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2005/01/13, 12:14 AM
Better start taking the right courses. I'm sorry, butI don't know what else to say! To much energy from protein???
I've heard it all now! I dunno, guess I'll get over it.
Kev, who told you this crap?
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If you can dream it, if you can imagine it, then you can be it, you can do it. If it is meaningful enough, and you commit the energy of your passion, you will.
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2005/01/13, 03:02 AM
Kev mainstream information is often against bodybuilders...I know all about it, I took a couple courses on fitness/nutrition so I know the negative slant...however, majority of the negative aspects come from the stereotypical image of a steroid 300 2%bf bodybuilder, like ronnie coleman who takes like 20 different steroids to prepare for the shows....yes it's unhealthy and I'll be surprised if he lives past 60...however most mateur bodybuilders don't do steroids(at least I hope), so many of the negative aspects don't apply
Consider that avg person loses considerable amount of muscle after the age of 30, and testosterone drops off considerably....
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0265.htm
bodybuilders eat one of the cleanest diets, are very educated on the breakthrough supplements, do cardio as well as weight lifting, and stay in much better shape than the average sedentar person....
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2005/01/12, 09:47 PM
Im taking courses in college, because i want to be a fitness trainer. And im reading in my books, that the bodybuilding lifestyle doesnt seem to be that healty. They didnt come out and say that, but heres what they were saying. They were saying that all those protein supplements bodybuilders use dont really help and that too much protein can be bad. They say the extra protein is used for excess energy, or is turned to fat. And when talking about aerobic activities, like running and swimming, theyre always telling about the benefits from the aerobic activity, u know for the heart, and other stuff. But when talking about bodybuilding, and hearing from other sources, u dont hear much good about bodybuilding. And i LOVE bodybuilding, i used to be a distance runner, but ive become more interested in bodybuilding. Ive always liked muscle and building it. Is bodybuilding healthy?
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2005/01/12, 10:05 PM
What book are you reading??
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2005/01/15, 09:28 PM
The book is called " Lifetime Physical Fitness and Wellness,( A personalized program)"
Authors- Werner W.K. Hoeger and Sharon A. Hoeger
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2005/01/15, 10:39 PM
I thought that most people on this site say that post-workout not pre-workout is the best time to take the protein shakes?
DX
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2005/01/16, 03:05 AM
I never said that older individuals shouldn't work out...also consider the fact that most people don't workout ...especially with weights....
also avg person needs only about 50g of protein a day....weight lifters need quite a bit more....bodybuilders often take in upwards of 2-3g of protein per pound...but those are extremes...esp considering that they take steroids making their bodies more adapt at absorbing the extra protein....however avg weight lifter needs about 0.8 to 1 g per bodyweight....
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2005/01/16, 11:26 AM
The average person needs 50 grams of protein a day?
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2005/01/16, 11:44 AM
We have been fighting this concept for years. To this day, clinical dieticians with degrees from the best universities still do not either know or want to know the needs of a hard training resistance athelete. They get some figure ingrained in their head that everyone should go by, the food pyramid is a prime example. They are finally going to revise it. It is any wonder that since (I believe it was 1991) that since the advent of the food pyramid, obesity has skyrocketed? If you notice also, most of these are folks who are wearing long sleeve shirts in the summer!
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Im taking courses in college, because i want to be a fitness trainer. And im reading in my books, that the bodybuilding lifestyle doesnt seem to be that healty. They didnt come out and say that, but heres what they were saying. They were saying that all those protein supplements bodybuilders use dont really help and that too much protein can be bad. They say the extra protein is used for excess energy, or is turned to fat. And when talking about aerobic activities, like running and swimming, theyre always telling about the benefits from the aerobic activity, u know for the heart, and other stuff. But when talking about bodybuilding, and hearing from other sources, u dont hear much good about bodybuilding. And i LOVE bodybuilding, i used to be a distance runner, but ive become more interested in bodybuilding. Ive always liked muscle and building it. Is bodybuilding healthy?
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2005/01/17, 02:35 AM
How old is that book dude? Read newer literature and studies on the physiology of the human body. Body building with steroids is no good, but why not naturally? Think of it this way, you're just feeding your body things that it cannot naturally synthesize (BCAA's, monounsaturated fats, etc). When you feed your body something or a version of what it already makes (i.e. steroids AND EVEN CREATINE FOR THAT MATTER), then you are asking for trouble.
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2005/01/17, 06:21 AM
Kaizian your post contains more than 1 factual error so I would like to know where you are getting your information?
BCAAs....humans get these in their diet through protein...
Monosaturated fats are also gotten through diet....
in what sense do you mean synthesized? I mean we don't get energy from the sun like plants so we must feed out bodies with different food to obtain the nutrients we need...vitamin D is as much as we get from Sun exposure
No study ever proved that creatine given to healthy individuals produces any negative effects....I even recently read that it's fine not to cycle off it...you try to imply you're 'up with current info' but from the later part of your post you don't seem to have a clue...(I don't mean this as an insult just as an observation)
Version of what already is made in our body?
To compare creatine to steroids is a joke...do you know the difference or how steroids work?
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2005/01/17, 11:18 AM
I heard average person needs.5-.7 per lb of body weight.
