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2005/10/20, 02:38 PM
Hey Everyone,
I've been taking cAmp for a while now, but I'm about to run out of my supply. I was thinking about switching to C2 or Powerfull, but don't know which one would work better for me. Currently, I'm trying to lose some excess weight, while increasing lean muscle. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! (btw, I'm currently only taking cAmp & protein, but also occasionally take a caffeine pill on days I feel really tired).
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2005/10/20, 04:25 PM
Also, does anyone know how much caffeine C2 contains per pill? Just in case I end up getting it, I wanted to determine if I could handle 2 or 3 pills per serving.
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2005/10/20, 10:57 PM
I would probably suggest in your case the C2 if you can only afford one, but if you can do both, it would be very good.
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2005/10/21, 12:52 PM
Hey bb,
So lets say I buy both the C2 and the cAmp. When during the day should I take the C2 and cAmp for best results? I've included my daily schedule below. Also, should I take C2 on my non-workout days? Thanks for all your help!
8:00am -- 2 cAmp
8:30am -- 2 scoops Nectar protein
11:00am -- 2 cAmp
11:45 -- Workout (until 12:45pm)
1:00pm -- 3 scoops Nectar protein + 25 g malto + 25 g dextrose
2:30pm -- Small sandwhich
5:00pm -- 1 WW Pure Protein bar
6:30pm -- 2 cAmp
7:30pm -- dinner with 16oz milk
~MJ
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2005/10/21, 03:15 PM
im gonna say from a personnal point of view (i dont train hard or anythin but do a little bit 4-5 days per week) ive tried c2 , powerfull and camp and id say camp gave me the best bang for buck. i havnt felt any difference using powerfull but that may be because i dont train hard, c2 is ok but i feel i got more out of camp (i know the difference is supposed to be the additional caffeine but i felt better on camp) this may be dependant on the person using the supp so i can only say what ive experienced. i bought a few bottles of c2 and kinda wish i had bought camp instead but that may be to do with my body not likin this kind of caffeine (i get a buzz from coffee tho :surprised:) id be interested to know how you find the comparison between c2 and camp, sorry im not being much help
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2005/10/21, 09:05 PM
buzz off coffee??..haha, I wish I could still get that..my body has become fairly immune to low doses of caffeine (basically need to take it in pill form to feel anything)..which I know isn't good, but oh well...thanks for the insight though sidz...I'm still wondering how much caffeine C2 has per pill..and is the only difference between C2 and cAmp the caffeine?...
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2005/10/22, 11:46 AM
mik...I would take the C2 pre workout. Will help a bit of energy pre workout.
sidz...funny you should say that about cAMP and C2. I too am more fond of the old cAMP than the C2. I just have a cup of green tea with my cAMP and am good to go. I have a very high affinity toward caffine, so maybe that is it.
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2005/10/24, 02:17 PM
I ended up ordering both the C2 and cAmp, hopefully should get it by the end of the week. Do you think I should only take the C2 before workout, or also at other times during the day? And should I take the recommended dose of 3 pills? Thanks for the all the advice guys, its greatly appreciated!
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2005/10/24, 08:11 PM
I just got an email from usp labs that recommended the following C2/cAmp stack:
morning
2 c2
1 cAMP
pre-workout
2 c2
1 camp
evening
2 cAMP
Also, they informed me that 3 C2 pills (which is 1 serving) contain a total of 150 mg of caffeine, which seems like a good mix. I think I could handle 6 C2 pills a day without feeling overly anxious/shaky (I think I already consume about 250-300 mg of caffeine per day anyways).
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2005/11/23, 11:08 AM
Everyone should be aware that Powerfull is an herb that you can buy at iherb.com for around $6. Further it is greatly exaggerated as being some great supplement comparable to steroids without the effects. BB1fit had a post where he claimed that we were going to watch "supplement history unfold." In reality, supplement history has repeated itself by giving the consumer an overhyped product that doesnt deliver on its claims. If you viewed that link provided by bb1fit which led you to the synergy message board, you will recall users reporting steroid-like potency without the side effects. Wow this stuff sounds amazing is what you probably said to yourself. After which you reached into your pocket and paid some outrageous price for a product that costs 1/8 of what synergymuscle is charging. My advice to everyone is do your research with this product and with all products. Bottom line is supplements will not build muscle for you like the majority of these supplement companies claim. Hard muscle can only be built through hard work coupled with a solid diet. Juice and prohormones obviously being the exception. And for those of you that might think I am just bashing this product for the sake of bashing it, I have tried this product and was somewhat disappointed at the effects. I say somewhat disappointed because I didnt begin taking Powerfull with unreasonable expectations but, rather, just a curiosity. Anyway I really do not want to see people get ripped off. Just be aware of what your buying and be realistic. Educate yourselves. Look at the ingredients in Powerfull then do a search on the internet. Dont throw away your money.
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2005/11/23, 12:04 PM
I also have tried this supplement. It was way over hyped. The fact is it came in a bootleg looking bottle and it contained an herb that can be found for much less than the price they charged me. I took the 1 bottle I bought as directed and saw little or no results. I work out 5-6 days a week and eat healthy and that is the sole reason I am in good shape. The claims it makes are ridiculous plain and simple.
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2005/11/24, 12:26 AM
I was simply posting the copy of the synopsis of the product and relaying what it was supposed to do. I at the time of posting that "article" had never yet used it myself, so do not blame that what you call a hyped article on me.
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2005/11/24, 01:17 AM
Needaspot is correct. You should have diet, exercise, rest, meal timing, recovery, and psychology in line before seeking supplemental health.
