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wallerj Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/06/04	2005/01/11, 05:49 PM For those of you looking for a place to buy Dextrose, the guy at my local supplement store told me the best place to go was to a beer and wine store. As luck would have it Dextrose is apparently used in making wine and I was able to get a 5lb bag of it there for cheap.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2005/01/11, 08:32 PM Yeah, sometimes you get lucky at brew shops. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
longballer Posts: 163 Joined: 2004/04/04	2005/01/12, 09:52 AM LOL if I go into a brew shop I know what I'll be buying:) -------------- Keith Hardy CFO Serious Nutrition Solutions LLC keith@seriousnutritionsolutions.com www.seriousnutritionsolutions.com
NeedaSpot Posts: 30 Joined: 2005/02/17	2005/04/23, 02:12 PM Regarding the malto/dextrose/protein shake, should the amount of malto and dextrose be adjusted accordindly to allot for the carbs that are already contained in my protein shake? I currently take myoplex deluxe and i believe it contains around 20 grams of carbs. If i weigh 180 lbs and am trying to lean out using the 1/4 bodyweight dextrose/malto formula provided by bb1 how should i calculate the malto/dextrose combo considering my protein shake already contains 20 something grams of carbs?
sstump1 Posts: 1,227 Joined: 2005/03/20	2005/04/23, 07:53 PM OK...don't think I missed it and didn't understand it on another thread. I'm 163lbs, 25% BF and would like to lose BF. What is the formula to figure this. I've just been taking a whey protien (Optimum) in the mornings after my workout. Also would you take this same mixture on days you don't workout with morning protien shake?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2005/04/23, 08:51 PM Start with 1/2 of what you would on a gaining regimine, and adjust from there as needed. Do not use simple sugars on days you don't work out. You do not want the insulin spike. No need. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
	2005/06/07, 12:30 PM The spike won't help unless you "earn it" with a hard workout before spiking. Is this what you are asking? The spike will only be beneficial if done post workout and if you keep all sugars to a minimum. -------------- If I had a boat, Id go out on the ocean. If I had a pony ; Id ride it on my boat. Very soon Charlie
	2005/06/07, 12:32 PM Also you need a meal before an AM workout. -------------- If I had a boat, Id go out on the ocean. If I had a pony ; Id ride it on my boat. Very soon Charlie
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2005/06/11, 11:06 AM The better your insulin sensitivity, the more potent your pwo shake should be. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Razaq1979 Posts: 1 Joined: 2005/06/21	2005/06/30, 04:34 AM I'm trying to gain as much weight as I can as soon as I can as healthy as possible. I am currently 26yrs, 150pds, 6ft ( been skinny all my life ). Trying to get to 180pds by december this year and 210pds by end of next year. I will be working out( lifting weights, no cardio cuz I think that'll make me lose weight ) 3-4 times a week. Quesiton is what kind of shakes should I be taking. I bought GNC mega whey already and plan on mixing with dextrose and maltose. Not sure how many grams of each I need to be mixing together for the kind of weight gain I want. Also anything else I should be taking, seen posts on here about creatine, do I need to be mixing this with whey as well? Sorry if this all sounds very ignorant, but I am a complete newbie at this. Though very determined, just want to make sure I put in effort in the right manner. Thanks.
bropie Posts: 1,084 Joined: 2004/12/04	2005/06/30, 06:27 AM if you are looking to bulk, do about half of your current bodyweight in grams of dextrose and the same for maltodextrin. use 1/4 of your bodyweight for postworkout whey protein.. mix em all together and enjoy! if you are taking creatine.. take it separately. the best way ive heard is chugging half your whey/dextrose/malto shake right after a workout, then sipping the rest for about half an hour. take your creatine mixed with water (if its a monohydrate powder) about half way through, as your insulin should be spiked for better absorption into the muscles. check out fitbuddy for more creatine info, its been discussed plenty of times.
Shaps Posts: 15 Joined: 2005/07/18	2005/07/22, 12:42 AM This sounds very interesting... I might have already been doing this. After each workout I immediately sip on a myoplex shake mixed with EAS Phosphagen Elite (33g sugar). I am 25/m about 155 lbs. Is that sufficient? Are there any concerns with medical issues, triggering insuline spikes?
	2005/09/27, 01:57 PM bump
dawgfan77 Posts: 5 Joined: 2005/10/11	2005/11/02, 06:06 PM NO Bropie, that is not right. You want to take 1/2 of your bodyweight (actually your lean body weight) in grams of simple carbs TOTAL. that means 1/4 your lean body weight in maltodextrin and 1/4 your lean bodyweight in dextrose. (1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2). then i would take about about 1/4 of my lean bodyweight in protein but some would say less and some more. but taking 1/2 your bodyweight in malto and 1/2 in dextrose is a mistake. nothing personal by the way, just would hate for someone to read these posts and be trying to do the right stuff and not get accurate info.
mrdeadly99 Posts: 124 Joined: 2005/09/21	2006/05/09, 09:22 PM if malto and dextrose arent availiable, would it be beneficial to consume any type of simple carb?
