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2006/01/17, 03:49 PM
I fell like I got a pretty good deal on it. 500 bucks (100$ discount), plus free shipping, plus I got a 100 lb band added on to give it a 340 lb total capacity for free. Also got the extended 4 year warrenty added on for free.
Anyway, does anyone have any experience with machines such as this. All of the exercises use cables and allow free range of motion. It's called the Max and can be seen on their website.
Quick question
There are like 65 exercises you can do on it. Even squats (though some of them a bit contrived; stand on your head while holding a chair in your left hand and squeeze your cheeks together while pulling on the lat bar to work your lower calves! Stuff like that) Anyway. Should I save some exercises for when I hit a wall, or use all of them? EX. Use 3 chest exercises one day then the next time I work chest use 3 different ones? There at least 8 or 10 for almost every muscle group.
Thanks for any advice.
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2006/01/17, 08:32 PM
Lets say there are 9 exercises. I'm not sure why you feel you need 3 different ones exercises for one muscle group a day, but lets say you do.
You do an split. So your doing 3 of these exercises a week. That means it will be 4 weeks before you use the same exercises again. Do you really think you have to worry about hitting a wall that way?
Why didn't you just get a free weight set?
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2006/01/17, 09:06 PM
Well, I will rarely have a spotter. This machine offers, from what I can tell the benefits of free weights with the simplicity of a machine (no, I didn't read that, lol)
As far as frequency of exercises, that's what I'm asking you. You just repeated my question.
And by what you are saying, I gather that if I want a big chest, all I need to do is bench press?
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding your response wrestler, because I really value your opinion.
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2006/01/17, 09:09 PM
Are you saying that I should do 3 different exercises for each muscle every week?
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2006/01/19, 01:43 PM
Sorry, I tend to get a bit complicated.
What I am saying, is that exercise rotation is less important than things like frequency, volume, and intensity.
So don't worry about getting stale on 9 exercises. I alternate through about 2-3. I see guys do bench press, than move to incline, then decline, then do some DB bench, then chest flyes. WTF? And then they ask why all I do for chest is bench and bench variations. Shawn Lattimer put it well when a guy asked him why he doesn't do tricep pushdowns: "What do you think pushdowns will do for my triceps that a 800lb board press hasn't?"
As for frequency, for most trainee's, either an upper/lower or total body split will work most effectively. I rarely use a body part split with anyone.
However, if you do total body training, I would recommend you don't do bench more than 2 times per week.
Also, remember, the pectorals aren't your only upper body muscle group. Most people could increase their bench press if they started balancing their training better.
I won't answer your question about frequency because their are too many variables at play here, training age, level, age, many others. Menace finds training legs every 14 days to be optimal, I like to train them 3-4 times per week (3 days lifting, 1 day strongman). Most people respond best to either 2 times a week on a split or 3 times a week on TBT.
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2006/01/19, 09:04 PM
I see now.
So what would you recommend say... for chest, just to keep the conversation heading in the same direction.
Keeping in mind that I am in no way new to weight training, and at the same time not someone who has stuck with it for more than a year. (Although I plan to this time).
For mass, should I just do bench, or add on incline and decline,....... or bench and butterflys? What would I see the best results from? I realize you don't have time to give everyone a personalized workout, but advice on this topic would help me in other areas also.
One more thing...... frequency. As I have said before, I used to work out using creatine, and got phenomenal results. I had to increase my weight every 5 to 7 days. But I was working the same muscles every day to every other day. Which I have since found out is wrong. Or is it?
I am 6'3", 250, and have always been naturally muscular, with very broad shoulders. (That probably doesn't matter, lol)
Thanks for your time wrestler.
Advice from anyone else would also be greatly appreciated.
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2006/01/19, 09:50 PM
If you have not been lifting for more than 2 years consistently, I still consider you fairly new. Granted, you may know exercises, but your body is still new. Not that this is a shot at you, but I consider anyone that has been training PROPERLY for less than 5 years as a beginner. And yes, this included me a year ago.
If it worked for you, it is not necessarily wrong. You obviously respond well to frequency. So, I would recommend total body training 3 times a week.
