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2005/10/25, 03:24 PM
I was just wondering if anyone worked out there arms twice a week. I do not do much of a leg work out do to injuries. I do a lot of elliptical work out I find it still is hard on the knees but I can handle it. But to have a full work out can I do arms on Leg day which is Tuesday and again on Friday? Or is this over training?
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2005/10/25, 03:39 PM
Everyone has different opinons on this. I workout the same bodypart twice a week. I have no ill effects from it.
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2005/10/25, 06:06 PM
I do each bodypart 2 to 4 times per week. As a powerlifter, I need frequency. I don't seperate as much as many of you guys do. Instead, I just seperate between upper and lower.
As for doing arms on leg day, yes, you could, but it might not be the most optimal program for you. Instead, I would work on steadily increasing the volume of your lower body workouts.
Like hec said, everyone is different. I know menace trains legs every 2-3 weeks, while I have meet olympic lifters that trained the clean twice a day for 5 days in one week. It's all about finding what works for you
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2005/10/25, 10:21 PM
Also to add....depends on level of the person training.....
if your a beginer.....then no, but if you know basicly what your doing, and know when to back off, then do what you want.
I like wrestler do things 2 times a week or so....but it does come down to volume, rest and diet.
But FYI theres more to getting big arms than 2x a week lol.
I train arms very infrequently.....but my arm are fairly nice size...
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2005/10/25, 11:07 PM
atmasters doing squats will had mass to your arms,because working the largest muscle in your body,will give you hgh,human growth hormone to release in to your blood stream,if your arms are a neglected body part or a slow moving muscle,its not moving in growth then,work it twice or even three times a week.you have to keep in mind that you need to eat alot of good food to grow an inch or two,its not just about training a muscle you need to eat right,get good quality sleep,and to know the right ways to train.
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2005/10/26, 11:50 AM
so if i have been working out for about 2years or so and i feel like i am not straining myself anymore even when uppin the weights... it might be recommended to work each muscle group more often? the only thing i am ever sore on is after i do deadlifts and after leg days.
-nate
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2005/10/26, 12:01 PM
Like Andrew said - Just keep track of how you're doing and watch for signs that you need to take a break. From reading on this site I'd guess the majority of us work out more than 4 times a week but most of us aren't in competition mode either.
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2005/10/26, 01:02 PM
I made a post on this a while back. I think it is imparitive for growth to hit the muscle twice per week. Studies show that endurance atheletes take 3 times per week at least for the body to adapt and progress, I believe the same will hold true for muscle. Reserach shows that protein synthesis is elevated for 24 h. post workout. After that, return to baseline. Thus too long, and you are spending your time maintaining muscle rather than growing some. If you do not give the body a reason to adapt and grow, why would it? I do believe there is optimal times for different muscles though for rest periods.
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2005/10/26, 01:17 PM
I'm only in gym 3 times a week....however i'm in season.....so i'm physically active somtimes 7 days a week.
I persoanlly like the rest to grow method.
If you do 2days a week, i'd make 1 day heavy, the other day a lil lighter.
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2005/10/26, 06:13 PM
I work the body one and a half times per week then start where I finished off. I find that it gives each muscle plenty time to recoup and time to grow. Near contest time I increase my intensity. 4 days to get through the body, repeat and take Sunday off. Pick up Monday where I left off. It works really well for me.
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2005/10/26, 08:02 PM
I find that after each workout I am so sore that even thinking about working them again is not a option. Only groups I would even consider are abs, calves, foramrs, bi and tri. Even then I am very leary of do Bi and Tri more than 4-8 sets total per week. That is me cause I was doing a full chest work out for powerlifting, then hitting both triceps and later in the week shoulders. Same for back and biceps. I found that lifting for the 3 lifts and still doing a full bodybuilding routine, cause soreness in the shoulders and triceps. So I would suggest to try out a few methods to see what is best.
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2005/10/26, 11:03 PM
ok... welll right now i do
mon-chest/bi
tue-legs/abs
wed-shoulder/traps/tri
thu-back/abs
and each day takes me from 1hr to 1.5 sometimes 2. how would i do this more a week without going way over optimum time (45 minutes i believe?)? obviously i see i could do more on weekends but i am tryin to prevent that. so pretend i dont mind workin out anytime... what would be optimal set up? also... i didnt like doin upper one day and the lower cuz i found i was way to dead from chest work to do triceps effectively. thanks all
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2005/10/27, 12:35 AM
I would recommend upper one day and lower another. Alwyn Cosgrove states that 90% of trainee's fall into this kind of category. However, if you are against that...
