|
2002/09/25, 09:26 PM
I looked through a number of posts to find the answer to this one. Wasn't able to after a while of looking. If you know of a post let me know.
I will be starting a building routine on Monday supplementing with a tricreatine malate product. What should I avoid in my diet. I want to get maximum benefit and not waste the stuff. Don't have the $ to waste :-)
Jason
|
|
|
|
2002/09/25, 10:52 PM
the only thing that i have seen some research on is caffiene. supposedly, taking caffiene near or at the same time as creatine diminishes the effectiveness of the creatine.
--------------
Michael
"Trample the weak; hurdle the dead!"
|
|
2002/09/26, 02:18 AM
============
Quoting from rev8ball:
the only thing that i have seen some research on is caffiene. supposedly, taking caffiene near or at the same time as creatine diminishes the effectiveness of the creatine.
=============
Yes because of the water...... Coffee (and strong tea) will risk to dehydrate your body but you'll need MORE water when taking creatine.
--------------
- Nina :o) Les Victoires éternelles sont celles du coeur.
|
|
2002/09/26, 02:21 AM
nina is correct. but there is another reason - something about the caffiene actually blocking sufficient absorbtion of the creatine. i will research it and get back to ya...
--------------
Michael
"Trample the weak; hurdle the dead!"
|
|
2002/09/26, 08:07 AM
Michael - you'll get a kick out of these. I have a half dozen articles on the subject and they all contradict each other.
Creatine vs caffeine excerpts
This study was conducted to determine whether caffeine counteracts the ergogenic effect of creatine supplementation in repeated high-intensity exercise. Fourteen habitually active to well-trained male subjects volunteered for the study. The mean age (±SD) of the subjects was 21.5 ± 3.2 years and their mean body mass (±SD) was 83.0 ± 8.3 kg. Before subjects were allocated to groups they performed six repetitions of a six second maximal cycle sprint with 30 seconds of passive rest between each repetition. Subjects were then randomly assigned to either a creatine (0.35 g.kg body weight-1.day-1 creatine monohydrate for six days) or a creatine/caffeine (0.35 g.kg body weight-1.day-1 creatine monohydrate + 5 mg.kg body weight-1.day-1 caffeine for six days) supplementation protocol using a double-blind design. After six days of supplementation subjects performed the performance test for a second time. A two-factor multi-variate repeated measures analysis of variance was used. Both the creatine supplemented and creatine/caffeine supplemented groups produced substantial increases in peak power output, relative peak power output and work done in all six cycle sprints (P<0.05). In addition to this, total work for the six cycle sprints was increased (P<0.05), however percentage decrement across the six cycle sprints was not substantially altered (P>0.05). Interestingly, all of the above mentioned performance alterations were not different (P>0.05) between experimental conditions (ie. creatine Vs creatine/caffeine). The results of this study suggest that improvements in short-duration maximal cycle sprints following creatine supplementation are not altered by caffeine intake.
http://www.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2000/preoly/abs275b.htm
And another
http://www.cyberiron.com/supplement/cmacid.html
Creatine and Acid Compounds Don't Mix [ From: Richard Ballard - Sat, 4 May 1996 07:46:56 -1000 (HST)
I never found anything on my own, but this was in the July MM2000 I picked up yesterday:
CREATINE & CAFFINE DON'T MIX
This study, hot off the presses, perhaps shows why creatine doesn't always produce positive results for everyone. A group of Belgian scientists examined 9 healthy male subjects (ages 20-23 years) who were physically active but not highly trained. Before and after six days of creatine (.5 g/kg per day), creatine plus caffeine (same dose of creatine plus 5 mg/kg per day of caffeine), and placebo treatment, they found that muscle ATP concentration was the same throughout the experiment. However, phosphocreatine levels increased significantly (4%-6% in both the creatine and creatine plus caffeine groups). Knee extension torque increased 10%-23% only in the creatine group. The creatine plus caffeine and placebo groups didn't exhibit increases in muscle torque. This study demonstrates that caffeine can negate the ergogenic effects of creatine.
(K. Vandenberghe, et al, "Caffeine Counteracts the Ergogenic Action of Muscle Creatine Loading," J. Appl. Physiol. 80.2 : 452-457.)
|
|
2002/09/26, 10:21 AM
I had heard some about caffeine. I was also wondering about phosphoric acid. I know soda is not not the best but I'm hooked, although I do the caffeine free, diet stuff. Also is there a calcium connection with muscles?
Thanks guys! Jason
|
|
2002/09/26, 11:46 AM
============
Quoting from j_dino:
I had heard some about caffeine. I was also wondering about phosphoric acid. I know soda is not not the best but I'm hooked, although I do the caffeine free, diet stuff. Also is there a calcium connection with muscles?
Thanks guys! Jason
=============
Hey Jason,
A thought to keep in mind, phosphoric acid is used in solutions to remove the enamel off of teeth prior to resin dental restorations. Now, a thought of that inside your body on a regular basis. As for calcium, it has numerous functions in the body but in regards to muscle it is a positve ion responsible for electrical conduction across the cell membrane- along with potassium and sodium- which causes the muscle to contract. Normal serum levels are 8.5 to 10.5 mg/dl. Low levels in the blood cause muscle tetany and twitching along with numerous other gastric and heart irregularities when dangerously low. Unlike sodium and potassium you do not typically deplete your levels by diuresis/sweating. The levels are typically only low after surgery or gastric diseases. This is a very abbreviated version of calcium's role. A good MVI is all you need for maintenance- I am sure you have a good meal plan. I have never had good results with caffeine and creatine- the diuretic effect robs the body of the water/carbs needed to transport the creatine to the cellular level of the muscle. Sorry so lengthy!!! Good luck with your goals!!!
|
|
2002/09/26, 12:19 PM
Thanks!!! Sounds like the best bet is to cut out the caffeine, soda, and taking a multi. I'm really pumped mentally about getting pumped physically! Cant wait to start. Jason
|
|
2002/09/26, 12:47 PM
Most people on this site don't have this problem, but when you take creatine DO NOT CONSUME TOO MUCH ALCOHOL!! This is for one of the same reasons caffeine should be avoided (or used in moderation) - it is a diuretic. By pulling water away from your muscle cells, the necessary conditions are not present for growth and repair.
--------------
--JBennett
"I've up-ed my intensity.... now up yours!"
"Pain is only weakness leaving the body."
"Never think of how weak you are; think of how strong you're going to be."
|
|
2003/06/01, 11:44 AM
damn,
I guess I should find something other than Budweiser to mix the Creatine with...
|
|
2003/06/02, 10:18 AM
LOL
"Dino"
|
|
2003/06/02, 10:25 AM
Had been a while since I first posted this topic. I had stopped taking the creatine for a while. In the last couple of months or so I have been working on a weight loss program. Lost about 11lbs and about 6% of body fat. I am going back on a lean muscle building program and will start back up with the creatine. Does anyone know about the company IDS and their product containing creatine titrate?
"Dino"
|
