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2003/06/05, 01:23 AM
I was reading a question on Prolabs site regarding Glutamine absorbtion. They said:
"L-glutamine should always be taken on an empty stomach. If you take it with food you will secrete too much stomach acids, which will prevent most of the absorption of the amino acid. As long as you wait about 1/2 hour before eating your main meal, you will be okay and it shouldn't interfere with its absorption."
Is this true and if so does it apply to other supplements such as Creatine?
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2003/06/05, 02:36 PM
My husband made the following post and I think it would bebefit you to read it. We no longer take glutamine in our supplement regime. It seems that it is a waste of our hard earned money:
Post from BB1Fit:
I would like to throw this topic out for discussion. I find it very fascinating, and a practice I use(or I guess I should say not use) I do not use Glutamine. Haven't for quite some time. I read both installments of David Barr's "Destroying the Dogma". He presents a very compelling argument for eliminating glutamine supplementation except for specific instances. He provides numerous articles to back his stance as it regards glutamine and its purported role in several situations (eg, immune enhancer, anabolic capabilities, etc...). While some of his argument is speculative, I seem to substantiate his conclusions. Except for replenishment of glycogen stores after intense training while on a low carb diet and helping to maintain or increase lean body mass in severly catabolic conditions (AIDS patients), glutamine does not appear to have a significant role in bodybuilding. The last line or so is very key. The glutamine that is used in the "experiments" that purportedly have all these protein syntesis effects, etc. were IV doses. No powder has been shown to do this. Could this be yet another of the supplements companies taking a good sound bit of science and putting their "spin" on it for sales? Comments please. I know many of you will quote from websites the many benefits, but any reputed proof out there? Please read this article.
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THE NATURAL WAY IS THE ONLY TRUE PATH TO SUCCESS, PRIDE, JOY, HAPPINESS, LONG TERM FULFILLMENT AND SELF-ESTEEM!
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2003/06/05, 04:05 PM
I was curious about glutamine because I have heard that amino acids in pill form are useless and that all the claims made by makers of these pills were from intravenous administration, not the pill form which they are selling.
I think I'll save my money. Good post.
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2003/06/05, 04:52 PM
I'll go ahead an toss my 2 cents in:
Several years ago, when glutamine first became prevalent in the fitness industry, I decided to run my own experiment on myself (like I do with so many things...LOL!)
Not changing anything in my diet, rest, or workout routine, except the addition of glutamine, I found my recuperation time cut apporx in half, and the occurence of sickness reduced by about 75%, amongst other things. Now, this is hardly a scientific study, but it convinced my enough to continue using glutamine. And, if for some reason I must stop using, the above mentioned symtoms return. I don't know if it helps me more maybe because I train for powerlifting rather than BB, but I like it.
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2003/06/05, 10:55 PM
I think glutamine in my experience has more beneficial effects for the immune system(not getting sick as often), and the most benefit comes when on a calorie deficient diet like training for a contest as for helping with lean tissue retension. The author of this article seems to correlate this too. I will repost that website article, so all can read it for themselves and draw their own conculsions, as it is very intriguing, and does seem to go against the "herd" mentality. This always raises eyebrows.
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As far as genetics go, the skies the limit. You are limited only by your mental perception of it.
Ron
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2003/06/05, 10:58 PM
OK...here is the article. I advise all to draw their own conclusions on this one. http://www.testosterone.net/nation_articles/body_230glut.html
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As far as genetics go, the skies the limit. You are limited only by your mental perception of it.
Ron
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2003/06/05, 11:02 PM
I had just bought some when I read your post about glutamine bb1fit. I havent opened it yet because I wanted to do more research on it. How do you all usually research supplements and how can believe if they are credible or not. Half the articles I read on other sites are statements just thrown out there without any citation of where they received their information.
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2003/06/05, 11:08 PM
I guess the best way is to go ahead and use it! If it works for you, then great! If you notice no benefits, then save your money the next time. Everyone is different, and there are solid, credible arguments both ways. I find that it doesn't seem to do much for me on a regular diet at least, but this is me. I am very in tune with my body, and I really scrutinize supplements that I take. I went on it, went off it, back on, back off, etc. For good amounts of time with the best pharmecuetical grade I could find. I was simply putting out some interesting info that I happen to agree with for the most part. Just an opposite opinion if you will.
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As far as genetics go, the skies the limit. You are limited only by your mental perception of it.
Ron
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2003/06/07, 05:04 PM
I'm gonna try once anyway and see what happens. So back to my first question about when to take glutamine. Is it necessary to take it half an hour before you eat anything? If so, does this apply to any other supplements such as creatine as well?
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2003/06/08, 11:23 PM
The best way supposedly is 6-8 gr. pre training, and 10 gr. post training. 5 gr. before bed has been touted to help produce nocturnal GH. If you are dieting, then I do believe that glutamine will be more effective as a supplement. For one immune system enhancer, and may help preserve lean tissue.
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As far as genetics go, the skies the limit. You are limited only by your mental perception of it.
Ron
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2003/06/09, 12:33 AM
I would like to share some recent revelations concerning glutamine supplementaion. For years I went around citing this study & that study sharing my positive opinions of glutamine with others. Then I came came across some conflicting research which led me on one of my many obsesive research projects where I analyze a topic to death. After alot of research I found but a few things that where factual & worth consideration. First of all there does seem to be some evidence that glutamine supplementation is benificial to athleates, however when compared to other products that are more benificial(such as creatine, whey protien, & healthy food, it is simply unnecessary & not cost effective. In a perfect world we would not have to worry about bills & other such inconvienences but in the real world we must take care of our responsibilities & unfortunatly budget or purchasing of supplements. So although glutamine may have some benifits unless you have extra money to throw around your best bet is to cover the basics, after all the best results I have ever experienced was on a combination of whey protien, creatine, & follwing a healthy diet(15 lbs in 8 weeks of solid muscle!) & I doubt that glutamine could have improved on that. So there is my opinion, save your money & invest in what works best & set realistic goals, keep in mind that the body can only lose 1 pound of fat or gain 1 pound of muscle per week under optimal conditions without drugs (which is quite substantial when you think about it) so any supplement that promises more is simply trying to lighten your wallet.
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