Your workouts should by no means be 2 hours long. 1 hour max.
What you need to do is post your workouts for each day. I would be willing to be you aren't doing many compound movements if your workouts take that long. That or you are doing way too many sets with too much rest.
Post your workouts, and I will continue to pick it apart.
Also, have you tried doing bench, then upper back/bis, then coming back to triceps???? Also, how much isolation work can you possibly need for tri's after benching????
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Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/27, 02:07 AM
Contrary to what people want to think, working out and growing through weight training is not an exact science. Folks these days are looking for some study or "expert" to tell them this is the right way! Let me tell you all, it is basic and it is simple.
Pick up heavy things.
Put them down.
Eat
Rest
Do it again.
Do this on a consistent basis, and you will progress.
The only real "science" comes with the diet. This is an artform, whether bulking or cutting, one transitions into the other if you stay with this.
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2005/10/27, 08:04 AM
LOL "pick up heavy things"! That is so true:laugh:
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2005/10/27, 02:25 PM
yea I agree bb1....so many want the "magical" workout. When I went from a more bodybuilding type workouts, to strickly powerlifting....my strength skyrocketed of coarse, and my chest got bigger seemed like over night, so did my legs, arms etc.
I think the key thing to any workout is change....and of coarse diet.
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2005/10/27, 03:20 PM
I agree that bodybuilding may not have one magical workout, but strength training and athletics is defianetly a science. By no means whatsoever will it ever be an exact, one size fits all science, as most of this science, especially with powerlifting, is based around "feel". That is why weightlifting is the most well researched sport, and why the top trainers in the world make millions of dollars.
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2005/10/27, 03:26 PM
didnt mean to post that yet...
Anyways, I do agree that most people make it overly complicated, but if you are looking for an edge, than physiology is defianetly needed.
You say "science" like it is a bad thing. I prefer to back up my claims with well researched and well tested studies.
Andrew, also, you exercise on a westside split, one of the MOST complicated powerlifting routines out there. Have you ever read the russian research that louie devised his system off of??? Its in depth stuff. Although you are correct that change is key, as this is the concept that conjugated periodization is built around.
As for pick up heavy things, that is the first rule of athletic training
1. Put a heavy weight on the ground.
2. Pick it up a bunch of different ways.
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Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/27, 07:48 PM
Folks are looking for a magic workout, or one "science" relates to them to follow.
I re iterate science is not needed for working out. People have to realize that it is with 100% certainty that 100% of the folks on this board will never look like ronie coleman. These drug filled mass monsters are the highlight of all the magazines. Someday they will pay a price.
There were some very talented, fantastic physiques built by folks like Steve Reeves, Reg Park, Bill Pearl, who did just as I mentioned...pick up heavy things, put them down, eat, rest. No "science" involved.
Remember this, Charles, Ian, all these guys also have an agenda. They either sell their services or promote products. Follow the money. They all have valid workouts, any workout worth its weight will work for you if you do it. I have been doing this for 30 yrs., remember when Arnold first came over here and hadn't won his first Olympia. Vince Gironda was the man....he says, pick up heavy things, put them down, eat, rest.
No matter whose workout you choose to follow that has been "scientifically" researched, whether Charles Poliquin, Ian King, whomever, years from now if you are still doing this you will look back and think, hhmmm, I picked up heavy things, put them down, ate well, and rested.
