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johnguy Posts: 104 Joined: 2003/01/29	2003/02/12, 07:01 PM Ok I have decided I am going to use creatine monohydrate. The ins. says to take it (its just no flav powder) apple or grape juice? I thought I read here that you should not use juice to mix with creatine? The person at GNC said that indeed you should use apple/grape juice. I know some of you don't like GNC, but in my town its really all we have for that type of store. Also I don't feel I get enough protein in my diet. Thus I am going to find a shake or something that has it. Would the Why Protein shakes be the way to go. There are so many ways of getting it in powder I don't know what is best. I have heard of soy, however many say that Whey is the best protein sup you can do. ? Opinions needed please. Especially on the juice bit. thanks in advance.
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/02/12, 07:20 PM Grape juice will be good for the insulin spike,or just take it with water...Just no orange juice .
johnguy Posts: 104 Joined: 2003/01/29	2003/02/12, 07:25 PM ya the lady at gnc said that if you take it with water it would not absorb into your body properly. thus use grape/apple juice. however its like anything they are just trying to get a sale etc and if it does not mention on in the box/pack then they probably don't know. :) ============ Quoting from johnguy: Ok I have decided I am going to use creatine monohydrate. The ins. says to take it (its just no flav powder) apple or grape juice? I thought I read here that you should not use juice to mix with creatine? The person at GNC said that indeed you should use apple/grape juice. I know some of you don't like GNC, but in my town its really all we have for that type of store. Also I don't feel I get enough protein in my diet. Thus I am going to find a shake or something that has it. Would the Why Protein shakes be the way to go. There are so many ways of getting it in powder I don't know what is best. I have heard of soy, however many say that Whey is the best protein sup you can do. ? Opinions needed please. Especially on the juice bit. thanks in advance. =============
ageis Posts: 198 Joined: 2002/10/25	2003/02/12, 07:55 PM Whey protein is the way to go but it gets absorbed quite quickly so it is best recommended to take it as a post workout drink. As far as brand names, there's a crapload and I mean crapload. -------------- "You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough."
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/02/12, 10:14 PM I would only use grape juice. The frozen kind is the best as it has a higher fructose content. -------------- Nothing is too small to know, and nothing is too big to attempt! Ivan Montreal Canada
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/02/12, 10:41 PM I don't know, every time I load creatine, I use water, and it seems to work just fine. If you are taking 5 gr. doses four times daily for 5 days, don't you think enough will get into your system without all the insulin spikes? You know what too much insulin does, when the muscle is full, it spills over and guess what? Why would you want all those blood sugar spikes every day? High insulin and glycogen concentrations induce the production and storage of fat! Another tidbit about insulin. Did you know it counteacts the effects of Growth hormone? HGH? Which would you rather have higher levels of? Some research and facts. The choice is yours of course. I am not sure where the juice thing started, but has somehow made the rounds. So everyone jumped at it. Use common sense approach. -------------- Failing to plan is like planning to fail!
mackfactor Posts: 766 Joined: 2002/10/17	2003/02/14, 05:32 PM There is a segment of the population that creatine supplementation has no effect for. They are referred to as 'non-responders.' There was a theory that non-responders could increase their chances of success by taking creatine with carbs of some sort, presumably to get insulin to help shuttle the creatine to muscles. Personally, I have no idea as to the validity of this theory, but it was probably taught to the GNC rep by someone else who had no idea why. So, most likely you're not a non-responder and most likely you don't need to use juice. bb1, I had a lengthy discussion about the effects of insulin spikes and its effects on HGH a couple months ago on another board. A few of us came to the relatively certain conclusion (this is still a hypothesis) that considering the very short duration of insulin spikes combined with the fact that HGH is released in pulses and primarily at night, that you're fine spiking insulin so long as it's not right before bed. We figured that giving it a couple hours to work through your system would be more than adequate. -------------- "Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters!" -- Bob Dylan
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/02/14, 06:12 PM I wasn't even thinking of the insulin spike. Just the fact that it gets in to the blood stream with the juice faster after a workout, and not in the loading phase. -------------- Nothing is too small to know, and nothing is too big to attempt! Ivan Montreal Canada
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/02/14, 06:22 PM Yeah Mack, good points. This is a really touchy situation. I do know that especially with creatine, I have NEVER once during the loading phase used any kind of sugar, juice(whatever name you want to call it by), and I had no problems. Now if someone is a "resistant", then that is another problem. But I do believe the grape juice, which is extremely high glycemic(the very reason it is chosen), will produce too many BS risings and fallings throughout the day, thus short circuiting any induced fat burning. With that very first spike, there goes your fat burning effects dead in its tracks. If weight is not an issue, then it may make some sense as stated. But if you are trying to force your body to feed on itself(burn fat to produce glycogen), then this is out the window with that first insulin rush, a pretty hefty dose of glycogen in grape juice. -------------- Failing to plan is like planning to fail!
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/02/14, 06:33 PM Thanks guys for clearing that myth up. -------------- Nothing is too small to know, and nothing is too big to attempt! Ivan Montreal Canada
johnguy Posts: 104 Joined: 2003/01/29	2003/02/15, 10:04 AM mac: don't know if i am a non responder or not. have not taken this stuff yet. my original question was just asking about the juice thing because i thought it was fine with water until the gnc person talked. :) let you know in a few weeks how i respond to it.
lbsergio Posts: 2 Joined: 2003/02/18	2003/02/18, 03:57 PM I've decided to start using Creatine as well. Thank you for the information about juice vs. water. The other conflicting information I have read regards WHEN to take it. I've read that one should take it before exercise and I've also read that I should take it right after exercise? Also - I've read conflicting information about creatine loading. Some say I should take 4 5grams a day in the first week, others say that is just a waste and is recommend to sell more product. What are you guys doing?
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/02/18, 06:08 PM I never loaded when I used it. And I took it b4 and after workouts. -------------- Nothing is too small to know, and nothing is too big to attempt! Ivan Montreal Canada
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/02/18, 07:08 PM As Carivan say, 5 gr. before and 5 after work fine. On off days just 5 gr. At least that is the protocol I follow. Seems to work well. -------------- Failing to plan is like planning to fail!
johnguy Posts: 104 Joined: 2003/01/29	2003/02/18, 07:37 PM thanks bb1fit, thats what i wanted to know.
lbsergio Posts: 2 Joined: 2003/02/18	2003/02/18, 09:53 PM Thank you for the feedback, I will give that a try!
YodelingAdam Posts: 111 Joined: 2002/12/30	2003/04/05, 09:45 PM Now I'm confused, insulin spikes induce fat storage? It can't be that bad if so many companies now are mixing sugar and creatine into powders (Cell tech, AST creatine to name a couple).