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xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/07, 12:46 PM i understand that a workout should not last longer then 45 minutes but if im having trouble with that on ab days.. is it okay to do my abs(30 minutes) in the morning and then my other workout later on..(about 45 minutes)..
ecle5c Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/07/10	2006/08/07, 05:19 PM As long as you're eating enough and drinking enough water it shouldn't be a problem. Give yourself a good 8 hours or so between workouts though.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/08, 03:53 AM Dude, you're doing 30 minutes of abdominal training? Is something wrong with you? -------------- Iron and chalk.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/08, 03:54 AM Why would you train you're abdominal different than any other muscle group? -------------- Iron and chalk.
jeramiemaza Posts: 167 Joined: 2006/08/02	2006/08/08, 07:57 AM I know personally I forget about my abs a lot. I am not an athlete so I tend to over look it. I realize thats a problem though. -------------- http://www.myspace.com/jeramiemaza
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/08, 02:40 PM yeah prolly 20 to 30 minutes a workout maybe 2 or 3 times a week. wuts wrong with that. i use weighted crunches, leg raises, and weighted side bends. because your abs recover faster then any other muscle group. Jeramie i ussually tend to have to really motivate myself before i start them =). its not sumthing that anyone looks forward too.
yadmit Posts: 4,670 Joined: 2003/10/05	2006/08/08, 03:06 PM Do you do thirty minutes of arm work? That's a lot of ab stuff... -------------- I am training for birthdays. Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
ecle5c Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/07/10	2006/08/08, 08:59 PM How about 30 min of leg work, or back work, or shoulder work?
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/08, 09:49 PM how many minutes do you guys possibly spend on your arms. you cant tell me you dont spend at least 20 minutes on your arms. to tell you the truth it ussually is about 20 minutes of ab work. but im sure i have spent 30 minutes on my arms. what do you guys have like 10 minute workouts? i didnt think 30 minutes was a long time at all. my abs seem to feel the effects...
msmogreen Posts: 717 Joined: 2006/04/22	2006/08/08, 10:05 PM When I follow the ab program here it takes me about 20 minutes to complete as well (i.e., 3 sets of 25 x 3 different exercises). On oblique exercises like twisting crunches for instance, that is a total of 75 reps to each side. Which it would go faster.
yadmit Posts: 4,670 Joined: 2003/10/05	2006/08/08, 10:50 PM I don't think you need to do 30 minutes of work, stricly focusing on the abs... a couple of movements with weights may be all that's necessary... depending upon your goals. That being said, if I've understood wrestler correctly in the past, big movements, like squats, done correctly will give you flat abs too... along, of course, with a proper diet. It seems to me 30 minutes is just too excessive. What are the movements being done that it takes 30 minutes? How many reps, sets? How long are the rest periods? That will all vary as well... When I was doing ab work at the end of my routine, I would do two, maybe three movements, two to three sets each and it never took half an hour. I will agree, though, the ab routine on FT can take a while to complete, but remember, that's also and extra add on to the routine FT already gives you. t -------------- I am training for birthdays. Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/08, 11:03 PM Hey dude, youre the one with the huge guns... What makes you think your abs recover faster than other muscle groups? Or that they do not get enough volume from heavy deadlifting and squatting? You say your abs "feel the effects", but I'd bet that you look and are no different than when you first posted a few months ago. -------------- Iron and chalk.