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2005/10/27, 11:06 PM
ok wrestler here goes
my reps always change cuz somedays i cant get those last couple reps out and others days i can get out more (this was this weeks stuff)
mon-
decline press 6*2 (reps*set)
flat bench 8/6/4
incline press 2/8/4
cable cross 8*2
hammer curls 4/5/4
chin ups 8/6
preacher curls (EZ) 8/7/5
reverse curls 8/8
forearm curls 8/8 (front and reverse)
tue-(this was 2 weeks ago... i havent been able to get to legs lately... kinda sux but at least i am playin football to "use them")
squats 8/8/8
leg extensions 8/8/8
leg presses 8/8
leg curls 8/7
calf raises 10/10/10
cable crunch 8/8/8
weighted side 10/10
some other abs stuf... i dont record them really well
wed-
db military press 10/6/7
front raises 8/9/8
side raises 9/8/8
rear lat raises 9/8/8
upright chin press 8/8/6 -fat bar
shrugs 8/8/10-fat bar
skull crushers(lying extensions) 10/7/7
weighted dips 7/8/6
close grip press 10/8/8
thu-
deadlifts 7/6/5
hyperextension 8/8/8
dumbell rows 8/7/7
pulldowns 8/7/6
machine lat rows 8/7/7
and then abs again...
first off.. a lot of this stuff i am tryin to lower my reps and up my weight more with so its basically trial and error, but feel free to pick my workout apart completely because it is definetly time for a new workout system... been doin this for about 8 weeks give or take a few exercizes.
thanks a lot for any and all help in advance
-nate
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2005/10/27, 11:20 PM
Thats a lot of volume. Why so many exercises each day???
If you dont want to workout on weekends, then make wednesday a rest day. This is the "Rest".
Other than that, keep the order of the days how it is.
You have sound choice in movements.
While cutting back on exercises, I would take out the leg extension, as they aren't the most effective exercise, and you should get plenty of quadricep development from the squats and leg press.
I would recommend cutting out a 2 exercises per day, and then rotating those exercises in and out with other exercises.
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Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/27, 11:26 PM
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Pick up heavy things.
Put them down.
Eat
Rest
Do it again.
Do this on a consistent basis, and you will progress.
AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RON HAS FINALLY POSTED DOWN TO MY LEVEL!!!!
BB1 bro, why didn't you tell me this years ago. I GOT IT!!!!I FIIIIIIINNAAAALLLYYY GOT IT.
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2005/10/27, 11:29 PM
pick up heavy things
rest
eat
repeat
Yes, this works, but it can always be made better. There are many ways to pick up a weight. And rest can always be made more effective.
Poliquin and King do it for a living. I am not saying that they dont. But poliquin gets results when the best in the world are stuck. He is well credited because he is effective. He gets results, even when just picking up a weight has failed.
Also, as for following the money, Poliquin doesn't work for some bodybuilding magazine. Poliquin owns a certification program. He works for no one other than him self. That means if he fails, then its his loss. Not the loss of some magazine with arnold or vince on the front with their "secret workout plan" for a "massive medial brachialis". He works with best athletes in the world and for himself.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/27, 11:32 PM
It's just easier to remember without all those extra words that you, Ron and Menace put in.
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2005/10/27, 11:34 PM
:laugh: I agree with you
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2005/10/28, 04:19 AM
that's simple enough but considering the amount of 'dumb' people out there...that's very dangerous advice...they are safer doing nothing...pick up heavy things is very relative...someone might kill themselves trying that...
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2005/10/28, 10:16 AM
Too bad about Poliquin....I used to be a big fan of his, have you by perchance listened to him lately? He has gone off the proverbial deep end. His books are outstanding, read them before you probably ever thought of lifting Wrestler. The Poliquin Principles?? You cannot even find that book! Not a knock at you in any way, just a fact.
To get back to the original post, which is can you work a muscle twice per week, I say yes you can. It really is a pretty simple thing to determine your recovery threshold/frequency on bodyparts. As I stated in my earlier post, I believe each has a different window. Simply try hitting that bodypart again in "x" amount of days. If you are weaker than the last time(on a consistent basis, not just because of one bad workout), then you are most probably not fully recovered and need more rest. If however you are equalling or passing your last training period, then you are fully recovered.
Another thing to think about, the body will adapt to whatever recovery time it needs by your doing. I am a firm believer in you can train the body to be a more efficient healer. In other words, if you want the body to recover faster, it can be done by "training" the body to do it. (again within reason). If the body "knows" it will always have "x" amount of time to recover, for instance 7 days, it will most probably use that time. If you keep pushing it to new limits, it will have to adapt at some point to those limits(sensibly of course). The body is smart, and it is strong. Most folks have no idea just how much the body can take.
