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gains with 4day bulk, 2day cut w/ lowBF?

1NS4NITY
1NS4NITY
Posts: 10
Joined: 2009/05/26
Canada
2009/09/12, 12:23 AM
Hi there everyone, this is my second post on free trainers. Any advice and opinion will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

A little about myself:
I am 173 lbs at 5'9 with 18% body fat.

My Bulk diet is 200+ grams of protein and 300+ grams of carbs

I am planning to Bulk 4 days, Thursday - Sunday
Do cardio 2 days, Either Monday and Tuesday or Tuesday and Wednesday. And Break one day either Mon or Wed.

My cardio diet consist of 200+ grams of protein and 125-150 grams of Carbs. And i do cardio in the AM with a pre and post workout shake + vitamin

So I was wondering if I could still get legitmate gains while keeping bodyfat absolutely minimal

I know alot of people would recommend doing one thing at a time, but considering my situation I don't think I can manage to do that. Sorry for not being clear about this.

So Thank you help, all answers,advice, and opinion will do of great help.

Regards,
1NS4NITY
ccaintcc
ccaintcc
Posts: 3
Joined: 2009/10/15
United States
2009/10/20, 06:08 AM
Hey there, you and I have (almost) identical stats. I'm 5'9 170 lbs with 17% body fat.

I am skinny fat, so I don't know if I should bulk first, then cut.. or drop my bf (to maybe 12%) then bulk..

I like your regime.. Please let me know how it's working for you, cuz I'm always open to tryin out new things.. Thanks! - Chris
returnofplex
returnofplex
Posts: 801
Joined: 2007/10/26
United States
2009/10/21, 01:07 PM
Okay here's the deal on what you're trying to do: It's like pulling a rope from two opposite sides. There isn't a way to gain appreciable mass without putting a little fat weight on in the process. In this process you'll actually be eating more calories than your body's "maintainence level". To keep the fat weight to a minimum, it's all about managing your calorie sources, and keeping your diet as clean as possible. That means not eating a bunch of empty carbs or foods high in saturated fat. You're looking at eating around 17-20 calories per pound of lean body mass per day. Also cardio should be kept to a bare bones minimum because it burns precious calories that should be going to repairing and rebuilding damaged muscle tissue.
The good news is that the fat you gain during a "bulk cycle" should come off fairly quickly, especially because of the addition of the new lean muscle mass, which can burn an extra 50+ calories a day per pound, for just existing on your body. Here you'll be eating below your maintainance level (10-12 calories per pound of body weight).
Trying to do both at once is a super slow process, and could lead to some serious discouragement.


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Quoting from 1NS4nITY:

Hi there everyone, this is my second post on free trainers. Any advice and opinion will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

A little about myself:
I am 173 lbs at 5'9 with 18% body fat.

My Bulk diet is 200+ grams of protein and 300+ grams of carbs

I am planning to Bulk 4 days, Thursday - Sunday
Do cardio 2 days, Either Monday and Tuesday or Tuesday and Wednesday. And Break one day either Mon or Wed.

My cardio diet consist of 200+ grams of protein and 125-150 grams of Carbs. And i do cardio in the AM with a pre and post workout shake + vitamin

So I was wondering if I could still get legitmate gains while keeping bodyfat absolutely minimal

I know alot of people would recommend doing one thing at a time, but considering my situation I don't think I can manage to do that. Sorry for not being clear about this.

So Thank you help, all answers,advice, and opinion will do of great help.

Regards,
1NS4NITY
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