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/11, 01:47 AM i just timed it today. it took 22 minutes. i do weighted crunches, leg raises, and weighted side bends. 3 sets of each. probably about 30 seconds of rest between each set and exercise. you are maybe the first i have ever heard speak of dramatic changes in the volume of your abs through deadlifts or squats. i incorperate squats into my ruitine but not deadlifts. i probably should start though. they are supposed to be one of the best compound movements to do right. i got the idea of your abs recovering faster then other muscles from moderators such as mojo i think. i dont really remember but i have recieved it from plenty of sources. plus ive heard from my schools personal trainers that 2-3 days of abs a week is perfectly fine. i didnt mean to offend what you were trying to imply wrestler. i kno your trying to correct me but a less hostel approach would be easier. i have achieved a six pack along with 15 pounds onto my bench. i would like to define my abs much further and obviously i want my bench to increase dramatically but these goals dont come overnight. i am working hard to achieve these goals but your constant hostelity and sarcasim doesnt help nyone. so what im trying to say is GO SHOVE A BARBELL UP YOUR A$$! thank you for your time.
	2006/08/11, 01:28 PM Misterbugy, You are digging yourself a bigger hole every time you open your trap. Quoting from you "you are maybe the first i have ever heard speak of dramatic changes in the volume of your abs through deadlifts or squats." Well I think you have been talking to the wrong people. No one said that you could not work your abs twice a week, but 20-30 minutes on abs seems extreme, that is a lot of volume. Especially since you would also be strengthening your core while doing your big lifts like Wrestler mentioned. Take a deep breath and relax.
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/11, 04:22 PM :big_smile: im not on anger management ka. i would never get upset at sumone trying to help me. i just asked a question and he spit it back in my face. he probably knos more about weightlifting then nyone on this page but he helps the least of nyone. if he wishes to post sumthing helpful more power to him but " Dude, you're doing 30 minutes of abdominal training? Is something wrong with you? " doesnt help me at all. im not going to ly and say that im an expert on bodybuilding or nutrition because im not but i cant use ny or wrestlers sarcastic comments to help me learn.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2006/08/11, 04:27 PM Could you at least use english? LOL you type worse than big andrew anyway he has helped out many here. -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 04:47 PM There it is again...poor ba...he get's thrown in anytime someone has spelling issues.We talked about this the other day,ba is much improved.Guess we'll have to use this xxmrbigattitudeandcantbackitupxx in the future.
	2006/08/11, 04:51 PM I do not want to add to the sarcasism, but.......... Are you really from the USA ? With spelling like that I thought you were from another country just trying to get by on English. You might want to put down the weights and pick up a BOOK. The future of America - God Bless Us All
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 04:53 PM So much for not wanting to add to the sarcasm... wait a minute...was that just sarcasm????? Yikes...you'd better get your boots boys it's getting deep in here.
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 04:58 PM Seriously though....my little friend(no sarcasm intended I swear)just ease back a little.I'm sure you felt insulted by what was said,consider your questions though...this was your post...you didn't like the answer you got (even though you asked for opinions)so you popped off.Nobody "spit" on your question...sometimes you have to be blunt to get a point across. You'll learn this as you get older. Stick with it and have fun....looking forward to your next post.
evol_js Posts: 111 Joined: 2006/03/19	2006/08/11, 05:01 PM *spits*
yadmit Posts: 4,670 Joined: 2003/10/05	2006/08/11, 05:04 PM In all honesty, it gets a little tiring answering the same questions... I'm not saying the original question was asked before, but some very similar. I wonder if there should be a "Dead Horse" forum. -------------- I am training for birthdays. Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 05:10 PM dead horse...as in beating it...I get that one too.I'm 2 for 2 today!
yadmit Posts: 4,670 Joined: 2003/10/05	2006/08/11, 05:14 PM hahahaha
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 05:16 PM uh-oh....I posted a question in regards to evol and his *spits*...I thought it was here....anybody find it...let me know!!!
evol_js Posts: 111 Joined: 2006/03/19	2006/08/11, 05:22 PM the forum was being funky for a minute what was the question? I spit on his question, I felt that somebody should.
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 06:23 PM Hahahahahahah...I got a cramp on that one!!!!