I have been working with folks on just this premise. The ones who work more frequently, are in fact gaining much more than the 7 day folks. More frequent training, more efficient healing, thus more gains. Again, studies show that it takes a minimum of 3 times per week for endurance athlets bodies to adapt and progress. Bodybuilders of course do not have studies of this done due to the difficulty. But muscle growth is an expensive proposition for the body to undertake, more to maintain, and it does not want to do it. If not "forced" to adapt to grow, it will not do so, or it will but slower and more reluctant. Many years can be wasted learning this.
Back in the old days for example, I had the classic "Pirates Dream" for a chest, you know, the sunken chest. Well, guess what I did, I worked my chest, and worked my chest, and worked my chest again, 3 days per week. Guess what is now one of my best bodyparts when competing? You guessed it, my chest. I have folks asking me all the time what I do for my chest, and how well developed it is. We had no scientific workout to follow, we simply lifted heavy things, put them down, ate well and rested. Repeated the above over and over. I am talking some of the best pros.
You are the architect of your body. It is an efficient machine. It will respond. You can in fact train it.
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2005/10/28, 10:23 AM
You are categorizing people Menace, "the amount of dumb people"??? So people really need to be held by the hand, they can't figure out what this means? Relative??? Geez, this again is not rocket science, how explicit need it be? You should be able to show folks if you are a trainer how to use the equipment, proper form to use, and if they have any insight at all, in a matter of a couple times take the ball and run with it.
And if that is the truth, so many "dumb" folks, it is just a case of what I would consider "thinning of the herd". If they are that stupid as you put it, then they don't need to be picking up heavy things any time.
Most of these folks will not stay with it for any length of time anyway.
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that's simple enough but considering the amount of 'dumb' people out there...that's very dangerous advice...they are safer doing nothing...pick up heavy things is very relative...someone might kill themselves trying that...
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2005/10/28, 11:27 AM
Bb1 sadly that's the reality we live in whether we choose to accept it or not. You posted a while back yourself the many disclaimers companies need to put on their products because we live in a society of complete and utter idiots. For every intelligent person out there, there are 100 others who have thinking capacity of a monkey....Peoples backgrounds are quite different so I am not blaming that for being that way, i am just stating things I have witnessed. Yes we can simplify things quite a bit but most people won't have a clue nevertheless...and we have to be very careful when using certain qualifiers...Most people can't think for themselves....so that's why they need people with 1 day certifications to tell them what to do....not complaining...because i always have a job. LOL
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2005/10/28, 11:31 AM
As one comedian pointedly stated....we can't even chide out children for doing poorly in school....Jimmy, I expect better from you, than all Cs on your report card! Mommy I don't need As, and I can still be president of the US. That's world's most powerful country is run by a guy who never had above C average. Has an expression and intelligence of a monkey.... good natured one, but nevertheless....a monkey....bush can't hold a kindergarden book right side up...enough said...
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2005/10/28, 11:32 AM
That's right worlds*
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2005/10/28, 11:48 AM
Sadly, this is a result of politcal correctness gone horribly wrong.
Things will come full circle, always do.
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As one comedian pointedly stated....we can't even chide out children for doing poorly in school....Jimmy, I expect better from you, than all Cs on your report card! Mommy I don't need As, and I can still be president of the US. That's world's most powerful country is run by a guy who never had above C average. Has an expression and intelligence of a monkey.... good natured one, but nevertheless....a monkey....bush can't hold a kindergarden book right side up...enough said...
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2005/10/28, 01:26 PM
How is that a fact???? Poliquin has gone off the deep end??? He is STILL the most influential trainer to athletes in the western world. He changed the way ALL athletes train. Without him, strength training would be very different. As for the poliquin principles, how can you not find that book??? He is still very successful, and still training the best in the world, so I am not sure what you mean by any of that. No offense to you bb1, I respect you very much, but you are denouncing one of the most well respected men in the iron game. I realize you have more experiance at this, and have seen the passing of many "guru's", but when these guys are the ones getting results, I listen. I have traveled to Ohio to here Poliquin speak, and to Pennsylvania for a westside seminar and been hit in the chest with a broom stick by dave tate. These men know what they are doing, because they get results. Yes, they are still lifting heavy things, but they are doing it better.
