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Pemdas
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2007/12/20, 09:20 AM
That completely depends on how you squat. I have never maxed out on GMins, but if u have a really wide stance with a low bar position it is going to be much closer your squat than if you squat narrow with higher bar position.
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2007/12/21, 04:52 PM
12/21

Not sure what to call it, but it takes the place of a RE upper.

Dips
25x10x4

WG pullups
25x6x3

DB Press
45x10x3

T-Bar Rows
70x10x4

CG Bench
135x6x3
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2007/12/26, 08:42 AM
12/23 - 12/24
I bought an olympic weight set for my basement. Now all I need is a rack and a bench and I can do most of my workouts in my basement. It came with 300 pounds of weight, I bought 2 extra 45's though so I can DL.

Anyway, I did some random work both days.

12/23
Overhead squats
45x10
95x8x2
115x8

BB Lunges
135x6x3

Bulg split squats
25 in each hand X6x3
Really just getting the hang of these

Then I just screwed around and did some snatches and cleans for the hell of it.

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2007/12/26, 08:47 AM
12/24
Military Press
95x8x3
Haven't done these in a while, need to up it to 115.

DB Row
45 (plate in each hand) X6x4

Clean and Press
115x6x2

BB Curls
75x8x3

BB Scap Rows with pause at top
95x6x4

ecle5c
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2007/12/28, 09:19 AM
12/27

Back to the gym....

Box Squats
45x20
95x10
135x3
165x3
195x3
230x3
255x1
275x1
275x1

SLDL DBs
55x6x4
Light, but a 412 type tempo. Really good stretch

Hyperextensions
25x8x3

Heavy decline twists
3 sets with heaviest medicine ball, about the size of a basketball.

I don't really like these so much, but hyperextensions, GMs, SLDLs are really the only low back work I get...I guess I can do pull-throughs. But my point is no reverse hyper or no GHR so I'm kind of limited. Any good suggestions.
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2007/12/28, 01:13 PM
Deadlifts? Good mornings?

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2007/12/28, 01:43 PM
I listed GMs, but I was thinking more as an accessory exercise. I find it hard to DL after squating, very demanding on my body. Maybe I could do it second after my main DE lower movement.



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2007/12/28, 04:51 PM
Then you still have 3-4 good exercises right there. Add in variations...

Good morning
rack good morning
wide stance good morning
sl good morning
olympic good morning
sldl
rdl
pull throughs

Add chains, bands, change in stance, etc, to any of these and you have even more. What more could you ask for?

And through it all, despite all the different exercises you could use, I'd recommend you pick 3-4 that you get the best results from and rotate them.

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2007/12/31, 08:22 AM
12/29
RE Upper

Dips
35x10x3

WG Pull Ups
25x6
25x6
25x6
25x4 (Cheated to get the last two)
I am going to stick with 25 lbs one more week. I'm thinking of an 8, 8, 6, 6 group of sets.

DB Press
45x8x4

T-Bar Row
90x6x3

CG Bench - hands further apart
135x6x4
ecle5c
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2008/01/03, 08:53 AM
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DE Lower

By the way, have I mentioned I hate New Years with a passion. All of the people come in with their resolutions and take up space and racks and benches. Good thing today was leg day or I may have just left. Tomorrow is ME upper.....man that is going to suck.

Anyway, here's the work out.
Front squats
45x10
95x8
135x8
135x8
135x8
135x8
The racks were taken so I had to use a bar on the floor. I had to powerclean it up, place it on my shoulders, re-situate my grip and then start my sets. After I had to reverse to set it down....sort of annoying but oh well.

GMs
135x8
135x8
135x8
135x6

Pull-throughs
140x12
140x12
150x12

I was going to do ab work, but that was almost as crazy as the cardio area. Instead I did some tests that Steve recommended so I can try to figure out what is wrong with my hip/back. It isn't keeping me from doing any lifts, but I'd like to keep it that way.
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2008/01/03, 09:37 AM
You not really doing a dynamic effort day. I don't really care about the semantics because I know what your are doing, but that might be confusing to someone reading your log that doesn't understand.
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2008/01/03, 01:26 PM
Would RE lower be a better name?

Does dynamic generally just refer to working on speed, acceleration, and general explosiveness I guess?