I read somthing about high protein diets are bad for you, because as protein is broken down, the excess thats not used is turned into amonia....then into urea to be excrited by the kidneys and bladder. However lots of water, will help flush this out. Thats theonlything I have ever read beingborderline "unhealthy" about body building.
what do they want, us to all be herbivores?
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2005/01/17, 07:55 AM
The average person needs 50 grams of protein a day?
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2005/01/17, 08:00 AM
thats what i take on one sitting...
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2005/01/17, 09:39 AM
Creatine is produced naturally by our metabolism as we already know, and it is one of the legal supplements allowed to be used in the olympics since early 80's.
Doctor's are now looking at it to improve mental capabilities in elderly people.
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If you can dream it, if you can imagine it, then you can be it, you can do it. If it is meaningful enough, and you commit the energy of your passion, you will.
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2005/01/17, 11:30 AM
no extreme sport is healthy, specialy not bodybuilding, its not good to pump yourself with such an amount of protein, carbs, or even steroids, but i like it, and i live for it.
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2005/01/17, 11:35 AM
if its used as engery and not stored as fat? then whats so bad?
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2005/01/17, 07:20 PM
Just so you guys know. books don't always tell the truth. people will publish what ever they think will sell. i even seen a book that thought humans and dinosaurs lived together, and they were serious.
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2005/01/17, 08:41 PM
Hec unfortunately yes....just look at some nutrition bars....they have like 26g of protein and say 50+% of DV.....because under US dietary standards...avg protein intake for a man is/was 52g I think and less than that for women....
lets put it this way
Avg diet is 2000 calories....for avg person it's recommended 10% come fom protein....so that's 200 calories from protein..../4.....50g.....
decided to google to see what would come up first
http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/ProteinRequie.htm
52g for men and 48g for women...
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2005/01/17, 08:44 PM
That is unbelievable
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2005/01/17, 08:46 PM
Top...there are no guidelines set in stone....that's why government releases 'recommendations' for avg sedentary Americans... which happen to be horrible for the fraction of 1% of people who are in bodybuilding.....and ways off for other athletes...
Obviously...there are no perfect guidelines for everyone.....everyone's metabolic rate, exercise levels, nutrient intake, etc differ....best defense is constant self education...
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2005/01/17, 08:51 PM
This is from an article I found online.
The RDA for protein for adult males is 63 grams per day. Athletes can maintain protein equilibrium (muscle building equals muscle breakdown) on 1 gram of protein per kilogram of body weight per day. So take your weight, divide by 2.2 then multiply by 1. In fact most persons can achieve protein equilibrium (positive nitrogen balance) at 0.6 to 1.2 grams of protein per kilogram per day.
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2005/01/18, 02:33 AM
sounds about right....these calculations are tweaked from time to time....0.6-1.2 g per kilo is not very much tho....
so i am 210lb that would be 95kg with 0.6 would give me 57g daily protein intake...with 1.2 my daily protein intake is 115g...I think the upper end is closer to the truth even for sedentary persons....
hopefully the government will update it's recommendations for the average Americans to reflect the current scientific information available to them....
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2005/01/18, 06:12 AM
This has been hashed and rehashed in the post about protein, used to be a sticky.
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2005/01/18, 04:09 PM
I know i haven't been around for a bit, but i figured this post is a good one to get back into the swing of things.
dietary guidelines are absolutely worthless! it doesn't matter how many times they revise it and back it by "double-blind," university studies, every person has a unique metabolism that digestions, absorbs and eliminates nutrition in a unique way. i may be a fast oxidizer and the person sitting right next to me could be a slow oxidizer, therefore we'd both need different amounts of not just protein, but all nutrients as well.
i'll elaborate later, gotta work for a bit
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2005/01/19, 10:09 PM
U know i stated earlier that in that book, which could be bullshit, that the excess protein is possibly either stored as energy or turned to fat, well, for 5 days i was consuming about 250 grams of protein where i only weigh 165 lbs, and lately i brought it down to 200, and now, i feel like im getting a little bit of fat around my midsection and obliques. before this i was consuming about 165-180 grams of protein daily. In my pic ull see almost 0% fat on me, now i can still see my abs a little but i dont like this.
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2005/01/19, 10:14 PM
Another thing, i would only assume that NATURAL bodybuilding would be healthy. Sounds healthy. Not only with the muscle building, theres the extrememly healthy diet too. And cardio is part of a bodybuilding program too, something i need to start doing.
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2005/01/20, 02:13 AM
Kev....gaining/losing fat is a fairly long term process....you wouldn't notice any different what so ever in a week....unless you starve youself...in 5 days you wouldn't see much of anything...
your true body fat is probably around 8-12%....if you're curious you can go and get tested in a gym or a doctors office...even hand calipers are fairly accurate...
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2005/01/21, 04:52 AM
once the body takes up as many amino acids as it can handle for muscle repairs and other essential functions ...it uses some for energy as well....and part of it is stored as fat.....you don't simply 'crap it out'.....body does prefer to use other sources for energy before it resorts to protein tho...it is likely to occur in highly restricted carb diets...
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2005/01/21, 10:17 AM
this thread has been a nice read, i enjoyed the comments.
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