a brother that is quite younger than me and is in highschool, and even in a small town, there has been incidents where students have brought guns to school, and have threatened other students!
Where are these kids getting these guns! Its sad, some of the parents out there are just horrible!
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2006/09/13, 10:41 PM
I couldn't beleive it when I read it earlier today. Another school shooting in Canada. When will this insanity stop?
The Canadian gun laws seem to be effective at keeping guns out of the hands of honest citizens, criminals apparently have no problem getting whatever they want. Sorry, it was a rough weekend in Edmonton, 2 fatal stabbings and 3 people shot this weekend.
Ivan, I can "almost" relate to how you are feeling tonight. In March this year there was a drug/gang related murder just across the street from my daughters junior high school. According to witnesses, the gunman ran within meters of the gym where she and the rest of her cheer team were practicing after school. I picked her up shortly afterwards, it was upsetting for sure, knowing that if things were slightly different, the outcome would/could have been different.
Give your daughter an extra hug this evening.
Iain
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The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking.
Albert Einstein (1879–1955)
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2006/09/13, 11:06 PM
So much for our gun registry.
This just makes me sad.
t
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I am training for birthdays.
Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
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2006/09/14, 08:23 AM
Update....
6 people aged 17-48 are in critical condition, and 2 are very criticle. Turns out the shooter was into Vampires and Goth.
I won't post any more info here as it really isn't appropriate for the site, but if anyone is interested they can go to cjad.com (local Radio).
Thanks for all your support!
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada (City of festivals)
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2006/09/14, 08:34 AM
The situation is horrible, i just heard about it this morning.
Ravenbeauty, we homeschool and my daughter is very well-adjusted socially, is reading and doing most subjects at a high school level (she is in sixth grade) and learns in a comfortable, safe and encouraging environment.
She gets plenty of social time with her neighborhood friends and we spend a lot of time finding cool activities to partake in.
We never run out of field trip money, because we don't have to rent a bus or pay for a whole classroom full of kids who can't afford admission, or pay additional aides to go on trips with us because no parents volunteer.
My Aunt runs the Honors College Program at Ohio University and sees plenty of homeschooled kids coming in with great educational backgrounds and good future prospects.
I think a lot of people don't know enough about homeschooling to comment on it. They don't want to make the necessary cutbacks in their lifestyle that being available to homeschool requires.
I also think that the fact that homeschooling is growing in leaps and bounds shows that it isn't such an odd or direputable option.
I always know who is sitting next to my daughter at lunch and there are no mentally unbalanced kids, waiting to explode, in our classes.
Maybe if more parents were involved with their kids, homeschooled or not, these situations would be less likely to occur.
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What can families do today to prevent these types of events from happening? So far the only solution is homeschooling, but with that our children cannot learn effectively and function with others.
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Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms - to choose ones attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose ones own way.
- Victor E. Frankl
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2006/09/14, 04:49 PM
Sorry to hear that happened so close to home Tim...but glad your daughter is alright.
Asimmer...my wife and I have looked into it and are considering doing it in the next year. My youngest just entered Kindergarten and my oldest is in 4th grade. We're trying to get our finances in order and hopefully one of us will stay home with them in the next 2 years. This has been something we've always wanted to do...but unfortunately got in over our heads too early in life.
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2006/09/14, 05:10 PM
I think homeschooling is admirable...in our case I'm the one home with them...and I can't even help with the math homework....I have great respect for teachers of all kinds...that is one tough job,wether you teach at home or in the classroom...however I don't feel that I am in some way less of a parent to my children ...or putting their lives in jeopardy every day because they go to public school...I know who sits next to my son and daughter at lunch at school as well...alot of the time it's me.I also know who the mentally unbalanced kids are...the ones that are going to explode...then I explain to them what may be going on in terms they can understand.Someone with a mental imbalance could just as easily show up at the park or in the grocery store.To suggest that I don't want to take the time to be a part of my childs life because I don't homeschool is a bit extreme.I understand you were offended,but to turn around and offend the parents that don't homeschool is unfair.You had me when you were talking about how your daughter is excelling...that could have been enough.
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2006/09/14, 06:56 PM
Home schooling is a great idea but up to what point? Unless one is qualified, I don't think it would be all that effective in the college level.
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada (City of festivals)
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2006/09/15, 01:04 PM
I didn't say that you are uninvolved if you don't homeschool, reread my post. i stated that if more people were more involved with their kids, homeschooled or not, there would be less situations like school shootings occuring.
Where did I imply that you are less of a parent, or that you don't take time to be part of your kids' lives for not homeschooling? It is great and admirable that you are involved at school with them, I am just saying that in the schools here, quite often i was the only parent volunteering or showing up for events, etc. It varies from school to school and I know there are a lot of involved parents with kids in the schools (just not in our area).
I also have amother-in-law who was a 5th grade teacher in the local school system (retired this year). If the experiences at our school weren't enough to convice me, her stories were. Do you know which kids are coming from houses where meth amphetamine is being manufactured? Do you know they carry the residues of all those lovely chemicals to school with them?
I am not ultra-paranoid and we try our best to balance saftey, sensibility and skepticism, but I do know that in our area I don't like the schools or the kids and my daughter hated the hour each way to a better school. Homeschooling was a good fit for us.
I think you flared a little prematurely or read into my post, KC. I accused no one of antything, except those responsible for the kids out there who commit such heinious acts of violence.