I used to do more speed bench and DE type box squats (10 sets of 3 with 50-60% 1rm) but never really got much value out of those.

I switched up to more reps per set with more of a 70% 1rm or so and have found much better results thus far.
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2008/01/03, 01:42 PM
Yes, R(epetitive)E(ffort) is a better name because that is what you are doing.

Speed work is tricky. I definitly get a lot out of it, but most people do it wrong. My legs sometimes shake after my speed work. I am sort of working with a kid right now. He says that he doesn't feel like he gets a workout from speed work. This is clear indication that something is wrong. In his case, he is having trouble moving the weight as fast as he should. Most people will lift the weight just enough to get it up or maybe a little more and think that they are moving fast. The reality of it is that they aren't. If you can do 300lbs for a 1RM then you should be applying 300lbs of force to the bar even when it is at 60%. Now, don't get me wrong, this is tough to do and I didn't really get the hang of it until I had done for a month or 2.

Regardless, rep work is a fine alternative.
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2008/01/03, 01:48 PM
On another note. I really think that you will see good results from doing triples on your ME upper days. The reason is that I don't think you have neural development to fully benefit from singles. In other words you are probably only requiting like 60%-70% of your muscle fibers. Triples will help you active more and give you more practice. I am not saying never singles, just consider doing more triples.
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2008/01/03, 04:17 PM
I've thought about that as well. How would I structure that though?

For example a 200 lb. bench 1rm (not currently doing bench, but just for discussion). My 3rm for this would be somewhere around 180-185 most likely.

45x10
95x8
120x3
135x3
150x3
165x3
180x3
190x3 (probably would fail after 1-2, but it would be a PR attempt)
170x3
160x3



ecle5c
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2008/01/03, 04:19 PM
Or would I start more like:

45x10
95x8
125x5
140x5
155x5
170x3
185x3
170x3
160x3

Basically would I do strict sets of 3, or start with something like 5 and move down to 3 similar to doing triples and moving to singles.
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2008/01/03, 04:25 PM
45x10
95x5
120x3
135x3
150x3
165x3
180x3

I like it up to here.

I would not make a 10lb jump. If 180 was easy( no stopping half way or straining until your eyes are blood shot) then I might add 5lbs and try for one more triple or I might just try for another triple at the same weight. Otherwise, I would just stop. There is no need to do any more sets. I tend to do more sets when I do singles to get 3+ reps in at 90%, but a 3RM is basically 3 reps at 90%.
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2008/01/03, 04:31 PM
If you need to estimate your 3RM it is usually about 90% of your 1RM. I would round down if it is not a multiple of 5.
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2008/01/03, 06:55 PM
I'd round down for you, up for him. At a 200lb 1rm, remember that he is probably better at reps than at getting maximal neural drive on a single attempt.

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Quoting from Pemdas:

If you need to estimate your 3RM it is usually about 90% of your 1RM. I would round down if it is not a multiple of 5.

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2008/01/07, 08:40 AM
1/4/07
ME Upper

Incline Bench
45x10
95x8
115x3
125x3
135x3
145x3
155x3
165x2 - missed #3

Flat DB Bench
65x6x3

Seated Row
140x8x4
Supersetted with face pulls
70x8x3

DB Shrugs
65x10x5
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2008/01/07, 08:47 AM
1/5/07

ME Lower

Box Squats
45x10
95x10
Short pause on the box
140x3
170x3
200x3
220x3
Touch and go
240x3 - Rep PR
260x1
280x1
300x1 - PR! - My squat PR is 295, I haven't maxed box squats in about 2-3 months. Last time it was somewhere around 260 so this is huge progress.

DB SLDL
60x6x3

Weighted decline twists
3 sets with medicine ball tossing to partner

Skipped the hypers this week. I am doing a lot of work that is tearing up my lower back and don't want to make my nagging injury any worse.
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2008/01/07, 08:50 AM
On a side note, I actually dropped 4 pounds over the holidays. I got sick for two days just before Christmas and didn't eat much for those two days. Other than that I just didn't eat a bunch of crap this year (cookies, cakes, pies, etc.).

I was actually a little pissed. Being more of an ectomorph body type it is difficult to gain weight even eating 3000-3500 calories a day. My maintenance is somewhere around 2500 or so I calculated.

