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Ephedrine, friend or foe?

david_s81 Posts: 543 Joined: 2004/04/09	2004/04/27, 03:20 AM If fat burners that exist today touting their ephedra-free new and improved blahbiddy blah, then ephedra would have not had anything to do with the fat burner that existed before the ban?? I am having a hard time believing this. I have a friend that took hydroxycut when it still had ephedra and he said it was like crack. I have taken the EFX stuff, and noticed nothing. So, I guess what I'm asking is if I should just go to Tijuana and get some ephedra fueled fat burner? Or should I stick with the stuff that is supposed to be good for me?? -------------- In order to live, you must be willing to die.
dahayz Posts: 794 Joined: 2002/05/08	2004/04/27, 07:43 AM It's different for everyone. And comparing others experience with it is not smart to do because of how differently we respond to it. I am a fan of ephedra and have used it for years with no problems. And, you can still buy straight ephedra over the internet and there is nothing illegal about it. You see, the smart supplement companies simply stopped selling ephedra as a sports supplement and began selling it as a nasal decongestant/bronchial dialator. TADA! pure ephedra is still legal and availaible on the market, good thinking I must say.
Relique Posts: 187 Joined: 2004/03/17	2004/04/27, 10:35 AM yeah, you can get ephedra over the net, however, they banned it because it has an adverse reaction with some of the population. Your standard conspiracy theorist will say it is a government FDA conspiracy... I would argue to differ. I would be very hesitant to take any ephedra without consulting a doctor or another nutral party. Perhaps they have a method, or some advice you should hear before you take ephedra. Maby there is a way to take it for weight loss that is very safe. Though it is awsome that Dahayz and others have taken it with no recation, and good for them, you might be the person that gets a nice, shiny new head stone. -------------- Sean "TBAR" Johnson -USAF-
dahayz Posts: 794 Joined: 2002/05/08	2004/04/27, 02:09 PM Yes, when you mean others Relique, that would mean the millions that have safely used it, forgot that though.
Speeder Posts: 226 Joined: 2003/03/14	2004/04/27, 03:21 PM I've Used the ECA Stack before, and have never had similiar results with any other product. I just found a bottle of Ephdrine at a local Supp Store, and I am trying it again. Since the capsules come in 8Mg's I have started off taking 16mg's 2x's a day, and I haven't noticed any negative Side's...well it took me a little while to fall asleep last night...but nothing else.
Relique Posts: 187 Joined: 2004/03/17	2004/04/27, 03:44 PM Yeah, hey, milions have tried crack, only a few die from instant heart attacks, still sound like a good idea? The high is great I hear. -------------- Sean "TBAR" Johnson -USAF-
dahayz Posts: 794 Joined: 2002/05/08	2004/04/27, 05:12 PM There is no sense in arguing over a pointless point relique, we could go round and round. Crack hasn't been scientifically studied and shown to be safe like ephedra has. People are killed by alcohol, tobacco, peanuts, cars, blah blah blah. If you are going to compare ephedra to crack then don't forget pain killers such as tylenol, ibuprofin, nyquil etc. Those are just as addictive, and can kill you on the spot as well. But god forbid anybody compare these to crack.
Relique Posts: 187 Joined: 2004/03/17	2004/04/27, 06:18 PM its not the addictiveness I was talking about, or the fact that there is any comparison to crack.. well, asside from the same type of death due to OD or adverse reaction. What I was sugjesting, and I dont think you, or any other Ephedra advocate would argue with, is check with your doctor to see if there is any way to make sure you are not one of those unfortunate souls that will have a bad reaction, get the inside scoup that people like you and I don't need. (because I am not using it, and you obviously have no problem with it physicaly) Of course, he could go and buy the stuff, not know how he is going to react to it, and take an unnesseary chance. O yeah lol, tell me of a case where someone died from Nyquil, tylenol, or ibuprofin... without having downed the entire bottle. -------------- Sean "TBAR" Johnson -USAF-
Relique Posts: 187 Joined: 2004/03/17	2004/04/27, 06:35 PM here is a good site that had the most FORWARD reason for banning Ephedra, I did some reserch, found that it seems that most people are saying that Ephedra is harmless, or they are saying it kills you. This was one of the few studies that used things like Poison control reports rather than trying to use some study. Not trying to sell anyone on droping Ephedra, or get people to use it. However EDUCATION is the key to loosing weight, gaining muscle, and staying healthy. Educate yourself on risks and benifits and make your own decision! Don't listen to some weenie, go out and find a good credible sourse on what your researching. Find lots of them. Google is great for it :) Good luck David! http://www.hepatitisandhiv.com/health/020503c.html -------------- Sean "TBAR" Johnson -USAF-
david_s81 Posts: 543 Joined: 2004/04/09	2004/05/01, 04:07 AM Thanks for the responses. I have looked up a lot of resourses that have done some research on ephedra and the information all sounds the same. The common denominator seemed to be that it has proven to help lose weight. In some cases it has helped individuals recover faster, and have a bit more stamina. I think the stamina is a mental thing, personally. I have read that it is important not to exceed 100 mg a day. So if an individual taking a 30 mg pill, twice a day, should be ok. Save for the minority that would have a negative reaction. Lastly, is it smart to take it with any other supplement? Creatine, for example. -------------- In order to live, you must be willing to die.
