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2003/02/23, 10:41 PM
Can you have to much protein? Someone was telling me that their nutritionist told them too much protein is bad for you kidneys and can possibly give you gaut (spelling?).. is this true? They said about 1/2 a gram of protein per pound of boy weight would be fine, but on here I keep hearing 1 gram per pound of body weight which seems like a huge amount of protein.
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2003/02/24, 12:29 PM
A lot of nutritionists aren't up to date. Many of them continue to push the FDA's food pyramid, which is completely bunk. The theory is that high protein adversely effects yours kidneys because that's where it is processed. They assume since alchohol damages the liver (where it is processed) than protein must damage the kidneys (or some equally silly assumption). The fact is, there is no clinical evidence that high protein intake has adverse effects on healthy individuals. Even the FDA says that their general recommendation of (approximately) .5g protein per pound of body weight (they actually give a value of per kg, but I can't remember it off hand, the two are roughly equal though) is for sedentary individuals. The 1g per pound of bodyweight is widely accepted for those who engage in regular physical activity.
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2006/08/11, 02:58 PM
Hello. Many nutritionist are up to date and I know many of them personally. I have also taken many nutrition courses, as well as get my information directly for the USDA (United States Department of Agriculture). This is the best source for any kind of nutrition information. You should go to just any website because how do you know who is providing this information. It could be an uneducated fool who knows absolutely nothing about nutrition.
The Food Guide Pyramid is one of the best sources to calculate your caloric, vitamins, minerals and nutrient need. You can go to the USDA website and get a personal dietary guideline based on your personal info. such as height, weight, etc.
Also, you should have 0.4 - 0.5 grams of protein per day per each pound of body fat or 15 - 20% of your daily caloric intake. However, you should not go over 20% of your daily intake.
Too much protein can INDEED harm your kidneys. Also, yes, there is clinical evidence that too much protein harms the kidneys. Have you ever heard of.....ahhhhhhh, KIDNEY STONES! That is from the processing of too much protein in the kidneys.
Many body builders like to delude themselves into thinking that it's okay to have too much protein because they're trying to build muscle. When, in fact, going over the 20% doesn't increase their muscle mass improve their muscles in anyway.
They're in denial becuase they WANT to have their protein and avoid the facts and research from highly qualified doctors, scientists and nutritionists. They believe their own myth about protein, protein, protein will build more and more muscle. FALSE!
Who is to say that a body builder knows about nutrition??? Did they get their doctorate in nutrition? Are they medical gurus?
You should follow the recommended USDA guidelines on nutrition and too much of anything is harmful to the body.
You should also follow a good exercise and weight-lifting regimen.
If you are looking to body build, then you should do more weight-lifting exercises, as well as use a lot of weight and less reps (i.e. 5 reps of 8 each rep).
If you're looking to tone and look slender and firm, then you should do less weight, but more reps (i.e. 3 reps of 15 each rep).
Hope this helps and always be sure to go to someone who knows what they're talking about when it comes to nutrition such as a highly qualified doctor, nutritionist and the USDA.
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Can you have to much protein? Someone was telling me that their nutritionist told them too much protein is bad for you kidneys and can possibly give you gaut (spelling?).. is this true? They said about 1/2 a gram of protein per pound of boy weight would be fine, but on here I keep hearing 1 gram per pound of body weight which seems like a huge amount of protein.
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2006/08/11, 03:06 PM
Oh yeah, the USDA is who we should listen to. Realize how many times they have been wrong? How many times they keep revising things from being under fire. Do they have any idea of what resistanc atheletes go through, catbolism on a daily basis?
It is ironic that since the food guide pyramid came out, that corresponding obesity has risen dramatically.
I have quite a few studies that will refute all you say about <excess> protein, and USDA.
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2006/08/11, 03:08 PM
You are full of crap.
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2006/08/11, 03:14 PM
Show me ONE study done with HEALTHY BODY BUILDERS not lumps that have health problems. There is not real evidence of what you say. WHereas there are lots of real life results (from people like me) that eat 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of BW and are totaly fine. YOu come on here CLAIMING a lot, when we have people like bb1fit and rev8ball and others that COMPETE and or competed living this with no harm done.