Anyway, just a rant. I'm pissed because I am hoping to gain as much muscle as possible over the winter here but the scale is staying put. Strength is still increasing though so it isn't a total loss.
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2008/01/08, 08:44 AM
1/7

RE Upper

Dips
BWx10
45x10
45x10
45x8 10 sec rest 45x2

WG Pull-ups
25x8
25x6
25x6
25x4 - some kid literally ran into me while I was doing pull-ups. This killed my focus and screwed my set up.

Overhead DB Press
50x6
50x6
50x6

T-Bar Row
100x6
100x6
100x6

CG Bench
145x6
145x4
145x4
145x4

My triceps were absolutely fried after by this point. I was shooting for 145x6x3, but I was only able to push out 4 reps each set so I did an extra set.
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2008/01/11, 08:18 AM
1/10

RE Lower

Front Squats
45x10
95x10
145x6
145x6
145x6
145x6

GMs
45x8
95x6
145x6

Leg Extensions
90x12x3
Not sure why I did these, but my quads felt them very well.

Heavy Abs - decline sit ups with 25 lb. weight.
145x6
145x6
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2008/01/14, 09:23 AM
1/12

ME Upper

Incline Bench
45x20
95x6
115x3
125x3
135x3
145x3
155x3
165x2 +1 w/ spotter
Missed #3 again at 165 but the first two felt much better, and 155 pretty much flew up.

Flat DB press
70x6
70x6
70x5
My left arm started lagging on #6. I had asked a guy to spot me who I've seen around the gym before so he didn't look like a noob. I always spot someone with dumbbells on both arms to make sure they remain in line with each other.

This guy spotted only my left arm which completely threw me off balance, I dropped the dumbbell in my right arm out to the side but since I was basically twisted the one in my left arm fell into me and gave me a huge f'in bruise where it hit me right where my shoulder and chest meet. Man that shit hurt.

Seated Row
160x6x3

Face Pulls
70x10x3

DB Shrugs
70x6x5
ecle5c
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2008/01/15, 10:05 AM
1/14

ME Lower

Box Squat - I used a box that was about an inch or so lower than the one last week. The one I wanted to use was being sat on by some kids so I said F'it and just used another one.

45x15
95x8
Start slight pause
135x3
165x3
195x3
225x3
End pause, touch and go
255x3
285x1
305x1 - 5lb PR, felt good, probably had 5-10 more but I'm trying to stop myself from failing at the end of every ME day.
275x1

DB SLDL
70x8
75x8
70x8
Back felt good today, I've been having some low back/hip pain on my right side so sometimes I take it easy or cut out a movement like this. Today felt great though.

Heavy ab work
Decline twists - 3 sets
Rope crunches/pulldowns - whatever you call them 3 sets
Hanging leg raises - 3 sets
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2008/01/15, 10:07 AM
good work... are you using a belt at all?
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2008/01/15, 10:31 AM
sweet dude...3 plates is right around the corner.
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2008/01/15, 12:44 PM
Yep, I put the belt on around 250 or so. It's a cheap one I bought for $20-30 at the local sporting goods store.

My new goal is to do a full muscle up after watching Menace's video.
2008/01/15, 02:23 PM
Highly recommend Inzer 13mm Lever Belt. One of the best lifting investments you'll make.

I would focus on explosive (DE) pull ups if your goal is to do muscle ups. try to touch the bar to the lower chest or upper abs. Once the speed slows down during a set I would stop and rest and repeat when the speed can be maintained again. Pressouts over the bar also will help you..
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2008/01/15, 03:18 PM
i like my elitefts power belt 13mm. its amazing, but i dont know how it compares to the Inzer menace recommends..
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2008/01/15, 03:41 PM
I have the 13mm inzer...its good shit.
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2008/01/16, 08:52 AM
1/15

RE Upper

Standing military press
50x8
100x6
90x6
90x6
90x6

Wow, I discovered that I am piss weak overhead. I really need to bring this up. These were some pretty humbling numbers.

Is there a huge difference between standing and seated military press that help explain this?


Explosive pull-ups to top of abs (working on a muscle up)
bwx8
bwx6, 5 sec rest did 2 more
bwx6

I did these as Menace recommended and stopped when my speed started to suffer.

