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2006/01/11, 05:27 PM
Hi,does anyone know if there are any side effects to glutamine or myoplex??How are result oriented are the two?And lastly is there a real need to take glutamine to build muscles?
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2006/01/12, 08:15 AM
glutamine is an unessential amino acid that is needed by the body in higher quantities under/after increased stress situations.....it allows the muscles to recover faster after workouts.....however it's not 'necessary' in order to build muscles....if you have a solid nutrition then you will build muscles either way....however if you lift heavy it may help you recover faster....I have noticed from personal experience that it shaves a day to a day and a half from recovery time for myself...and I recover very slowly....so far no consistant side effects been reported with l-glutamine usage...myoplex is a meal replacement product...so it shouldn't have sideefects(although you can experience bloating, diarrhea, etc) if it has too many calories or has some things you're not used to....
MRP will allow you to get in an extra 'meal' on the go...so it definitely helps you get to your goal for caloric intake....to make muscle gains bottom line is... calories....secondary but no less important are quality protein, carbs, and fats.
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2006/01/12, 12:18 PM
Glutamine is pretty much a waste of money. Oral glutamine is degraded. Glutamine is denatured by the HCL in your stomach. The part that does survive is absorbed by the intestines.
Myoplex is ok. Neither have any sides.
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2006/01/12, 08:11 PM
bb1fit,
Are you saying that L-glutamine powder is a waste of money? If so, are there other amino acids that should be taken?
Thanks.
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2006/01/13, 12:46 AM
Hmmm....could I be experiencing a placebo effect? LOL.....
bb1 what was the reasoning behind (L)glutamine being rated in the top 5 or even 3 supplements for bodybuilders and athletes?
2fingers....BCAAs can be helpful....however not to the extent that you absolutely need them...they can make a small difference if everything else is done well...
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2006/01/13, 01:41 AM
Yep, I am suggesting just that Menace. I have long since stopped recommending glutamine as I researched and learned.
There have been no oral studies shown that show the efficacy of taking glutamine. All of the studies were done on burn victums and AIDS victums, whose levels of glutamine were already low. The glutamine in these studies was administered via IV.
For oral glutamine to be beneficial for protein synthesiss, etc. as it is purported, it would have to extremely unreal doseages to do any good.
And, maybe the crowning touch for your reading pleasure if you care to....
study, performed on people, examined the effect of adding glutamine to an amino acid mixture on muscle protein synthesis .(30) Ultimately, infusion of the original amino acid mixture increased protein synthesis by nearly 50%, but adding glutamine to this mix had no additional effect. This study is particularly relevant because most consumers of glutamine do so following a workout, along with other amino acids (or a whole protein).
Finally, Wusteman et al., used a drug to reduce muscle protein synthesis, along with muscle glutamine levels, in rats.(29) Much like the Olde Damink et al. study, restoring muscle glutamine levels to normal had no effect on protein synthesis. This study further supports the concept that blood and muscle glutamine levels have no bearing on protein synthesis and protein turnover.
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2006/01/13, 02:30 AM
well that's dandy...still got 2 bottles of powder of glutamine left....LOL....i am riding the placebo effect all the way to the end...!!!!! LOL....
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2006/01/13, 08:05 AM
I riding too. But its good to know that I've got some cash to spend on something else in the future. Thanks for the info on this. I'll check into the BCAA's. I'm in the middle of changing my training so I don't want to mix anything else up right now. I'll lose the ability to determine which change created a positive effect (if I get on.)
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2006/01/13, 11:43 AM
I believe most of us fell for the glutamine hype. It is sad, but this is how many supplement companies work. They take a sound scientific study, use the parts that fit their needs and spin it to the consumer.
As far as BCAA's, I am fan of them. You will see no major difference, but recovery should be a bit better, and Luecine in all studies I have found sends a strong signal for protein uptake. By the way, protein synthesis is elevated by more than double (109%) 24 hr. post workout. By 36 hrs. it returns pretty much to baseline, just 14% over normal.
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2006/01/13, 12:19 PM
Am I right to assume that this is the most important time to increase my protein (during the 24hours following workout)? What I am wondering is can I reduce my protein intake to maintenance levels if not working out for several days (since for now I am always trying to increase mass)? I want to be as efficient as possible since the powders cost money.
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2006/01/13, 12:47 PM
You are thinking correctly. If you are working out normally, I would suggest staying hypercaloric if trying to gain mass. As noted, MPS is elevated 24-36 hrs. pwo, and chances are you will be working out again before that period is over.
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