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2007/06/26, 02:10 AM
I have a bulging Disc in my lumbar and the Squat and Deadlift real makes me feel good but the deadlift light or heavy, sumo or conventional, stiff Legged or off the floor make my hip slightly kick out to the left.
This happen in the Squat if I go Olympic Style so I don't and stay with parallel.
Please only the qualified answer this for me!
Should I replace the deadlift with something else or stick with it until the injury heels up better and the kick will leave.
I have had powerlifters watch me and 1 say I had really good form and another say I had a little kick to the side but not that bad.
I have been doing DL's for a year now but I'm just scared I may hurt myself real bad because of this kick.
I guess some days it may not kick out if I was told by a competitor that my forum was really good at one time but I even see the kick in the mirror when it does kick which is most of the time!
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2007/06/26, 04:04 PM
Well I do know there are a few qualified to answer this for me and probably Gatormade is most suited so I'll just hope to hear a positive and wait out an answer.
Basically I hear allot of people getting stronger with the power lifts with conditions like mine but as I stated that hip swing or kick mentally is a scare and can't be good either I just don't know how to correct it even with playing with grips as putting the opposite side more centered or even wider stances I still have been kicking out a tad!
1 rep max has been 300 after 3 to 4 sets of 3's and last night I did 250 in sets of 3's and was told I had the hip swing or kick but slightly. I have been stuck before in a Olympic Style Squat and really kicked out far so I don't do them much past parallel at all.
When I 1st started DL's I kicked out really bad with only 135 but I corrected most if not all of it for a period of time with stance and grip but it's not working well for me right now.
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2007/06/26, 08:56 PM
Im confused by the term "kick"
You coudl try trainingt he movement lighter...corectly...meaning if you know your form is bad...do lighter weights to get beter motor skills.
Other wise...take a break tell what ever is burt heals.
Maybe you should go see a chiro or doctor?
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2007/06/27, 09:36 AM
I was also going to suggest a stagger, but that is going to put more load on one side your body, and I also wasn't really sure what you meant by a kick to one side. You could try sumo. I think that would limit the range of left to right movement in you hips. I wonder if a strength imbalance is causing you to shift to one side.
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2007/06/27, 02:31 PM
I could be and this is what I hoping for, as for the kick it's the spin protecting itself.
I have a Left Bulging disc in the lower back it stick out to the left.
And what I mean by a kick is during the lift my butt will point to the left and not stay inline and stable.
If it's not correctable then it's stupid to continue to do and I will replace that lift with weighted hypers.
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2007/06/27, 02:33 PM
Sounds like to me the only one here that may understand me is BB1 as he has stated to have the same or a similar issue and it just maybe a lift I can't do as I already know I can't go real heavy in squats!
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2007/06/27, 03:43 PM
You said above that at 300 you have the kick, and at 250 it is still a slight kick. Do you know at what point this kick starts?
Like you said, if it is the spine protecting itself then you may just have to stay at or below the level where it begins. By doing that I think that it could improve with strengthened back muscles which could provide more protection to the spine thus reducing the need for your kick.
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2007/06/27, 04:25 PM
At any weight I have the kick but this is really when the back is acting nice and tender which happens to be 90% of the time for the past 2 years!
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2007/06/28, 02:43 AM
Ok the best answer I have found and make most sense is the Tensor Fascia Latae and Iliotibial Band is tighter on the left leg and is causing this.
Reason it's tighter on that side is that the side the bulg is directed and mostly effects that side of the body.
Corrections is best with a Foam Roller and stretches.
I will roll away and continue stretching as I do and when I stretch I do see the left leg ALWAYS WAY TIGHTER then the right.
There is also something called Iliotibial band syndrome I may have as the is the second time in 12 or 13 years I have gone through this and it's the only times I started leg workouts in a gym!
I'll let you all know how it goes over the next few weeks just encase you need to help someone out with the same issue!
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2007/06/28, 06:25 PM
Anyone who is qualified will stay away from this one if they are intelligent... It's a liability, and diagnosis via internet forum is bleh at best. I will give you a few ideas...
Evaluate your posture. I don't mean while deadlifting, I mean while standing and sitting.
Second, learning more about functional biomechanics (the more I learn the more I realize how little I know) will be one of the best things you can do. Sounds like you have at least 2 postural problems. The text we use is "Diagnosis and Treatment of Movement Impairment Syndromes" by Shirley Sarhrmann, and there is an entire chapter on mechanical imbalances of the lower back, as well as one on the hip. I'd recommend it not just to you and to people studying physical therapy, but to anyone interested in learning more.
Third, find an ART therapist (Active Release Techniques). Not only can a qualified ART specialist treat your anterior glide with medial rotation and tibial torsion (insert disclaimer), but an experianced specialist can find any other issues through movement, posture, and feel.
Foam rolling is great, but a lot of times it only gets the superficial stuff. A good thumb can go a long way.
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2007/06/28, 06:28 PM
Also, while everyone else is throwing out generic suggestions, a crapload of unilateral work couldn't hurt.
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2007/06/28, 06:43 PM
Which would be best suited bro!
I know you know allot about an imbalance so I'll take what you say very serious!
Wrestler you know this stuff well as I remember you talking about hip corrections before so don't hold back I have been waiting for someone like you to reply and is why I asked for only the qualified to reply and no offense to the others but I'm talking about my body here and correcting it for a big lift that can totally damage me if I don't get corrected.
So if you can emphasize more please do!
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2007/06/28, 06:45 PM
I do the Abductor and Hip Flexsion allot!
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2007/06/28, 06:49 PM
Didn't see your 1st post before I replied and sounds like good stuff thanks but when you say unilateral work I'm lost and on the google!
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2007/06/28, 06:55 PM
Ok lunges and such I see!
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2007/06/28, 11:52 PM
Bulgarian split squats would be an excellent idea. I'm also talking about unilateral upper body stuff, things like standing one arm military press, one arm bench, etc. This will correct strengthen your trunk and teach you to brace better.
Like I said, I can't give a diagnosis without an examination. Anyone that is qualified also has a lot to risk with a faulty diagnosis. And I'm not sure if you are being recruited for collegiate sports, but I seem to remember you mentioning it, but that is also a no no.
Seriously, see an ART guy. For what it costs, it's a worthwhile investment. Try to find one that specializes on athletes.
Also, I wish I could give you more on postural evaluation, but the best advice I can give you is to take pictures and find a PT book.
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2007/06/29, 03:31 AM
No I'm a bowler that you'll seen on ESPN when I hit the tour not a whatever you thought lol.
What do you think about one legged squats where your place your ankle and the other knee and lift a dummbell or light weighted barbell!
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2007/07/03, 03:41 AM
Ok 1 week after doing multiple daily stretches of the IT Band and Foam Roller a few times a week!
I have been allot looser and today we got up 300 Sumo Style as I had a bodybuilder watch my form and the kick is almost gone but not quite. (VERY VERY SLIGHT KICK).
Unilateral leg work told me this today:
Single Leg Dumbbell Squat (Front not Bulgarian),left leg is stronger and has better balance.
Single Leg Curls, right leg stronger.
Single Leg Seated Calves: left leg stronger
Single leg Standing Abductor: left leg stronger.
I'm right legged!
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