Group: Health Supplements

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Supplements can be a great aid with your health and fitness goals. Combined with the proper exercise and nutritional plan they can be quite effective.

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jbennett
jbennett
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2002/10/03, 03:45 PM
Some of you may have heard about this, but this is news to me. Recently, there have been a rash of lawsuits filed over bogus nutritional supplements. The latest one (apparently filed in July) targets andro supplements and their ability to do absolutely nothing except increase estrogen levels. Here's the full article:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/diet.fitness/07/25/andro.lawsuit/index.html

I tend to disagree with a lot of what is claimed by the plantiffs. I've taken andro products (the Stak) and it worked like a champ for me.

The last paragraph of the article lists the companies targeted in the lawsuit. Remember, this is a class-action lawsuit that can potentially affect the prices of supplements you buy in the future.

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"I've up-ed my intensity.... now up yours!"
"Pain is only weakness leaving the body."
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bb1fit
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2002/10/03, 07:47 PM
Well, I do challenge you to show me one shred of eveidence that andro has ever built an ounce of muscle itself.I can guarantee you since the Mark McGuire thing, the supplements have sold milliona and millions of bottles of this stuff. I ask you, if it were that awesome, you know "steroid like gains", wouldn't you see out of all those millions of bottles sold LOTS of huge guys running around by now? Maybe it just takes a long time to work? hhhmmmmmmm...
rev8ball
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2002/10/03, 07:57 PM
it seems that the law suit seems to be only against a-dione, not against any of the -diols. hmmmm. i do know that the T to E conversion of a-dione is the biggest(worse) out of all of the pro-hormones. interesting.

in regards to most companies' marketing, i agree with bb1 (read my post for the test 250). however, i think another major problem with almost every supplement on the market is not so much the product itself everytime, but more that it is that these people are looking for a magic bullet:

"If I just take this supplement (insert name of product here), I can just sit my fat rear on the couch, eat potato chips, watch TV, I and will gain muscle and/or lose fat, and look just like Coleman in 3 weeks."

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bb1fit
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2002/10/03, 09:06 PM
Rev8ball, I think you hit the nail on the head. The "proverbial" magic pill. It is extremely evident in the weight loss arena. I have actually overheard supp store clerks telling women specifically to their question that no, if you take these, you don't have to change your diet, exercise, etc. What bull. All in the name of greed. And people fall for this by literally the millions.
jbennett
jbennett
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2002/10/03, 10:00 PM
Good point, bb1fit. I haven't read any recent studies or research claiming gains from andro products. What I know is that the few people I am aquainted with that have tried it have had very noticable gains while training on the same routine schedule - the only thing that changed was the addition of andro. Coincidence? Maybe. When I tried it, not only did my strength go through the roof, I gained 8lbs in one 21-day cycle. Water retention? Dunno for sure.

You guys are right about the way some people want a miracle drug to fix their problems. My neighbor's wife is that way. She takes Xenadrine to lose fat (although she's not overweight by much), but doesn't want to workout or change her diet at all. Then she complains about her flab. (Its very funny to hear my neighbor tell me about her!) We probably all know someone like this. Everyone wants their results like yesterday, but very few want to bust their butts to achieve their goals.

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--JBennett
"I've up-ed my intensity.... now up yours!"
"Pain is only weakness leaving the body."
"Never think of how weak you are; think of how strong you're going to be."