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/11, 08:13 PM :big_smile:hahhaha i know how to spell i guess im just a little bit too used to typing on aim. any way though you dont have to be rude to be blunt. im not here to be criticized or ridiculed. i asked a question and it was not answered by wrestler only mocked. the people coming to this site are almost all beginers to weightlifting. they should not feel embarassed to ask a question. that is the whole point of this place. it is not for experts to sit around and talk about some damn spelling error... it is for beginers to learn the ropes
KC_72 Posts: 3,249 Joined: 2006/05/19	2006/08/11, 08:18 PM OK...learn away
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2006/08/11, 09:04 PM Yup going to get a lot of answers like that. SO let me ask this as I seem to be taking all this the wrong way. You grew up with internet you KNOW most sites have a search function. Why not use it and READ some of the 230,000 plus posts here? -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/11, 10:55 PM Without reading the other posts... I'm not being hostile, I'm being me. I don't sugar coat for anyone. You think I'm tough now, you should try working out with me. Most workout partners don't last long. Second of all, yes you can work your abs everyday. However, you would be working your abs incorrectly. You're abdominal muscles are no different than your other muscles, yet I would be willing to be you are training them with high reps? Yes, high rep low intensity exercise can be done everyday, for ANY muscle group. Read my posts in Charlie's "the most frequently asked q on ft". Good read. However, to train your abs properly, high intensity, you can not do this everyday. -------------- Iron and chalk.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/11, 10:57 PM ============ Quoting from ogono: My abs workout takes about 30 min. thats how long it takes me to get through most of the exericses I know. Although I include core strength with abs in my workouts Take a look at some pilates exercises which work the abs and the core muscles, way over 30 min. ============= And I'm yet to see pilates work. In fact, I'm taking it now, not for the ab work but for mobility. In fact, ask any top coach their opinion on pilaties, they will say the same. It's better than nothing, but not much. -------------- Iron and chalk.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/11, 11:01 PM ============ Quoting from xxmisterbugyixx: he probably knos more about weightlifting then nyone on this page but he helps the least of nyone. if he wishes to post sumthing helpful more power to him but " Dude, you're doing 30 minutes of abdominal training? Is something wrong with you? " doesnt help me at all. im not going to ly and say that im an expert on bodybuilding or nutrition because im not but i cant use ny or wrestlers sarcastic comments to help me learn. ============= You say I help the least, yet I post in questions, because that is how people learn. If I ask you a question, and you look deep down rather than getting offended, you have to think about WHY. This is more important than you will ever know. In the weightlifting world, everything has to be about WHY. Therefor, I usually post a question, even if it can be offensive. Most posters will respond, try to make up an excuse, and I try to show how that excuse doesnt work. If I can impart the reasoning in on you, then I have helped you more than any of these people willing to give you a routine on a silver platter. -------------- Iron and chalk.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/11, 11:05 PM http://freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/pro/Message.jsp?f_ix=0&t_ix=6968
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/12, 12:14 AM see now what you just said completely makes sense and im deffinetly going to change my workout around. i did not question the fact that you have helped many people on this site just the particular comment you made to me. no offence but "Is something wrong with you?" isnt exactly a question i can look "deap down" to find. by ab training circles around weighted crunches with weight plates behind my head. this is high intensity but it hurts my elbows to do so. as i said before my workout consists of weighted crunches 3*10-15, leg raises 3*20-30, and weighted side bends 3*15-20. is this enough intensity or should increase it a bit?
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/08/12, 03:20 AM Change the exercise then. Hold the weight at your chest, just use more. Do swiss ball sit ups, etc. Increase the decline. There are many things you can do to make it more difficult. You're rep range is still a bit high. As for my comment, it was meant to show that the only reason I can possibly see for doing 30 minutes a day of abdominal training would be in a rehab sense, if something was generally wrong with someone. Other than that, there is no reason for it. -------------- Iron and chalk.
evol_js Posts: 111 Joined: 2006/03/19	2006/08/12, 11:34 AM Yet-- I see people spending 30 minutes on ab training at the gym all the time. What a shame.