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2002/10/09, 08:53 PM
I would like to say a few words on supplements here. The new buzzword in the industry is "steroid like gains". Folks, let me tell you the only thing that gives "steroid like gains" are steroids! These companies can produce all the "Methoxycrap" and "Ectobullcrap" they want,put some huge advetising spin on it based in a bit of science, and make it sound like they have the super supplement! Most of these companies don't even have labs! How about all the guys standing around in labcoats around equipment that isn't even turned on! They come out with the great Hungarian secret they just happened to stumble across by accident. Anyone remember thsi spin on Methoxy? Noone else ever found it all these years. Have anyone truly made great steroid like gains with this stuff? Show me one shred of evidence this stuff builds an ounce of muscle. You know how it goes, oh, the pill form first or the powder. Oh, that didn't do it, well it was the delivery system. New and improved. Effervescent..has anyone tried this stomach bloating system? Well, now lets try "transdermal creams". See anyone walking around with really huge hands or well defined hands?? Anyone who has made gains over time, stop and think at what you have truly done. Working out hard, taking quality protein and consuming a quality diet. hhhhmmmm.....there are some supplements that are scientifically proven to work, and these are over time, not tomorrow. Protein, creatine, glutamine, some of your fat burners cycled can be a great weight loss aid. The jist of what I am trying to get across is they can call it "The Beast", or "The optomizer", or "Juiced Protein"(the next big scam), buyer beware! There is no supplement in the world that is ever going to give you steroid like gains. Period! That is my rant, now I am done. You work hard for your money I bet, spend it wisely!!
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2002/10/10, 01:52 AM
Rant away, it's not like you're ranting about something unimportant. I, for one, believe the companies that promote their products falsely should be out of business and that the best way to do that is educating people. Thank you for all the good advice you give on these posts.
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2002/10/10, 04:57 PM
Thank you for posting this!
:) Melissa
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2002/10/10, 05:17 PM
WOW!!! I have thought and talked about this a lot with a large number of people. I still feel that all you need is to eat and lift the right amount! You do not need these pills and powders casue as BB said if they worked everyone that wanted to would look like Arnold!
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2002/10/10, 05:45 PM
Excellent commentary. I couldn't agree with you more.
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That which does not kill me can only make me stronger.
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2002/10/10, 10:53 PM
Great post! On the same topic of false claims.. MuscleTech is on the top of the list. Lee Priest has recently left this Co. due to the claims they were making about his contest conditioning and recent win at the San Fran. How can anyone in their sane minds think that 'hydroxycut' or 'nitro tech' brought Lee from 280 or so to 200 pounds of ripped muscle? hahahaha.. I commend Lee for taking a stand.
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2002/10/10, 11:28 PM
nothing a lil' clen can't cure....
but when u think about it, which is worse, lying about OTC products' effectiveness, or denying the use of controlled substances.
(i just like to play devil's advocate!)
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2002/10/11, 07:52 PM
My point in this whole thing is to save the working guy a bit of money. We all work hard for our money I assume, and to give it to these snake oil producing companies is a crime. this is a repost of another post I did that may help explain the procedures they use, useing Methoxy as an example.
You have to understand this industry to understand why products like methoxy isoflavone ever make it to the market.
You see, most companies' philosophy is to continually offer the consumer something new. And there is nothing wrong
with this, providing the "new" product has science to support its use as an effective nutritional supplement. Methoxy
isoflavone does not. New does not mean effective.
With this philosophy, continually offering the consumer something new becomes financially important to the company's
existence. Since this drives most companies, their ineffective products have a very short life. If it doesn't work it doesn't
last long. This short product life feeds the "new" product offering philosophy forcing these companies to come out with
the next "new" product that is equally as ineffective as the last.
Do you see the pattern? Methoxy isoflavone is a perfect example of a supplement that is completely backed by
marketing and not by science. This will make the product sell for a short time while the consumers are persuaded by the
advertising. In the end, like many supplements before it, it will fall by the wayside. The only winners are the
supplement companies that rake in the money selling this ineffective supplement.
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2002/10/11, 08:39 PM
bb1 I think this a good post, but you can't convert those who don't want to be converted. Not that I fault you for trying.
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2002/10/12, 10:24 AM
Well, the one thing that seems to work is all the "'drine" supplements...but then again, we've known for decades that speed can help weight loss (snicker). As an off-and-on user of ephedrine, my gut instinct is that the stuff is terribly dangerous and it's effectiveness varies directly with potential side effects...wait, that sounds like clenbuterol. DOH! Anyway, like many here have been saying, in the long run it's best to stay away from magic solutions and go with tried and tested behaviors. Notice I didn't state that supplements are bad - I HOPE over the years we develop better products for health and fitness! - but rather that we should stick with stuff that's stood the test of time and research. However, I think it's only been in the last decade or so that rigorous, professional (read: scientific) research has been performed for the * commercial * fitness realm, so don't expect miracles too soon. But that's a whole 'nother subject...
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2002/10/14, 04:09 PM
bb1fit, I agree with 95% of what you have to say. However, just because a supplement is overhyped doesn't mean that it doesn't have any value. Colostrum has been touted by supplement companies as the next great performance enhancing agent. Well, it doesn't. However, it offers very interesting promise as an immune-boosting supplement. Plant sterols. Up until recently, these sterols were criticized. But new research is showing that plant sterols can benefit many people with respect to heart health and the like. So I believe it's irresponsible to dismiss supplements out of hand. However, I don't believe it's irresponsible to criticize supplement companies who make patently outrageous claims, as you have.