I'm not saying not to use different variations. I am saying you only need 1-2 pectoral exercises per work out. If you put everything you have into bench pressing and then a supplemental exercise, what more use is doing decline, than flyes, etc.
Build does matter, although posture is even more important. So seeing you in person and watching you move would be better than a description. Not much to go on here.
If you want to prioritize chest development, here is how I recommend you do it. Pick 3 compound chest exercises, at least one of them unilateral (DB). At least 2 of them should be exercises you can go heavy on. I would say do standing military press, bench press, and DB bench press to start off with. Do total body training, but train these three exercises FIRST in your workout. Only do 1 per day, and then spend the rest of your training doing the rest of your body. Remember, you pectorals will not progress if you can not stabilize the weight in the bench press (do pull ups and rows for back development, as well as external rotation work for your rotator cuffs as prehabilitation). Don't neglect leg training.
Give me your weighted pull up, overhead press, external rotation 8rm, bench press, reverse curl and DB bench press numbers.
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/01/20, 09:12 AM
Thanks again for your time wrestler, you have been very helpfull.
As soon as my gym comes in, I will post the numbers here for you. It's scheduled to arrive mid next week. Do you want max numbers?
Also....
Weighted pull up? Is this a chin up? If so, I can promise you it won't be weighted, lol.
Are there pictures of these in the resource section? Not sure what some of them are. I guess my limited knowledge is pretty evident here, lol.
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2006/01/20, 05:15 PM
Well then give me your max repetitions at bodyweight.
Theres posts floating around that have resources that show what exercises are. try exrx.net.
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2006/01/20, 06:09 PM
4, lol. Man that sucks.
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2006/01/20, 08:27 PM
I need the other numbers too.
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/01/20, 08:34 PM
I went to exrx but didn't see the other exercises. Are these exercises that you do independently, without weights or anything? If so please describe them or give a link where there are pics showing how to do them.
The site you gave (exrx) showed exercises with free weights and cables.
Just to clarify, I have nothing here until my cable machine arrives.
Again, thank you so much for you time. I'm sure I am wearing a little thin on your patience by now.:(
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2006/01/20, 09:44 PM
dont worry about it...
http://freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Message.jsp?f_ix=5&t_ix=2060
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/01/21, 01:40 AM
Weider's equipment's generally very cheap. For a good machine in a small space that doesn't require a spotter, take a look at the Powertec WB-LS at powertecfitness.com. Or get a bench, dumbbells, possibly a power rack, etc. I like the Powertec though, both because no spotter is needed and because there are more options on it than what can be found with a simple bench and dummbells.
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2006/01/21, 06:04 PM
The freetrainers link you gave sent me to another thread. on that thread was a link to abcbodybuilding, which is I assume where you expected me to find the exercises, but there were so many listed there and didn't see the one that I'm not familiar with.
That would be the external rotation 8rm.
Anyway, as soon as I get my equipment, I'll post the numbers in a new thread titled "Numbers for wrestler" or something to that effect. That sound ok?
If it helps... I'm sure my max bench press will be in the 270 - 285 area. I used to do 300, but as I said, it's been a while since I've trained.
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2006/01/21, 10:01 PM
if by no spotter needed you mean a smith machine, I would say its better to go with a power rack. just set up the bars to catch the weight if you cant handle it.
if your going to post your numbers, then be sure to repost training information, like age, training experiance, how often you would like to workout, how you respond to training, etc, and I will see if I or someone else can draw you up something... The more specifics you give me, the more tailored I can give you...
http://www.bodyresults.com/E2RotatorCuff.asp
http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/generateexhibit.php?ID=9305&ExhibitKeywordsRaw=&TL=32737&A=2
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/05/23, 01:59 AM
hello
ineed help to gain some muscle in 3 months and at home i have some equipement at home...............
please help ?!??!?!?!
i am 90kg,185cm .............an without muscle .
please help
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2006/05/23, 04:14 AM
#1 fill out profile
#2 what equipment do u have? be specific
lifting experience? goals?etc?...
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