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2004/08/07, 03:43 AM
Hello everyone,
I am an 18 yr old who has been training for about a year and a half and I ordered animal mstak but I instead received animal stak and now I cannot return it since I opened it. My question is wether it is a good idea to take the animal stak for the 3 weeks wait a week then switch over to the animal mstak. I originally did not want the animal stak because I think that as an 18 yr old I have enough testosterone and I def do not want any of the side effects (especially the acne and premature balding). So do you guys think only taking one cycle of animal stak will be harmful? I appreciate any help that you guys can give on these issues!
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2004/08/09, 11:33 AM
If you want a great case of GYNO take either one of those products IMHO you should chalk it up to a loss and trash it. Animal stack and M stack is alot of everything but not enough of one indgriediant. Read Pogue's analysis on bodybuilding.com go to the search function on their forum and type in either animal stack or m-stack. 18? Is too young to be taking PH's. Please people dont buy off HYPE!! Research what you are putting in your body! Know the side effects! By the way what are your PCT plans? If you do not know the answer to this question you dont have any business taking prohormones sorry to be so blunt but it bothers me when companies target the newbie so to speak just to get them to buy their stuff. I own a supplement company and if you called to buy from me, my first two questions would be, How old are you? How long have you been training? 1.5 years training? You are know where near your natural potential. My advice eat, sleep, train, and grow! If you are going to use supplements find a good multivitamin, creatine, and quality whey protein.
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keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com
www.seriousnutritonsolutions.com
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2004/08/09, 06:20 PM
I agree that since AxilG is only 18, he shouldn't be taking any supplements...other than probably a good multivitamin. As far as the Stak or M-Stak, I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions.
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**_Robert_**
Pain is temporary; glory is forever!
E-mail: rpacheco@freetrainers.com
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2004/08/09, 07:41 PM
Animal Stak:
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 50mg
Zinc (as picolinate) 15mg 100%
Chromium (as picolinate) 100mcg
5-Androstenediol 50mg <--- WOW! 50mg of an old PH?
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 250mg
L-Ornithine Alpha- Ketoglutarate 1.3g
Chrysin 250mg
Saw Palmetto (fruit) 200mg
Ma-Huang Extract (standardized for 10 mg ephedra alkaloids) 167mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCl) 10mg
4-Androstenedione 100mg <--- WOW! 100mg of 4-AD!? considering it takes upwards of 300 to 600mgs to be effective
Dehydroepiandrosterone 50mg
L-Carnitine 100mg
L-Taurine 750mg
Kudzu Extract (isoflavones) 150mg
Pygeum Africanum Hook. f. (bark) 50mg
Lysophosphatidylcholine 100mg <--
Calcium (as sulfate, phosphate) 200mg
Tribulus Extract (standardized for 20-29% steroidal saponins) 250mg <--- Holy Crap! 250 entire mgs of 20-29% (that's high grade sure!) trib!?
L-Arginine Pyroglutamate 2.5g
Colostrum (bovine) 250mg
Beta-Sitosterol 250mg
Kola Extract (standardized for 60 mg caffeine) 500mg
Milk Thistle (seed) 75mg <--- Who needs 1000mg when apparently 75 will do!
As you can alot of Animal products contain alot of everything but not enough of one thing dont get me wrong they do put out a few good products liver tabs are good but how hard are they to mess up. your money can be well spent on other products
Animal Test
This is basically Universal's new 1-test product. The gimmick looks like to me is that they are trying to make this the "Sustanon" of 1-test products. They have a proprietary blend of 325mg of 1-test THP ether, 1-test undecanote, 1-test base and 1,4andro. There is no point to this except to make beginners think that there is something special about using all 3 1-test hormones together. But, all of this wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that its in a cyclodextrin complex. Now, cyclodextrin's are okay, except for the fact that they want you to swallow this. Secondly, if you were to dissolve it under your tongue, most of it wouldn't get absorbed. First of all, cyclodextrins are supposed to be sublignual. Secondly, the most you can get out of a hormone sublingually at a time is 25mg. So, its worthless. Swallowing it will probably yield some ingredients, but still its pointless in this manner. They also have a few other ingredients with are not worth mentioning, but needless to say - there is no point to this product
Animal Pak
Okay product, fine to use - still cheaper products available
Animal Pak is their multivitamin product. It comes in packets and you take two a day. For the most part, this looks pretty decent. Their new blend looks better to me than their old one. They do have some strange stuff in here though, such as Smilax and Ginseng. They have low dose L-Carnitine, which does no good and low Chromium Picolinate. They also include Colostrum in a dose of 25mg which is absolutely worthless, and an essential fatty acid complex, which is too low of a dose to be sufficient.