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2002/10/15, 07:15 PM
Well,never for one minute did I mean to dismiss any health helping nutrients, such as vitamins and minerals and such. My "rant" if you will is strictly against the overhyped, media full page ads for muscle building supplements that promise the impossible. Sure there are a good many products that do work, I have been taking vitamins and minerals long before I ever started in the iron game. It was not and is not my intention to tell every one that works, for there are quite a few, expecially taken in synergy. My intention was solely to keep people from getting ripped off by mass marketing hype. Usually, the old adage, if it sounds too good....
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2002/10/15, 08:01 PM
A last word...I did not ralize this would be so difficult for some to understand.
You have to understand that the nutrition industry is big business and it’s
very loosely regulated. As a consumer of nutritional supplements, you
are battling two big obstacles. One is product quality - there are products
on the market that do not contain what there labels say. The second, and
biggest obstacle are products that make false promises – they claim to
cause an effect, when in reality, they do not.
One look through any bodybuilding magazine will reveal countless ads
that make outrageous claims or insinuations about the products they are
promoting. In fact, there are many more ads making fraudulent claims
than ads telling the truth. And to top this off, all the magazines are owned
by supplement companies. This means that the editorial content of the
magazines are nothing more than ads themselves.
If you are turning to the bodybuilding magazines for truthful advice of
supplements, you’re being screwed from both ends. You’re being lied to
from ads that are disguised as articles and you are getting lied to from
the ads themselves.
Simple solution, stop buying the magazines. What are they good for?
They print false ads and bogus articles. Even the training articles are
worthless. Now I have to admit there is usually a good dose of T&A each
month, but hell, even that’s fake.
Look, as far as fraudulent products and bogus claims, the supplement
industry is worst now than it’s ever been. You have pills that magically
make women’s breasts bigger, pills that increase the size of the ol’
Johnson, creams that rub fat away, pills that make you the stud of all
studs, prohormones that are 700% more effective than the most potent
anabolic steroid, myostatin blockers that, as a recent ad put it, “. . . ignites
explosive muscle growth – literally overnight!” and you have more
embarrassingly staged “before and after” photos than I thought were
possible.
Companies now days market there products as though they have
oversized, solid brass balls and no shame whatsoever. They will use the
same “before and after” photos for each product they advertise.
Endorsements are a dime a dozen and there are athletes and even
Doctors that will whore their name out for at the drop of a hat for just a
little cash.
As a consumer, you are swimming upstream. The magazines that
provide a forum and outlet for the fraudulent ads and information don’t
care about you, the companies that are lying to you about there products
sure don’t care about you and the regulatory agencies don’t have time for
you. I have been told by officials, “Unless someone gets hurt from the
products, we don’t have time to deal with it.”
My advice, use common sense. If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Demand to see the research. Demand that the research be on the
product that is making the claim. Demand to see the research that
supports the claims that are being made. A recent ad quoted research
that was done on Japanese Quail. Quail for God’s sake. Now is that
f*$%? up or what?
If you see an ad with before and after photos and the before photo has
the person all white and hairy, with their hair messed up, their shoulders
slumped and their gut stuck out as far as possible, I have a bit of news
for you. There’s virtually a 100% chance that the product had very little, if
anything at all, to do with the results shown. I’ve seen one company use
a before photo where the fitness model used was pregnant. It’s total
bullshit and frankly, if you fall for this garbage, you probably deserve to be
swindled.
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2002/10/20, 06:05 PM
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2002/10/20, 06:51 PM
Nice post bb1.
One can easily spend lots of $$$.00
I am a strong beleiver in vitamins and protien.
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2003/08/12, 12:23 PM
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2003/08/20, 05:46 PM
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Quoting from bb1fit:
Companies now days market there products as though they have
oversized, solid brass balls and no shame whatsoever. They will use the
same “before and after” photos for each product they advertise.
Endorsements are a dime a dozen and there are athletes and even
Doctors that will whore their name out for at the drop of a hat for just a
little cash.
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Hehe. Jared from the subway commericals anyone?
But in all seriousness, I completely agree with bb1fit here. I get magizines for free from my brother, so I get him to pick me up some workout ones... And the crap they fill it with. Every second page is for some sort of "mircale" drug that will turn you from flab to a complete body builder in weeks... The funny thing is, if you look really REALLY carefully at the fine print under the before/after pictures you can see that it says, "John Doehs results are very uncommon"... (it acutally said that)
So why on earth did you use him in the ad if his amazing results are not common? What do the common results look like?
Makes you wonder what the common results are like...
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~Brad~
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2003/10/15, 10:55 AM
Dang, and I buy Muscle and Fitness and Flex...am I ok as long as I don't trust their "ads" or is the whole motive now in question on the actual literature/articles?
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Jeff Goldblum, Jurassic Park II
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2003/10/15, 11:05 AM
Beware what you read in those mags. As mentioned, they are mouthpieces for supplement companies. I don't know if anyone was aware of the lawsuit against Muscletech going on right now? http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6678859
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Great people never want it easier, they just want to be better!
Ron
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2003/10/15, 11:28 AM
I've heard about this, Ron, and, unfortunately, MuscleTech is not the only one accused of such unsavory acts of deceit.
I think I'm going to have to follow this up with more details...
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Trample the weak; hurdle the dead!
Chaos, Panic, Disorder.... Yes, my work here is done!
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2003/10/15, 11:37 AM
Holy Guacamole!
I used to take this powder religously! I also wrote a raving review of it at epinions.com, but my love affair with NitroTech just ended. Thanks for the info.
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Beware what you read in those mags. As mentioned, they are mouthpieces for supplement companies. I don't know if anyone was aware of the lawsuit against Muscletech going on right now? http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6678859
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