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2004/04/11, 07:13 PM
ermmm I was a bit confused when I read a couple of articles on this. It said something along the lines of Chest or Abs are considered as one muscle, therefore can only grow as one whole muscle, trying to grow a certain part of it is like trying to change the shape of the muscle which is scientifically impossible.
So basically is that saying that there are no point in trying to target say lower abs, or upper chest etc? Just target them as a whole.
Some of this info came from: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dimaggio1.htm on the myths headings parts.
I was just wondering if its true or not?
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2004/04/11, 08:09 PM
i've developed a pretty nice chest, and my abs aren't much different than they were before... so i don't know how that works...
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2004/04/12, 07:50 AM
Hower doing different angles hit different fibers....ex. doing decline bench hits 80 somthing% of muscle fibers, and regular bench only hits like 70 somthing% so by change the angle or posistion your recruiting more mucles fibers, thereby your not isoloating lower chest , just hitting more muscle fibers, which engage better the lower half.
No you can't chaneg the shape of your chest or abbs.If your pecs are naturally square at bottom , you can't male them round, same way with abbs or anyotehr muscle group. But you can define them by getting them bigger, and sculpt them to shwo their natural shape. :dumbbell:
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2004/04/12, 07:59 AM
Thats what i thought bigandrew but the article says otehrwise. Either Im misunderstanding it or its completely wrong.
Quotes from it:
"Since the Rectus Abdominis is a single muscle it is physiologically impossible to work different parts of the abs. You often hear people say things like “I need to work my lower abs cause they’re lacking”, well they can try as hard as they want but when you train your abs you train the entire muscle."
"So, you may say “how come I feel it more in my lower abs when I do hanging leg raises?” Well, this is another myth that we call the “I feel it syndrome”, which basically states that because you feel something working in a specific area it will make that area grow more.
From a muscle physiology standpoint this is not possible. It’s possible that because of the angle more stress is being applied to a certain area of the muscle, which is often a result of that part of the muscle being stretched more, causing micro trauma in that specific area. However, this means absolutely nothing in regards to muscle growth and development. "
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2004/04/12, 11:32 AM
Yes I agree you train the entire muscle, but like i said it has to do with muscle fibers.....regualar crunch you may only use 60% of the fibers in the stomach.....however if you do hanging leg raises or crunches, you engage 80%......the other 20% coming form the lower abbs coming or being recrutied in the lift more.............I dunno if this makes any sense lol, but thats what I think. But don't go one me lol i don't have a phd or anything, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong guys.
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......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/04/12, 12:22 PM
lol ok. I understand what your trying to say exactly and thats what I thought b4. However from the quotes above especially the "feel it syndrome" comment its really trying to say otherwise, its saying that area wont grow more so no 80% - 20% theory :) However since no one have confirmed those statements I'll just consider it rubbish for now and keep on trying to target specefic areas.
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2004/04/12, 08:50 PM
WTF mate?! each muscle grows seperately. what the article may have been saying was its best to target every muscle at the same time so you are proportionate as if it was one muscle. but each muscle grows seperately and differently. some muscle are more dense so they take longer to train, some train pretty quick. but anyways they all...
nevermind. i got off track.
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2005/11/23, 07:13 PM
I am an amateur to bodybuilding but I learn fast.
The core is basically always working when weight training, Your core is very important, if you have ever injured your abs, by for example sit-ups with weights, your gonna feel it benching. Proportional in muscularity is the key aspect everyone wants, I guess the best way to have this is to do compund exercises.
Use good form and never quit, patience is bodybuilding!!!
Peace out guys.
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2005/12/21, 02:36 AM
Their are 29 muscles that connect in your core. This is why sit up alone aren't going to cut it. It is true that your rectus abdominus is one muscle seperated by tendons, but there is much more to abs than this. So continue to target all parts of your core. Make sure you train them in this order:
Lower Abs
Obliques
Upper Abs
And then stabilizers
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2005/12/21, 03:05 PM
Why? Not only are you following the notion that abs CAN be trained seperately, but you are saying they SHOULD be trained seperately. And in a certain order. There is no magic order for abdominal training. That is a myth propogated by the personal training industry.
Would you train all the muscles used in the bench press seperately? Would you train all the shoulder stabilizers seperately??? Or would you do bench press and overhead press????
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2005/12/24, 05:01 AM
:::quietly doing leg raises to 'target' lowest portion of the low abs:::::
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2005/12/24, 09:27 PM
<pulling a chair up to get comfy>:big_smile:
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2005/12/24, 11:57 PM
oh cmon, im not that bad guys. Am I?
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