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2006/08/11, 03:20 PM
personaly...I like that he defined what USDA was for me.
Don't think I'd have ever figured that one out!And I'm so glad to hear he knows most of the nutritionists in the nation personaly,think he knows the one who told my 65 year old obese mother that taking what was the equivalent of exlax several times a day was a healthy weight loss option?I would have to imagine he knows that one well.
This a three year old post...did you go digging around until you found something you thought you could speak intelligently about??
Pompous ass...go find some other people to talk down to...you picked the wrong crowd.
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2006/08/11, 06:22 PM
Is there a full moon out?
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2006/08/11, 06:25 PM
Actually...come to think of it...there is or was recently...also you are supposed to be able to see mars over the moon(with the naked eye even) here in a week or so....I think THAT is the problem!!!
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2006/08/12, 03:59 AM
I'm not a Null lol I'm SFGiantsMVP and I have to correct myself it's not the start of this thread that pissed me off it was the Pyrimid anal breathed person!
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2006/08/12, 10:37 AM
Nothing better tha real testimony.
I do have an education, including nutrition and most of the 'nutritionists' I have known are out of shape and maybe able to deal with 'general public' nutrition issues but have no clue when it comes to bodybuilders or athletes.
On the other hand, lets not resort to insults and name-calling. we are adults and can debate without it getting ugly.
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2006/08/12, 11:48 AM
Thank you for your post....I take great pleasure in the folks I can help.
A couple words in wise1's defense. Yes, the USDA food pyramid can work for you, if you keep that amount of total calories under your maintenance levels on a consistent basis. A diet high in carbs will in fact work under these guidelines.
Take a look at endurance atheletes, they are always thin. They naturally take in high amounts of carbs as compared to protein. This is due to the amount of energy expenditure they achieve with long bouts of endurance training daily.
However, if you touch them they are normally what you call skinny flabby. Soft to the touch. No muscle tone, and not much shape unless you like the JJ look on Good Times.
So, if weight loss primarily is your goal, any kind of weight loss, muscle included, then do this diet and calorie expenditure. If however looking lean and hard, strong and feeling healthy and fit, I suggest you up your protein.
Now, will you get any shape or muscle tone? No.
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Well let me say this if I may!
I started hard core fitness last August, meaning I joined a gym and started on the diet, cardio, resistance and supplements ( MultiVitamins) and stayed on the Pyrimid macros for about 10 months and as I lost weight it seemed to be a real slow fat % dropping proccess ( Feed The Fat Burn The Muscle)I wish I could bold that and enlarge it because it means what it says at least for me it did.
I was 240 pounds and 26% Fat a year ago and 2 months ago I was 190 pounds and 21.5% fat and I was so pissed off I mean pissed off to work that hard as I did to burn such little fat! I was fricking pissed off guys and gals because I worked hard and ate well!
Today I weight 182 pounds and have a 17.5% in fat! (How did I do this?) I learned a few things from BFFM and more so off bbfit1's post here. When your determinded your determinded lol. Well the 1st thing I did was up Protien, lower carbs, raise calorie intake and raise fats, I average 40/40/20 to 40/35/25 C/P/F. I'm carb sensitive like most people are and the Pyamid had me at like 60% Carbs and about 15% Protiens.
All I'm saying is if you wana know about a Healthy way of living your not guna get better adivice then you would off a true BODYBUILDER, they are all about health. My Uncle is a Pro contender and has Won a National in his 50's and my 2 cousins 1 girl 1 boy has competed in a family compition with him also, My uncle use to drive us nuts in the early 80's with his Herbal Life stuff lol.
Anyway piss on this guy and THANK YOU BBFIT1 (We who no no better need YOU, just in a short time I have reached goals faster without starving and I find myself eating more know then I ever have in my life (I'm 37). For me it was the 2 meals days and snack my life away but now it's 5 meals day!
By the way I'm a Pro Bowler and will be going on the Tour in a year or 2 and I have no doubt in my mind that I would amount to nothing out there if I didn't smarten up and get my act together (Live Fit and Healthy) and I wouldn't have been able to do it without the people like bbfit1 I have met in the gyms and forums like this!