Everything else with this product looks okay. I'm not entirely impressed with it, but there would be nothing wrong with taking it
I just feel like alot of universal products are underdosed and overpriced thats my opinion it only actually costs a few bucks to make this product trust me
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keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com
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2004/08/09, 07:45 PM
my bad only a few dollars to make but quite a few dollars to advertise in Flex and Muscle and Fitness try upwards of 15k per month for a 1 page ad!
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keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com
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2004/08/09, 08:07 PM
Longballer, I've read a number of your posts and I finally checked out your websight. I gotta say I don't understand what your products are. Are they growth hormones? Steroid related? What is your background? You have no profile. Your info in the users online section says you are 21. Tell us about yourself.
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Waterskis with buffalo
Charlie
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2004/08/09, 08:37 PM
Charlie-
Im 28 years old I am the CFO for Serious Nutrition Solutions LLC half owner I have 2 partners that work with me. We carry a full line of Methylated Prohormone/prosteroids until they are banned? Other products include Nitro-Octane (2:1 ratio of DiArgine 5 grams and Citrilline Malate 3 grams) BCAA Supreme that contains (glutamine and glutamine peptides) also CVM Xtreme (5 grams of Dicreatine Malate also Citrilline malate and Di Arginine Malate)We have close to 15 more products we are set to release this year most of them will be in our general health line. All raw materials we use do have american COA's and are HBLC tested. As far as my credentials I worked as a personal trainer independent for the past 8 years Im certified with ACE PFT and ISSA PFT, Golf fitness trainer, and sports nutrition certified with ISSA. Ive competed in numerous NPC shows and powewrlifting events I do have my own personal website www.khtraining.8m.com it was free so please excuse the pop ups. Currently BANG golf sponsors me on the Remax World Long Drive tour thats been my passion for the past couple of years. Our web designer is revamping our site and putting on the new products as I write this so hopefully it will be ready by the end of the week. We are a small company thats growing faster than we can keep up but our goal is not to short change consumers by underdosing our products but in the meanwhile keeping our products affordable. I forgot to mention I do not do the product development my partner does, his degree's are in chemistry and sports science, my degree business admin. I just handle sales and advertising all that fun stuff yippie! Go to bodybuilding.com look up SNS on their manufacturer list read the descriptions of our products they have all our new products I tried to do my best not to make outrageous claims and unwarrented statements about our products. We at SNS are just trying to make products that work! Call or email me if you have any questions I love to hear feedback on how we can do better.
Sincerely,
Keith Hardy
1-877-799-8778
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keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com
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2004/08/09, 08:58 PM
Thanks Keith
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Charlie
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2004/08/12, 04:49 PM
Keith, your products seem more expensive than the ones you've already mentioned from Universal Nutrition. If they are subsidizing their marketing from the price of their products (which basically every supplement company does, one way or another), shouldn't their prices be much higher than yours?
I've heard of competing supplement companies bash other companies because they lack the marketing clout of those larger companies. Be that as it may, I tend to trust those companies that actually spend $$ in research, as well as products that actually yield results.
I am not making any conclusions about your company or your products, but what makes them work?
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**_Robert_**
Pain is temporary; glory is forever!
E-mail: rpacheco@freetrainers.com
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