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2004/12/07, 06:46 PM
Hi out there. I'm 20 and fairly underweight. Im desperately looking for ways to gain fat and weight. So I was wondering if this Creatine Monohydrate 100% Pure will help we gain fat and weight.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/creatine.html
Anyone have any suggestions, please? Thanks.
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2004/12/07, 08:03 PM
No creatine should help you gain fat. Creatine will not help you gain anything if your lifting and diet is not correct, doesn't matter who makes it.
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2004/12/07, 09:56 PM
no
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2004/12/12, 04:03 PM
Creatine does work, but you have to make sure that you are drinking a ton of water along with it. Creatine is one of those supplements that requires you to work extremely hard in order to see effects. Basically, you need to drain your body's natural stores of creatine. All creatine really does is improve short, anaerobic performances -- which means that it will help you get out that last rep you could never get before. The hard work you put in ultimately results in the hypertrophy.
On a side note, most of the weight gain associated with creatine is water weight that goes away after you stop taking creatine.
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2004/12/12, 06:27 PM
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Quoting from FightOnState:
Basically, you need to drain your body's natural stores of creatine.
This statement makes no sense. This is the last thing you want to do! :big_smile:
On a side note, most of the weight gain associated with creatine is water weight that goes away after you stop taking creatine.
This is correct in essence, but kind of a misconception if not understood. Creatine is a cell volumizer, so with extra water will draw water into the cells..duh!! But, by the ability to use heavier weights, more explosiveness, this should lead to increase muscle gain with correct diet. Though the water weight will be lost, the muscle you gain from using heavier weights is yours to keep.
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2004/12/13, 01:49 PM
Basically, you need to drain your body's natural stores of creatine.
This statement makes no sense. This is the last thing you want to do!
Haha, I guess I should have worded that better. Let's look at it this way: Our total body stores are normally around 2 g, yet we have the capacity to store up to 120 g. By doing the "loading" phase of creatine, we quickly fill that gap, considering the body turns over roughly 2 g of creatine per day naturally.
The main proposed benefit of creatine is to increase intracellular phosphocreatine, and the main source of energy from short, high-intensity movements (like weightlifting) comes from the ATP-Pcr system. So as you can see, we are constantly using creatine when we work out. Therefore, additional creatine allows us to work out harder for longer (even though studies show it only lasts for about 6 seconds), but in order to access the added creatine, we must deplete the body's natural store of creatine. It's like a reserve gas tank -- you can't use it until you empty the primary tank.
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2004/12/13, 06:18 PM
Creatine is produced in the liver daily by the combining of 3 amino acids, Arginine, Glycine and Methionine. this happens every day of our lives. As we age, production decreases. All we are doing dependent on age is refilling that amount that declines with age, or topping off our natural stores.
Over 95% of creatine is in our muscles. The remainder in the brain, heart, etc. The fact is, creatine will not do much without you putting forth some effort. It will not magically make one all of a sudden do 20 lbs. more on the bench or gain 10 lbs. You have to put forth the effort to make it work.
The point is, your statement "its like a reserve gas tank--you can't use it till you empty the primary tank" still makes no sense. Your body will dispel any "extra" creatine. This is why it makes no sense to take anything over 5 gr. It will simply be turned to creatinine, a waste product.
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2004/12/13, 10:46 PM
get some protein that builds muscle.....creatine helps fuel you to build the muscle. Lkke I said before......its like a high octanne gas in your car, better performance, beter gas milage.....same engine.
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2004/12/14, 02:05 PM
Looks like we'll agree to disagree on this one, which is perfectly fine and why I love this area. You are saying that you have to put forth the extra effort to have creatine work, which is essentially echoing my "go beyond your normal limit" statements. Either way, the stuff works if you push yourself!
About the protein comment, it really doesn't matter what kind of protein you take, as I recently learned. Protein is metabolized in the stomach by pepsin and the small intenstine by multiple enzymes. Studies are showing that no protein crosses the intestinal epithelium -- which means that by the time protein is fully broken down, it doesn't matter if it was whey, casein, or egg white, it's just amino acid by now. Yes, it's possible that different types of proteins may have different amino acid breakdowns, but the point still remains that there is no "muscle building protein". There is actually limited evidence to prove that increased protein intake increases fat free muscle anyway.
Let the controversy begin!
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2004/12/14, 04:58 PM
I actually wrote a piece on this very thought,it is somewhere on this site. When I get more time, I will find it and repost it.
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About the protein comment, it really doesn't matter what kind of protein you take, as I recently learned. Protein is metabolized in the stomach by pepsin and the small intenstine by multiple enzymes. Studies are showing that no protein crosses the intestinal epithelium -- which means that by the time protein is fully broken down, it doesn't matter if it was whey, casein, or egg white, it's just amino acid by now. Yes, it's possible that different types of proteins may have different amino acid breakdowns, but the point still remains that there is no "muscle building protein". There is actually limited evidence to prove that increased protein intake increases fat free muscle anyway.
Let the controversy begin!
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2004/12/14, 05:17 PM
different proteins are digested at different speeds however.......it can take a steak a hour or so to be broken down by the stomach.....after a hard workout, you need protein asap. This is why one takes whey, some even come with enzyms in them to speed up the proces of digestion.
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2004/12/14, 11:45 PM
Please do, bb1. I think a lot of people are misinformed about protein intake and it's muscle building capacities.
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