Also, I never questioned how long you have been doing this for. But I would appreciate it if you would stop refering to my age as inexperiance. I have only been training for 8 years, and most of this was misguided, uneffecient training that didn't help at all. But I have paid top dollar to hear men like poliquin speak, and read everything out there to learn what I can. There is yet to be a topic discussed on this board or anywhere else that I have not understood. I have spent hours learning what I can as to "how to lift heavy weight off the ground". As such, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't dismiss everything I say as inexperiance using an elitist attitude. thank you
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Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/29, 12:01 PM
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2005/10/29, 12:08 PM
My figure was wrong, forgot how much Vit. C it really was. See below.
Anyway, ask poliquin anything, he will immediatly check your mercury levels in your teeth and put you on a 150G Vit C injection.
Or, how about this one....
Anyone over 10% is fat and should only use glutamine to replace glycogen!
Or, how about this quote from his latest interview...
The Water type is the most Ying of all the elements. They are the least physical or outward of the types. An accumulation phase for a Water type would consist of licking a dried prune10 times.
I do not deal with water types, either, and I usually direct them to the nearest Yoga studio. Their genetic pool needs a hefty dose of chlorine.
Luckily, most Metal and Water types don’t gravitate towards weight training.
What in the hell does that mean??? :laugh:
Need I go on????
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2005/10/29, 04:00 PM
ok, where have you ever heard that he uses glutamine to replace glycogen????
As for the "water type" it is based on russian research, and it has to do with individual body types exercising differently. Basicly, someone that is predisposed tobe an endurance athlete shouldn't train like a powerlifter.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-041-training
There's a short article explaining it.
As for 150g of VitC, I have never heard that. Poliquin only recommends a max of 10G daily.
Either way, whether you agree with it or not, he gets results. Just because you haven't taken the time to understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work. If it didn't work, then he wouldn't be where he is now.
Read the article, and let me know what you think. You off all people should know exactly what he means, since I am sure you have had experiance training people that respond differently to all types of stimulus.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/29, 04:45 PM
Direct from the interview bro...
WL: How do you feel about glutamine?
CP: I’ve used a lot of it. I use it with fat
guys as a substitute to replace glycogens after
a workout. I use about 60g post-workout.
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CP: No.When a guy can’t gain weight, a
quick cure is 80g of glutamine per day for a
few days. It helps them repair the gut lining
so they can absorb food better. I actually
like glutamine. I consider fat as anyone with
more than 10% body fat. Until they get to
10%, I only use whey protein, glycine and
glutamine post workout. If they get over
10%,we start using glutamine.
WL: Will you do no carbs during the whole
2 hour window post workout when you are
using glutamine?
CP: Correct.No carbs if you are fat.
http://www.bodyofscience.com/issues/summer_2005/pdfs/poliquin_summer2005.pdf
Look, I was a huge fan of Charles for a long time. If you search FT, you will find me quoting him numerous times. But ,hearing things like this sure makes a rational person sit up and go, huh???
This is precious, probably my favorite from the interview...
150 g/day vitamin C IV can take you to 3.48% bodyfat with no change in diet.
Yes, that is right, he states 150 gr. and he was getting an IV when he was doing the interview with Bill Llewlyn.
Nothing against you bro, the guy knows his stuff. But, he has somehow dropped off the deep end lately. I think the drugs have finally caught up with him.
Try not to follow anyone blindly.
More.....and read down, he was getting a 50 GR. BAG OF VIT. C WHILE DOING THE INTERVIEW!
WL: You mentioned to me that you got this treatment yourself first for
a medical condition.Do you mind me asking the details surrounding
that?
CP:Not at all. I had a series of heart attacks back in 1994. It was due
to mercury poisoning from my teeth.At first,they thought it was a magnesium
problem,which was true,but it was not the cause.Two of my
brothers died of heart attacks at a young age.You see,with mercury poisoning,
let’s say we both had a level of 50 mercury in the blood,and 3
is the acceptable norm,you might suffer from insomnia and prostate
pain,while I might have heart attacks but we may have the same mercury
dosage.
WL:I do understand that mercury poisoning can cause a very diverse
set of problems.
CP: It depends on which tissues it likes to go to and infect in the body.