1 Guy told me this is a total lifestyle change and that ment new friends too, he said his old friends didn't want him around anymore as he started to get more healthy and fit. A year later for me I see this as to be a truth and the person that posted this thread seems too be just like some are acting around me now. I was told when I was still 204 pounds and 23% fat that I was getting too damn skinny and that I'd better stop doing what I was doing because I looked sickly,(I'm 5'11.5 barefoot). Point is we can all guess what bodytype of people say such things! So my guess is this person may look like the Pyramind that posted this!
Sorry for the long breath on this but this thread or at least that start of it makes me sick to my stomache like if I was still suppersized with nightly acid reflex syndrom! I lost that syndrom shortly after I joined the gym!
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2006/08/14, 03:11 PM
Wise1 is partially right.
Protein metabolism creates uric acid, and if the concentration is too high in urine, kidney stones can form.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/kidney-stones/DS00282/DSECTION=3
However, any decent body building diet contains a lot of water, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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2006/08/14, 05:46 PM
This only has any effect if existing kidney problems already exist. This has been proven over and over.
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2006/08/18, 11:30 AM
Great post! I just finished reading BFFM myself and it was an eye opener for sure.
It is my understanding that a the recommended protein intake by the USDA and their Canadian counterparts are designed with indivuals who do not partake in an exercise program and therefore do not pertain to those who exercise and train on a regular basis. If the protein intake is higher than that individual should be comsuming more water as yxven has mentioned.
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Quoting from null:
Well let me say this if I may!
I started hard core fitness last August, meaning I joined a gym and started on the diet, cardio, resistance and supplements ( MultiVitamins) and stayed on the Pyrimid macros for about 10 months and as I lost weight it seemed to be a real slow fat % dropping proccess ( Feed The Fat Burn The Muscle)I wish I could bold that and enlarge it because it means what it says at least for me it did.
I was 240 pounds and 26% Fat a year ago and 2 months ago I was 190 pounds and 21.5% fat and I was so pissed off I mean pissed off to work that hard as I did to burn such little fat! I was fricking pissed off guys and gals because I worked hard and ate well!
Today I weight 182 pounds and have a 17.5% in fat! (How did I do this?) I learned a few things from BFFM and more so off bbfit1's post here. When your determinded your determinded lol. Well the 1st thing I did was up Protien, lower carbs, raise calorie intake and raise fats, I average 40/40/20 to 40/35/25 C/P/F. I'm carb sensitive like most people are and the Pyamid had me at like 60% Carbs and about 15% Protiens.
All I'm saying is if you wana know about a Healthy way of living your not guna get better adivice then you would off a true BODYBUILDER, they are all about health. My Uncle is a Pro contender and has Won a National in his 50's and my 2 cousins 1 girl 1 boy has competed in a family compition with him also, My uncle use to drive us nuts in the early 80's with his Herbal Life stuff lol.
Anyway piss on this guy and THANK YOU BBFIT1 (We who no no better need YOU, just in a short time I have reached goals faster without starving and I find myself eating more know then I ever have in my life (I'm 37). For me it was the 2 meals days and snack my life away but now it's 5 meals day!
By the way I'm a Pro Bowler and will be going on the Tour in a year or 2 and I have no doubt in my mind that I would amount to nothing out there if I didn't smarten up and get my act together (Live Fit and Healthy) and I wouldn't have been able to do it without the people like bbfit1 I have met in the gyms and forums like this!
1 Guy told me this is a total lifestyle change and that ment new friends too, he said his old friends didn't want him around anymore as he started to get more healthy and fit. A year later for me I see this as to be a truth and the person that posted this thread seems too be just like some are acting around me now. I was told when I was still 204 pounds and 23% fat that I was getting too damn skinny and that I'd better stop doing what I was doing because I looked sickly,(I'm 5'11.5 barefoot). Point is we can all guess what bodytype of people say such things! So my guess is this person may look like the Pyramind that posted this!
Sorry for the long breath on this but this thread or at least that start of it makes me sick to my stomache like if I was still suppersized with nightly acid reflex syndrom! I lost that syndrom shortly after I joined the gym!
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