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2007/05/26, 04:16 PM
Hello new to the site just looking for a reasonable football training program to follow and can work on and if any one with foot ball experience would be able to tell me what position i would be good for.
current stats are:
Hight:6'0"
weight: 220lbs (fairly solid)13%ish body fat
bench:180lbs
calves: can max out the universal at the gym
any feed back would be great
thanks
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2007/05/26, 06:31 PM
Line backer maybe?
but what do calves have to do with anything?
start squatting
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/26, 09:23 PM
We need to know what position you play. This changes everything.
No doubt, squats can be good, but I think there can be a much better chunk of advice for your performance besides, "start squatting." We need to know more.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2007/05/27, 01:00 AM
evidently he doesn't play football cause he is asking what posistion would he be good at with his stats...
You can over anaylze it if you wish..but if all he is doing is calves and benching....he needs to start squating.
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 10:49 AM
well i know legs are a big part of foot ball that's why i added that in but as far as my work outs go i run every day (never ran a 40 yard dash while being timed) work outs are fairly balanced, and yes i do squats and that averages around 300 on a "safety squat" machine and could do more easily i feel and don't worry I'm deleting the other 2
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2007/05/27, 11:05 AM
Give us your workout as of now...set reps etc.
are you playing yet? if not you need to go try out or talk to a coach at your school....the coaches can acess your strengths and weaknesses....and pick a posistion for you.
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 11:21 AM
I've been doing a gradual program and just finish my Max strength portion. and started my power portion. my max strength is:
Bench:180 plus bar 4-6 reps
military press: 45lbs 6-8 reps
seated bi's:45lbs 3-6 reps
squats: 300 "safety machine"
crunches twist and doubles: 3 sets of 30 each
Lat Pull Downs: 180 6-10 reps
Dead Lifts: 135 10-12 reps
Hang cleans: 115 3-7 reps
as for sets usually 3-4 unless I'm in a hurry
as for playing i kinda screwed up and thought the leagues around where i live stated in 2 months but they start in 2 weeks i talked to the coach ans he said there's room for me but i may not play till later in the season.
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2007/05/27, 11:25 AM
crap seated bi's are 90 (45 a side) plus bar
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2007/05/27, 11:42 AM
We gathered some of our EFS staff members and several others to discuss the top five lifts for football players. All of them have experience training football players, and all of them have some different ideas. We edited out some of the banter and the cussing to get to the meat of the discussion. If you?re a football coach or a strength coach for football, check this out. It may give you some ideas.
Dave Tate: What do you think are the five most important lifts for a football player?
Rob Lowe: I?m going to cheat here and pick five categories of important exercises. They are:
Multi-hip: squat, deadlift, split squats
Posterior chain: glute ham raise, semi-straight and straight leg deadlifts
Push: bench with multiple grips, dumbbell bench
Pull: chins, pulls, rows
Prehab/rehab: shoulder, neck, grip
If I had to pick five big exercises, I?d choose the squat, deadlift, glute ham raise, bench, and chins.
JackAss: That?s a solid group so I?d have to agree. With the five that you listed, there are hundreds of variations.
Sal Alosi: I will also agree?squat variation, posterior chain variation, horizontal push variation, horizontal/vertical pull variation, and prehab/rehab (shoulder, grip, neck, core). Yes, I cheated on number five.
Jim Wendler: I?m going to steal something from Dave on this one. My top three exercises would be the squat, bench, and deadlift. Now, you can choose 3?5 exercises that help build these three. For example, for the squat, you could choose lunges, glute ham raises, back raises, and various abdominal work. For the bench, you could do dumbbell bench, dumbbell incline bench, incline press, chins, and rows. And finally, for the deadlift, you could do the same exercises as with the squat.
Ok, so now on each variation, there can be other variations. But as a coach, I don?t want to have to teach someone a new lift every day. You can have many variables within a certain lift, but again, I don?t think you need to overcomplicate things. Remember that athletes don?t want to be strength coaches nor do they care to know too much about it. When you start having problems with your computer, do you want them to tell you exactly what?s going on and all of the intricacies? Or do you just want them to fix the problem? See my point?
C.J. Murphy: I like to do other stuff for athletes all at the right point in the program. I?d break it down to traditional and nontraditional. Traditional exercises would consist of squats, pulls (deadlift), pressing, posterior chain work (glute ham raises, reverse hyperextensions, keystone deadlifts?similar to Romanian deadlifts), and rows. Nontraditional exercises include Atlas stones, tire flipping, weighted walking (farmers, wheel barrow, super yoke), log pressing, and sled work (dragging, sprinting, arm over arm).
Gym lifts are the foundation; events are fun. Fun is cool. So is dip and iced coffee. Too bad dip, iced coffee, and Guinness won?t get me strong and jacked. I?d be the best athlete in the world.