There are people that have a mercury level of 18,which isn’t that high,
and they have chronic fatigue syndrome.The more protein you eat,the
more you can mask the mercury poisoning. I have seen a tri-athlete where their performance wasn't going anywhere. I said, Okay, come and test your mercury", and it came back at 128, which is VERY high. This was a vice president of a major bank, very driven type of lady. We treated her for mercury, and in 6 treatments she'd down to 58. Without change in training, diet or anything, her bodfat went from 18 to 11. It was just from the mercury detox. We have found a lot of people
who can’t get lean no matter what they do.When we check their heavy
metals,they always test positive.Then we detox them depending on what
it is. You know, it’s different depending on whether you’re treating for
nickel,mercury,arsenic,or lead.We give them a detox protocol based
on what they need. If it’s teeth causing mercury, the teeth have to get
fixed first. If you don’t get the teeth fixed,nothing is going to happen.
After we remove the source ofmercury from the body,we treat to eliminate
what’s around.And as their strength start to go up,body fat starts
to go down.Mercury will block the conversion of T-4 to T-3.Basically,
it’s become a standard test that we do with every athlete.It’s amazing how
many people have some issue with heavy metals.
It’s amazing how many
people have some issue with
heavy metals.
WL: Just how common would you say it is?
CP: It’s common especially with guys who
have had a lot of dental work.Hockey players
have the worst teeth in pro sports,so the odds
are greater that they will need to detox for
mercury more so than football players.
Another thing we do is run stool tests for
parasites and fungus,which is far more common
than mercury.During the last 7 years, I
haven’t seen one normal stool sample. Look
at Adam Nelson; he just threw 75 feet last
weekend,which is the best throw in the world
right now in shot put. He came in as a client,
went through my program through an associate
of mine, and won two Olympic Silvers,
and one World Champion Silver. Initially, I
wasn’t very happy with the progress he was
making, so we ran a stool test. It came back
positive for a bacterium that blocks the
absorption of protein and gives you diarrhea.
WL:How did you treat that?
CP: The doctor and the lab we use run tests
so we can identify which drugs and which
natural agents will work.We normally would use
something like black walnut, which is fairly
gentle on the body.But in this case, there are
maybe six drugs that work, and he was resistant
to every natural agent. So we took one
drug, which was the shortest course, and it
basically got rid of it in five days.As a result,he
put on 25lbs of lean body weight in the space
of a month, which was amazing.You got to
remember that he had a roommate that was
basically eating all of his protein. See,during
training he was able to call up additional
motor units,but he wasn’t able to make them
grow. You may say, ‘wow, that’s enormous’,
but it’s normal in that now those fibers that he
actually accessed has protein to feed them.Not
everybody can put on 25lbs in lean mass like
that,but if they are that well trained,yeah.His
incline press shot up 125lbs within weeks!
WL: It’s amazing that these are things in the
background affecting your progress you don’t
really think about
CP: You know what? The stuff that we’re
finding is amazing. I’ll give you another
example. There was this one woman who
coached on a national level for figure skating
who came to see me. She complained that
she had fibromyalgia, so I asked, ‘Have you
ever done a stool,’ (which I figured she had)
and she said no.So,we ran the tests on her. It
turned out she had two weird strands of bacteria
that you only can contract in the Soviet
Union. I said,‘When were you in the Soviet
Union?’She said,‘1996, I went to Leningrad.’
I asked her if her symptoms started after
Leningrad,and as a matter of fact,they did.So,
we treated her for that, and her so-called
fibromyalgia went away. I’m amazed with
how it is. If you ate at a restaurant in San
Diego, a few years ago, the odds that you
would catch an intestinal bug was 1 out of 7.
Now, it’s 1 out of 6 and it’s increasing.
WL:You know, after talking to you, I don’t
know what the fuck is wrong with me now.I’ve
probably got heavy metal poisoning,bacterial
parasites,and am now afraid to go out to a
restaurant.Thanks!
CP: You know what’s funny? The worst
offender is Vegas, and the worst thing you
can do there is to eat at a buffet.We used to
work with a guy who ran the stool tests for us.
Now,we use a different lab,but when we used
to run our stuff with him,he’d always say to us,
‘If you want to avoid bacteria,don’t go to a buffet
and don’t go to Las Vegas.’
WL: Aside from the stool and heavy metal
tests,would you run any other kind of basic
testing on your clients?