And you are right, it could happen at McDonalds, it could happens at the grocery store. and you can bet my daughter knows to duck and cover and where/how to seek safety, which is all we really can hope, I guess.
Ivan - many people homeschool up to college level and then their kids go to college and do fine, others allow their kids to decide when they want to re-enter the mainstream - many homeschool kids opt to attend public high school for the social scene. I think it varies individual-to-individual. and, yes, unfortunately there are some people who are 'homeschooling' and not doing it well or at all. It is unfortunate that our civil rights interfere with the education system's ability to monitor it more closely than they do, but their hands are pretty much tied as long as the parent's are reporting progress and the child gets a passing grade of 30% on the standards (I was apalled when I found that out, we really sweated the testing and worried all year about if we would do well enough. 305, sheesh, my dog could probably get 30% on the standards...)
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Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms - to choose ones attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose ones own way.
- Victor E. Frankl
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2006/09/15, 01:11 PM
I understand what you are saying Amy about qualifications etc, but up here (large comopolitan dity) home schooling isn't very popular. There alot of private schools that exist but we don't see home schooling much up in Montreal.
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada (City of festivals)
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2006/09/15, 01:21 PM
I live in a fairly large metro area, homeschooling is popular here, charter schools are numerous (they tend to be more like homeschooling) and private schools are too expensive.... I don't know why it is more popular here - maybe you have a better school system because you have a more balanced social system? Less inane spending on things instead of the basics of education?
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2006/09/15, 02:14 PM
My perception was that you were not happy with someone making an insensitive remark towards home schooling...and to me...it felt like you implied your daughter was safer at home with you...so kids in public school are somehow less safe,therefor you have the upperhand in parenting because you make the sacrifices neccessary to ensure your childs safety,which would mean that I,the parent of public school children,am not providing my children the same.I may have read more into it than you meant.I've reread it...and get the same perception...but this is my personality...I often read things into situations more dramatically than they are intended to be.I feel there are many pros and cons in the homeschooling or classroom setting...and we are all trying to be the best parents we can be in a scarey world.
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2006/09/15, 04:22 PM
Okay all, it was a comment made by me which wasn't in no way to offend anyone. Different situations work for different families, like carivan, we don't have many reputable homeschooling options here.
Amy, you have though, shed a new light on me on how students excel through homeschooling so that is definitely something else I would have to look into more. I can see how some areas have a lot of parental support and some don't, it fluctuates at our school a lot.
I have had the opportunity to meet a couple of families where their children had been homeschooled here and to tell you the truth I wasn't very impressed with their social skills at all. But one thing you said would definitely make a difference, "She gets plenty of social time with her neighborhood friends and we spend a lot of time finding cool activities to partake in.
We never run out of field trip money, because we don't have to rent a bus or pay for a whole classroom full of kids who can't afford admission, or pay additional aides to go on trips with us because no parents volunteer. "
It is just the same as the public schools, what our children become is what we put into them. thanks for shedding some light in that area. :)
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Bettia.... You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.
-Mark Twain
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2006/09/15, 06:02 PM
Read into it any way you want, if that makes you feel better. I am not offended, I just don't like it when people make blanket statements that seem uninformed, I probably am touchy about it because I have had to defend it to people before (my next door neighbor told my daughter that I would go to jail if she didn't pass the tests at the end of the year) (luckily my daughter is smart enough to know that isn't true).
I am not saying anything about your parenting skills. Be involved, that is what is important, and it sounds like you are.
I think socialization/social skills are part nature and part nurture - my daughter has always been social and easy-going with people. My sister's kids are reserved and not very socially interactive, and they attend an excellent school. Go figure.
Anyhow. That is all the time I am devoting to this.
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Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms - to choose ones attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose ones own way.
- Victor E. Frankl
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2006/09/16, 09:12 AM
I don't know that you'll read this since you've washed your hands of this...but...I think that is AWFUL what your neighbor said!!!!I think it's truely awful you even had to explain that to your daughter!!And it's not that it makes me feel "better" it's simply my perception.
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2006/09/18, 08:45 AM
carivan your post sent chills down my spine....I saw that incident on TV.....and havent' had a chance to read this post until now....sometimes you have to wonder about things like premonition.....in any case I am glad all is well
Asimmer how are you able to help your daughter once the subjects get complicated?(I am just curious as I dont know much about this topic) I think it's possible to become very well educated if one is driven and bright enough to learn from books alone.
I think despite such horrific incidents, schools as a whole are fairly safe.....its comparable to big commercial plane crashes....always make the news and are terrible but are very low chance of occuring....
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2006/09/18, 04:38 PM
good point menace, well said. :)
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Bettia.... You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.
-Mark Twain
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2006/09/20, 09:38 AM
My husband and I are both college educated, so in most cases it is a refresher course for us to teach her things. as the subjects get more complicated we may end up doing more learning ourselves. We could also bring in help in the form aof a tutor or get her into a co-op homeschool class. I think that by high schools she will probably opt to attend a public school (most likey a performing arts school) because she wants to get into theater in a big way and that just isn't as available at home (small skits, maybe:)).
I do think that if you you can read, you can learn to do anything. Hands-on stuff can sometimes be a better reinforcement and we will have to find a group for science lab type classes, but for the most part between the two of us my husband and I know enough to teach her current subjects.
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Asimmer how are you able to help your daughter once the subjects get complicated?(I am just curious as I dont know much about this topic) I think it's possible to become very well educated if one is driven and bright enough to learn from books alone.
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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
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