Mark McLaughlin: Jim is correct. Keep it simple. If the athlete asks you what time it is, don?t tell him how the watch was built. Tell him the time and be done with it. My top five exercises are
box squats, bench press, deadlifts, reverse hypers, and glute ham raises.
For younger athletes, keep it simple and fun. Currently, we?re having a glute ham raise contest over three weeks for freshman, sophomores, and juniors who are new to the movement. After three weeks, we?re going to see who can do the most correctly executed glute ham raises over three sets. The winner will get a ?Darkside? T-shirt.
James Smith: I?m going to go against the grain with some of the thoughts presented on this one.
Jim Wendler: That?s no surprise.
James Smith: With my athletes, I create an environment that covers the fundamentals of PASM?physical, psychological, tactical, and technical. The preparation of these components is key. I believe that within the context of GPP, tactical and technical mastery is highly dependent upon the athletes? awareness in the weight room or wherever else general/nonspecific training occurs. So, I believe there is great significance in a derivative of PASM that must be directed towards GPP. This may be considered in terms of two PASMs being developed concurrently?one toward sport and the other toward GPP methods.
Of course, the two are mutually dependent to a degree, but I feel that coaches (who know what they?re talking about) owe it to the athletes to educate them. In my view, this MUST be done because too many coaches out there don?t know. I want my athletes to gain awareness so that when they?re under the tutelage of an idiot, they possess the capacity to ?know what time it is.?
For every workout, I take about 3?5 minutes at the end and discuss certain aspects of the workout and the significance of certain methods. I keep it short and to the point, and I make sure that I impress the concept of transference to sport and why the athletes should consider the information highly valuable. I make it clear that I?m not trying to create a team of strength coaches but rather a collective group of young athletes who have the growing awareness that will render them more ?prepared? for the years to come.
I also stress that the athletes take time throughout the day and become more aware of their physiological ?state.? The more in tune with their organism they become, the more they?re able to assist me in individualizing their training for the day. This is highly effective and enables me to confidently manage 55 athletes by myself. We must never forget that a young and motivated athlete is much more receptive and open-minded toward any ideas that will serve to facilitate their development than an egotistical, self-serving, insecure, ignorant coach who would rather argue than admit that he/she has been doing it wrong all of these years.
Elite Fitness Systems strives to be a recognized leader in the strength training industry by providing the highest quality strength training products and services while providing the highest level of customer service in the industry. For the best training equipment, information, and accessories, visit us at www.EliteFTS
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 11:43 AM
do you do all that in one day?
what is the "split" or days you workout on..and what do you do....
what's a safty machine?
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 11:57 AM
yeah i do it all in a day but go to the gym every other day, the other portions of the program i am on had more exercises (around 14), and was split in to 2 different days . The power training portion which i am on now is a 4 day a week schedule, 2 different targeted areas each workout day, one day upper, day off, day lower, day off, ect.
The safety machine is where you place plates on the side and they are connected to arms which have pads that go on your shoulders and back of the head. so it's basically a squat for a person who has crappy balance or no one to spot... which i really do.
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2007/05/27, 12:01 PM
I'd get out of that machine....you need the balance and stability training...
That too much for one day.
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 12:46 PM
ok will do... so with more information given is line backer still the prime choice?
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2007/05/27, 05:26 PM
up to your coach to descide. If he is any good he should be able just by looking at you and your skill level and see where you would best fit the puzzle.
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\"The eight laws of learning are explanation, demonstration, imitation, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition\"
You have to learn to follow, before you can lead.
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2007/05/27, 05:48 PM
My bad...didn't realize that he didn't even know his position yet. Sounds like you might be a decent size for tight end in high school?
I would also highly recommend DeFranco's stuff for football players. That's more his specialty. Check out www.defrancostraining.com for some already laid-out programs.
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I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious.
--Vince Lombardi
"Decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work." H. L. Hunt
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2007/05/30, 09:34 AM
Get stronger. Getting stronger will help you excel at ANY position in football. With the strength will also come speed. Listen to these guys, they know what they are doing...
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2007/05/30, 03:42 PM
We cannot tell you based on your size what position you should play. It depends on the level and what the team needs. My freshman year of college, I played defensive tackle at only 215-220 lbs. But I was by far the fastest lineman on the team in the 40. Athletically I could have been a linebacker, but I was simply batter at d-line. Football is much tougher from the non physical aspect, it depends on your ability to read and make decisions. Because if you can't get to the ball, it doesn't matter what else you can do.
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2007/06/24, 12:07 AM
If you're quick, and you like hitting people as hard you can every play you can get yours hands on, Just go out for Defense, and the coaches will put you in the right place once they time you and such.
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2007/07/07, 12:27 AM
u would suit a line backer position
get quciker , get your techniques right , plays , and hands
you will be the next urlacher/ray lewis
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