lexballer13 Posts: 165 Joined: 2003/10/15	2004/05/06, 02:59 AM by the way almost all of the deaths caused by ephedra were because the idiots who were taking it did not follow strict directions. This is what was a main problem back 20 years before they banned it in the military. Everyone was using it however they wanted just to get a quick fix. If we decide to take any kind of supplement we need to do the research and make sure it is ok for us to take specifically. Everyone's body composition is different so the only true way to find out if something works for us or not is to try it.
dahayz Posts: 794 Joined: 2002/05/08	2004/05/06, 12:49 PM To much of anything can kill you, even water. People don't take responsibilty for themselves anymore, so, they need a scapegoat.
lexballer13 Posts: 165 Joined: 2003/10/15	2004/05/06, 04:58 PM all too true dahayz
snapplegirl69 Posts: 5 Joined: 2004/05/17	2004/05/17, 04:38 PM Hello everyone.I am new here and just happened to read this post first.Back in 2001,I was using the Xenadrine(with ephdra) and it worked for me.There was a draw back.I was also dieting using weight watchers,and the lack of food i ate interacted with the pill.Its hard to take it when you are dieting like that because your body needs more food.It did however work and helped me get the weight off.Needless to say when i stopped taking it,the weight came back quick.With the new ephedra free stuff,I talked to a friend when had used the regualr one like I had said the ephdra free one didnt seem to work.i dont like the nasaua feeling i got from the ephdra one.I also tried Stacker 3 amonth of so ago,and will never use it agaijn.It made me sick for like 3 days.BUt the Xenadrine did keep me onm my feet and I was totally wired.Like alot of people had said here,its different for everyone.
kjerl Posts: 14 Joined: 2003/10/02	2004/05/18, 02:52 PM I have been trying to research ephedra and I can't seem to get any concrete facts. I am interested in the "proper instructions". What is the recommend dosage to lose weight? Are they different based upon the company? I read somewhere that a user should not exceed 100mg. But 6 pills has 27mg; you would have to take 18 pills in one day?!? And if you don't take 18, is it really less effective?
dahayz Posts: 794 Joined: 2002/05/08	2004/05/18, 03:13 PM Typical fat burners/w ephedra contain 20-25 mg of ephedra per 2 capsules. More concentrated products had that same amount in only 1 pill. I don't know of the specific product you are speaking of kjerl, what do the instructions say?
bella83 Posts: 14 Joined: 2004/05/15	2004/05/19, 02:18 AM ============ Quoting from dahayz: You see, the smart supplement companies simply stopped selling ephedra as a sports supplement and began selling it as a nasal decongestant/bronchial dialator. TADA! pure ephedra is still legal and availaible on the market ============= Where and how can I get this nasal decongestant/bronchial dialator?
david_s81 Posts: 543 Joined: 2004/04/09	2004/05/20, 12:52 AM shoprxonline.com is a known source. I don't know how their prices are compared to other sites. That is the only one I know of. -------------- \"If you do not understand, this is your fault, not ours.\"
kjerl Posts: 14 Joined: 2003/10/02	2004/05/20, 09:25 PM The product that I am speaking of requires taking 6 capsules to get 27 mg of epherdra. So I guess its not very good!! How many mgs of epherdra is recommended to lose weight safely?
david_s81 Posts: 543 Joined: 2004/04/09	2004/05/21, 01:31 AM Not sure, but I have read not to exceed 100mg. 6 capsules to get 27mg is crap. 4.5mg a piece. On that site I recommended, they sell 15mg, and 30mg pills. The more you buy, the cheaper they are. -------------- Listen to the Deftones