Incline skulls
70x8x3

Wide grip seated rows - I grip the bar about as wide as my bench grip
Didn't know where to start
80x6 - too easy
110x6 - too easy
130x6
130x6
130x6
130x12 - the last 4 or so I started to swing a little but I was just banging out reps

Fly/Rear Delt machine superset
Rear Delt: 40x8
Fly:90x8
Repeated 3 times

I haven't done flyes in a long time, I wasn't going for a real heavy weight just a good stretch and as quick as possible from that.
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2008/01/16, 08:53 AM
I also did 2 sets of standing arnold presses at the end because I was so mad about my weak military press.
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2008/01/16, 09:19 AM
Dude, your only 155? I might not be saying this if you were 4'10, but you are 5'10. EAT SOME FIGGING FOOD. You training will explode if you start gaining weight. I think part of the reason that you are still seeing progress is that you are slowly becoming more neurally efficient at the big lifts. While this is good, you need to pack on some slabs of meet. I am not saying that you have to gain 20lbs in a month, but you should be gaining at least 1lb ever 1-2 weeks. At 5'10 even 180 is light for a powerlifter.
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2008/01/16, 11:03 AM
SKWATS AND MILKZ!
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2008/01/18, 08:23 AM
1/17
RE Lower

Sumo DL
135x6
185x5
225x4
225x4
225x4
225x4

Lunges
45x6x3

Leg Curl superset with extensions below
70x10x3

Leg Extension
110x10x3

Standing crunch
3 sets

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2008/01/18, 08:30 AM
I'm starting a new 3 week cycle, here's my plan:

ME upper
Floor Press
Incline DB press
CG Pulldowns
Standing face pulls
3-pt DB Row
Lateral raises

ME Lower
Box Squats - 1.5-2 inches lower than last cycle
RDL
Lots of ab work

RE Upper
Standing military press
Speed pullups (at end of 3 weeks I'll go for a muscle up)
WG seated rows
Incline skull crushers
Rear delt/fly superset

RE Lower
Sumo DL (may switch these with GMs from the pins)
Lunges
Leg curl/extension superset
abs


I think I need some help on the lower body days, they seem light. Upper body I am trying to focus on shoulders, triceps, and abs. Lower body I have been trying to focus on hams and low back but have really beat up my low back. I'm trying to avoid a lot of volume for it this cycle.
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2008/01/18, 09:06 AM
I think you need more volume. I always see like 3 sets of 6 or 8. Try for like 5 sets 5-10 on your accessory stuff.

You could add in light(Sets of 15-20) back raises to work the lower back and help it recover. If the lower back is fired don't forget about the leg press. It gets a lot of hate, but it is still and option especially for accessory work.

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2008/01/18, 12:49 PM
Ok, revising lower body days after more thought.

ME Lower
Box Squats
Lunges - 4 sets
Pull-throughs 4 sets
Ab work

RE Lower
Leg Press - 5-6 sets
RDL - 4-5 sets
Back Raises - 2 sets high reps (Good advice Pemdas)

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I'm starting a new 3 week cycle, here's my plan:

ME upper
Floor Press
Incline DB press
CG Pulldowns
Standing face pulls
3-pt DB Row
Lateral raises

ME Lower
Box Squats - 1.5-2 inches lower than last cycle
RDL
Lots of ab work

RE Upper
Standing military press
Speed pullups (at end of 3 weeks I'll go for a muscle up)
WG seated rows
Incline skull crushers
Rear delt/fly superset

RE Lower
Sumo DL (may switch these with GMs from the pins)
Lunges
Leg curl/extension superset
abs


I think I need some help on the lower body days, they seem light. Upper body I am trying to focus on shoulders, triceps, and abs. Lower body I have been trying to focus on hams and low back but have really beat up my low back. I'm trying to avoid a lot of volume for it this cycle.

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2008/01/18, 12:52 PM
On RE day I'll do some calf work and one ab exercise for 3-4 sets.
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2008/01/18, 01:28 PM
I meant for the leg press to be an accessory movement not the main lift of the day. I would still DL or Squat for the main movement, probably DL, since you are already squatting. You don't have to go super heavy. Maybe like a 3x5-6 with something around 65%-80% 1RM. focus on form, technique and explosiveness. You can still try to up the weight each week.

I would probably also switch RDL with the pull-throughs.

So...