Finding the product at Iherb is false. I will gift Needaspot $2,000 if he can create the same product.
bb1fit can compare the product as he has used PowerFULL twice, and the man is full of integrity (you are skeptical by nature so do not jump to that conclusion).
Watch his log unfold and draw your own conclusion. A fact of life is that not every soul will agree with my products or like the results, and I am perfectly fine with it. Basic human nature that I will not try to defy. With defiance, the world would be simple and dull.
Happy Thanksgiving
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Quoting from needaspot:
Everyone should be aware that Powerfull is an herb that you can buy at iherb.com for around $6. Further it is greatly exaggerated as being some great supplement comparable to steroids without the effects. BB1fit had a post where he claimed that we were going to watch "supplement history unfold." In reality, supplement history has repeated itself by giving the consumer an overhyped product that doesnt deliver on its claims. If you viewed that link provided by bb1fit which led you to the synergy message board, you will recall users reporting steroid-like potency without the side effects. Wow this stuff sounds amazing is what you probably said to yourself. After which you reached into your pocket and paid some outrageous price for a product that costs 1/8 of what synergymuscle is charging. My advice to everyone is do your research with this product and with all products. Bottom line is supplements will not build muscle for you like the majority of these supplement companies claim. Hard muscle can only be built through hard work coupled with a solid diet. Juice and prohormones obviously being the exception. And for those of you that might think I am just bashing this product for the sake of bashing it, I have tried this product and was somewhat disappointed at the effects. I say somewhat disappointed because I didnt begin taking Powerfull with unreasonable expectations but, rather, just a curiosity. Anyway I really do not want to see people get ripped off. Just be aware of what your buying and be realistic. Educate yourselves. Look at the ingredients in Powerfull then do a search on the internet. Dont throw away your money.
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2005/11/24, 04:28 AM
USP...he never claimed he can recreate the product...but most supplements have a key ingredient...and he merely suggested he knew what it was and that it could be attained much cheaper...which is quite of then the case....ie generics...
"You should have diet, exercise, rest, meal timing, recovery, and psychology in line before seeking supplemental health"
in fairness then no supplements are needed whatsoever if one can achieve that....and how many people do u know who do all that? don't think most people live in a bodybuilding utopia....
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2005/11/24, 09:27 AM
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Quoting from menace3000:
"USP...he never claimed he can recreate the product...but most supplements have a key ingredient...and he merely suggested he knew what it was and that it could be attained much cheaper...which is quite of then the case....ie generics..."
Either way, Unless he has an chinese connection, He is fabricating.
"in fairness then no supplements are needed whatsoever if one can achieve that....and how many people do u know who do all that? don't think most people live in a bodybuilding utopia...."
Supplements are great tools but not the means to the end. How many people to I know? Many, They educate and realize it has to be done for results.
I workout for results. I educate myself to get the quickest results possible.
take care
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2005/11/24, 11:19 AM
some facts about testing products that apparantely some do not know. I have been chosen to test lots of product. YOu mention the generic label. Many times this is indeed the case, it is so new that the product comes before it is truly manufactured in mass, thus a generic bottle.
Upon early testing, as with Powerfull, the ingredients are as yet undisclosed. So, as in this case, I and I am sure most testers had no knowlege of what was in the product. The same can be said for Green bulge for instance when I first got it, all that was known then was it was a creatine product. And with the Joint supplement, and on and on. By now you get the picture.
If anyone followed my log, you will see I was nothing but totally honest in my assessment, as my integrity means alot to me. I stated as far as any of the "ancillary" effects, better sleep, more wood, etc., those I never felt any of. I did however have tremendous days in the gym. If you follow my current log, I am now doing Powerfull/cAMP without any creatine to ascertain just what was the "drivng force" for my strength increases.
We as individuals do not respond the same to different products, I have heard tons of folks touting products that did this or that for them, and upon using them, did none of the sort for me. We are different, and my log will be an honest appraisal of what I get from the product.
As far as being able to duplicate a product, this is done all the time after the product becomes mainstream. Find out what is in it, go out and buy in bulk and try to match it. Do this all the time, ZMA comes immediately to mind. BCAA powder with added enhancers, it is easy enogh to find the products bulk and re-create it cheaper. You in fact do not pay for labeling, production in mass quantities, bottles, marketing, etc.
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2005/11/25, 11:20 PM
I may have misspoke a bit...let me rephrase...
My point is this: if lifestyle factors remain constant then the supplement should be the driving force of the progress....I mean obviously majority of things in life should be done well...but not everything is going to be perfect...and it's fairly unreasonable to expect that...I'd say if 90% of lifestyle factors are done well consistantly...then supplement should be the difference...
I haven't had great success with many supplements...so I am very skeptical of most things....creatine so far has been one of the few exceptions where I saw clear evidence of its effects....
"Supplements are great tools but not the means to the end. "
This is true but that's like the rationalization many juicers use...where they put gear and equipment on the table and say 'well I'd like to see those things lift 1000lb squat' that's true...but that's also the most retarded thing to be said...obviously hard work is expected and the athlete must do other things well(nutrition, sleep, etc, etc, etc)...but point being is that juice has clear effect on performance(as shown through hundreds of studies)...where as most supplements do not(and have very little if anything to back up its claims)...(keep in mind I am stating general things, i am in no way aiming this at the product we're discussing or at you or anything like that)
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2005/11/26, 01:17 AM
Let it go bro! :big_smile:
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2005/11/26, 06:58 AM
eh...I am really not taking it personally or am trying to make some great point...but fair enough...lol
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2005/11/26, 10:01 AM
Well, you are rambling and not making much of a point, it is becoming the proverbial "beating a dead horse". Not much point anymore.
Peace....:)
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