Mojo_67 Posts: 1,299 Joined: 2003/09/23	2006/05/09, 11:55 PM If you cant find a health store that carries(or will order it for you) Malto and Dex. Try going to your local drug store and looking in the diabetic section for glucose tabs. They're pure dex. -------------- Blow Up The Outside World-Chris Cornell
Shap Posts: 42 Joined: 2003/05/06	2006/06/05, 06:20 PM ============ Quoting from big_j_scf: So taking Dextrose and maltodextrin is what gives you the insulin spike? Does spiking increase your risk of diabetes if it runs in your family? ============= Can anyone comment on this? I know personally i feel like crap after having a super sugar filled drinks. Are there any safety issues involved with spiking, or is the pretty much the same as say drinking a Sobe(sugar filled)?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/05, 07:11 PM A strategically timed insulin spike is beneficial, different than habitual spikes due to ramdom sugar/hi gi spikes that the sedentary folk do. This is what is a precursor of type 2 diabetes, not the timed spike. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
Shap Posts: 42 Joined: 2003/05/06	2006/06/05, 07:20 PM Thanks. I didn't understand most of that, but got the general answer :) ============ Quoting from bb1fit: A strategically timed insulin spike is beneficial, different than habitual spikes due to ramdom sugar/hi gi spikes that the sedentary folk do. This is what is a precursor of type 2 diabetes, not the timed spike. =============
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/05, 09:42 PM Random spikes that sedentary folks do are what leads to adult onset diabetes or type 2. What I mean by that is the average joe will throughout the day eat a candy bar, drink a soda or two, have white bread and white pasta, etc. All of these will cause minor to major insulin spikes. Thus a high and subsequent crash. The crash brings on more binging. The bodybuider "times" his spike for pwo when nutrient uptake is best. Blood sugars can drop during a stressful workout, and must be restored. A correct spike at this time is in fact beneficial. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
FilthyPL3B Posts: 262 Joined: 2006/04/04	2006/06/08, 11:02 AM Okay, now please excuse my lack of knowledge on this (i have been reading up on this for about an hour now), but i'm 6ft 188pounds, looking to bulk up without the fat. Now i have decided to leave "spiking" until im at a level whereby i feel i "deserve" it. So instead i just take whey and flaxseed oils as supplemens. To the point i am posting here as im unsure how much whey to take in my shakes according to my bodyweight? Also, I am looking to invest in creatine, but cant figure out whether i should considering i dont want to put on any fat. Any input would be appreciated. Apologies for my lack of knowledge, and thankyou for your patience on reading this entire message.
ATIGER Posts: 992 Joined: 2003/02/26	2006/06/08, 12:10 PM I have never went into a bulking phase (unless you count the past 10 yrs) but you will gain some fat when bulking. As for the whey in a PWO shake, I would guess at least 100g but others may be able to answer that better
FilthyPL3B Posts: 262 Joined: 2006/04/04	2006/06/08, 02:05 PM thnx atiger, looking to add mass but lose the little extra weight on my midsection. i'm guessing creatine will hinder that.
ATIGER Posts: 992 Joined: 2003/02/26	2006/06/08, 02:37 PM Try CEE. I am trying to lose a few pounds but still take that. No water retention and absorbs much better than creatine mono
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/08, 02:43 PM tiger is right...CEE is great on a cut. Helps you keep your sanity with the strength issue of reduced calories. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
FilthyPL3B Posts: 262 Joined: 2006/04/04	2006/06/09, 09:15 AM Appreciated fellas, a good collective knowledge here. Anyone have a link to the best place to buy the CEE product?
FilthyPL3B Posts: 262 Joined: 2006/04/04	2006/06/09, 09:15 AM Appreciated fellas, a good collective knowledge here. Anyone have a link to the best place to buy the CEE product?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/09, 11:15 AM Many places....I like this... http://www.dpsnutrition.net/product_information.asp?number=SN023&back=yes&dept=1047&last=1047 -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
FilthyPL3B Posts: 262 Joined: 2006/04/04	2006/06/09, 12:45 PM cheers bb1fit, do u or anyone else know of any UK sites that sell CEE products? Also, anyone heard of the LA Muscle products...i.e. Norateen II nd V.I.P Protein? They boast that the UK's champions use it apparently, but as always, i remain wary.

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