ME Lower
Box Squats
RDL - 4-5 sets
Lunges - 4 sets
Ab work

RE Lower
Sumo DL 3x5-6
Leg Press - 5-6 sets

I would do one or the other, but not both.
Pull-throughs 4 sets
Back Raises - 2 sets high reps (Good advice Pemdas)

Ab work
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2008/01/18, 01:35 PM
Hear is my though process.

The RDLs should be the main supplemental movement for your squat. This the best hamstring builder if don't have a real GHR. Plus, it is almost redundant to do this after sumo pulls. I suggested swapping the pull-throughs to a different day because the RDLs are already lower back intensive.

Leg Press should never be a main movement and I just think that you will benefit from the practice of doing deads.

Pull-throughs and back raises are pretty much redundant movements. I suppose you could to one set of 20 with each movement if you wanted.
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2008/01/22, 09:08 AM
1/21

ME Upper

CG Bench - I was planning for floor press but all the racks were full and both guys had just started. I'll be doing CG bench as my ME this cycle instead.

45x20
95x8
115x3
125x3
135x3
145x3
155x3
165x1
175x1
185x0
165x1

Incline DB
55x6x4

3-pt Row.
65x8
70x8
70x8
70x8

CG pull-downs
130x12
130x12
110x12

Standing face pulls
60x12x3

My current 1rm bench is 195, today I was able to CG bench 175 pretty easily I'll increase that next week. Is it strange that I can CG bench about 90% of my bench 1rm? I find that strange especially since I have long skinny arms.

I realize that I talk a lot about weaknesses and my biggest one is that I just need to get stronger all over, but any thoughts on this?
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2008/01/22, 08:30 PM
i got good results out of wide grip. I'll probably do more of it in a few weeks.

Most of the people that talk about the bench being 90% triceps compete in a shirt, and double ply at that.

As for flyes, sheiko writes them into programs, and as far as I'm concerned he's the best powerlifting coach alive.

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2008/01/23, 08:27 AM
1/22
ME Lower

Box Squats
45x10
95x6
135x3
165x3
195x3
225x3
255x1
285x1
315x0
285x1

I just missed the 315. The box I'm using this cycle is 1-1.5 inches lower than last cycle so I'd have had it with the last height.

RDL
205x6x5

Lunges
40x8x4

Standing crunches
3 sets

Decline situps
3 sets

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2008/01/25, 08:39 AM
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RE Upper
Standing military press
45x12
90x6x4
I wasn't able to progress with these this week, they were just as hard as last week. We'll see how next week takes me.

Speed pullups
bwx8x3

Incline skull crushers
80x8x4

Seated wide grip row
140x8x4
130x12

RD/Fly superset
RD 50x8x3
Fly 100x10x3
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2008/01/25, 09:28 AM
Looks like you did more than last week on the OHs. It is hard to go up 5lbs a week when you are at 90lbs. When I am in situations like this I do the following.

Session 1 90x3x6 95x6
Session 2 90x2x6 95x2x6
Session 3 90x6 95x3x6
Session 4 95x4x6

Or, I'll sometimes do this.
Session 1 90x4x6
Session 2 90x5x6
Session 3 90x5x8
Session 4 95x4x6

Both work.

Also, I am not sure how much your collars weigh, but ours weight 1.25lb each, so if yours are similar then you can use them to make smaller increments in weight.


ecle5c
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2008/01/28, 08:34 AM
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Sumo DL
135x4
225x4x5

Leg Press
360x8
450x8x3
360x8x2

Pull-throughs
140x12
150x12
150x12

Calf Raises
I hate doing calf work, but my calves are still scrawny.

Ab Work
3 sets heavy decline sit ups
3 sets hanging leg raises
ecle5c
ecle5c
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United States
2008/02/12, 09:05 AM
I'm back. I've been out for about 2 weeks. I had the flu for about 5 of them and pneumonia on top of it. That kept me out of the gym more than anything else because I couldnt' breathe. I tried going twice but had to leave because it got so bad.

I did my best to maintain my weight through the flu part of it. For 5 days I ate close to nothing. I forced myself to drink protein shakes and eat as much as possible. In the week since then I've been eating more to make up for the 2 pounds I lost while I was sick.

I'm not training for a meet or anything so I wanted to change up my routine for the next 3 weeks then I'll go back to my normal schedule. I'll be doing a 3 day a week full body split.
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