CP: Another thing we used to do, but don’t
do anymore because it’s almost too common,
is test for food sensitivities.When people
have an aversion, it’s usually to proteins, and
there’s nothing you can really do to get rid of
it.Four years go, I ran a lot of food sensitivity
tests and basically everybody I coached had
allergies to beef,whey protein, casein,milk,
and eggs.When we found people were having
problems with protein, we found they were
always eating the same protein foods,so then
we would go on a diet for six weeks where they
don’t eat those foods and we found that when
we retested them, they were now not allergic
anymore.As long as you keep varying the diet,
they weren’t noticing food allergies.The point
is that with protein,we need to be varied in our
diet.I basically don’t run food sensitivity tests
anymore because we always see the same
results,and we found it’s the same way to fix it
all the time. You just sit down and tell the athlete
to eat some buffalo or ostrich instead of
beef.Most bodybuilders eat tuna,chicken,and
beef, and if you run a food test, it’s, say, tuna
and chicken.Take away the tuna and chicken
for six weeks, and you’re not allergic to them
anymore. Just by varying the diet you help
with protein consumption.The guys that use
the most stimulants, for example, have the
most food allergies too because stimulants
lead to leaky gut syndrome. You get larger
proteins from food into the blood stream,
and then your body can develop antibodies
to it.
Can you hold on for a second? (Speaks
briefly with a doctor) I am getting an IV while
I am talking to you.
WL:Oh yeah? What are you getting?
CP: Just straight Vitamin C, a 50g bag.
WL: So aside from changes in blood sugar
from Vitamin C therapy,do you see any risks
with either?
CP: Nope,we haven’t seen anything.Actually,
I interviewed Tom Levy for my website
last week on that topic, and he said he’s
been doing that for 20 years and he’s never seen
anything else but the blood sugar issue.
This will complete Part I of our interview.
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If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/10/29, 04:46 PM
"Can you hold on for a second? (Speaks
briefly with a doctor) I am getting an IV while
I am talking to you.
WL:Oh yeah? What are you getting?
CP: Just straight Vitamin C, a 50g bag."
Direct quote bro! :)
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/10/29, 04:48 PM
And more.....give me a break! I bet I can guess what drug he gave him!! :big_smile:
CP: The doctor and the lab we use run tests
so we can identify which drugs and which
natural agents will work.We normally would use
something like black walnut, which is fairly
gentle on the body.But in this case, there are
maybe six drugs that work, and he was resistant
to every natural agent. So we took one
drug, which was the shortest course, and it
basically got rid of it in five days.As a result,he
put on 25lbs of lean body weight in the space
of a month, which was amazing.You got to
remember that he had a roommate that was
basically eating all of his protein. See,during
training he was able to call up additional
motor units,but he wasn’t able to make them
grow. You may say, ‘wow, that’s enormous’,
but it’s normal in that now those fibers that he
actually accessed has protein to feed them.Not
everybody can put on 25lbs in lean mass like
that,but if they are that well trained,yeah.His
incline press shot up 125lbs within weeks!
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If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/10/29, 06:16 PM
I don't follow anyone blindly. I follow many, and take WHAT MAKES SENSE from each of them. Poliquin wasn't the only coach I named. While he has had the most influence on the iron game as a whole, I follow louie simmons and alwyn cosgrove much closer. I follow a westside powerlifting template, so any one of the elite fitness system guys have influenced how I think.
While 150g of vitamin c is alot, intravaneously, only about 40 g (less than 1/3) of that will be assimillated. One thing they now do with ER patients is to put them on intravaneous vitamin C, to help them recover. It works. Period.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/29, 06:25 PM
:)
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/10/29, 07:10 PM
Yeah, and don't forget that it will allow you to get to 3.48% bodyfat with no change in diet!!:)
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Quoting from wrestler125:
While 150g of vitamin c is alot, intravaneously, only about 40 g (less than 1/3) of that will be assimillated. One thing they now do with ER patients is to put them on intravaneous vitamin C, to help them recover. It works. Period.
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2006/05/17, 10:49 AM
Hey i need help anyone here :dumbbell:
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2006/05/17, 12:09 PM
This is not a chat room. Post your question and someone will reply when they get a chance.:)
There is a chat room button at the top of the page.
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