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2006/01/23, 11:19 AM
Hi is there anyway to bring out Vascularity permanent or more then I usually do have, it bothers me! I know it sounds stupid but I think veins look awesome going over the muscles a lot of people who do Bodybuilding model competitions are rated on vascularity, body fat, muscle definition, and just big muscles! Well all I need out of that is better Vascularity I have so little body fat! But my veins don’t stick out at all besides in my palms I want them going under my forearms over my biceps, shoulders, everywhere! Is there anyway? Food? Drink? Any Exercising programs bring it out? Any advice would be appreciated thanks.:surprised:
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2006/01/23, 11:23 AM
Some folks are blessed with high vascularity. If you are not one of them, then leaness will help.
Cooling is a key....if you ever notice in the summer, if you are under the blanket, when you wake in the morning you will be pretty vascular. This is the bodies way of trying to cool, pumping blood to the warm areas.
If you notice, if you are cold and your body temp lowers your visible veins will disappear until you warm up.
Proper hydration is also essential.
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2006/01/23, 11:26 AM
Thanks bb1
Well I guess you learn something new everyday :D
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2006/01/23, 10:05 PM
Low body fat + hard exercise in those areas:
-Try compound supersets meaning 2 consecutive exercises for the same muscle with just a few seconds rest between each, before resting. Do 5-6 sets.
-Also try to use isolation exercises instead of compounds, and use cables instead of free weights, with reps in the 10-15 range.
Basically what you want to do is train as though you were cutting for a contest-that'll bring out any veins that are there.
If this doesn't work it's just hereditary.
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2006/01/23, 11:31 PM
pumpsterr, I think I have read all 14 of your posts, and I think about 10 of them have left me wondering as to your logic.
For anyone that cares what really works: vascularity is a product of leanness as well as body temp. Dehydration is another thing that factors in for Bodybuilders during contest time.
However, vascularity can be built. Increased vascularity is a product of training your muscles to handle long bouts of exercise, often times during periods where circulation is less than optimal (ie contractions).
An example of this is how rock climbers train their for arms with endurance bouts of low intensity routes. They train this way to help to reduce the level of "pump" in the forearm region achieved by more difficult routes. One way they do this is by doing long routes and traversing, sometimes for up to 30 minutes at a time, with a very mild pump. This forces the body to build new pathways for blood to flow.
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2006/01/24, 02:33 AM
My doc used to complain when I was 16 that I had no veins to draw blood...he would stick and miss me with the needles...guess what? 7 years later I have very good viscularity....some of the veins look like small muscles.....and guess what I train with very low reps...and big compound exercises.....on top my lean body mass has increased by 50+lb and my body fat dropped by probably 10%.....Your viscularity will increase as you build more muscles ...and drop body fat....I also almost never use any drop sets or super sets....there's nothing special in these training techniques...they are useful for a change....but not in themselves....proper hydration as wrestler already pointed is also key....I get huge veins come out on my forarms and biceps after just 1 set of very heavy bicep curls....of reps under 8 most of the time....
The reason why most people have best viscularity while 'cutting'? quite simply it's because they are losing body fat....Anything reasonable training wise will produce the viscularity....you could just as easily do heavy compound exercises with low reps and short rest periods...no real connection with high rep sets for achieving viscularity...except building muscle endurance...
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2006/01/24, 09:20 AM
Thanks menace you always seem to make the most sense then anyone!
+ I like your new pic you have a great body keep it up
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2006/01/24, 10:35 AM
I will repeat that to bring out veins, you want a pre-contest cutting routine using higher reps, higher sets and a changed diet.
Casey Viator, a long-time HIT trainee who espouses low sets, compounds and infequent intense workouts, also noticed this advantage re: pre-contest cutting-higher sets (volume), increased intensity (supersets, negatives, etc.) and higher reps make a huge difference, even to someone who otherwise trains differently.
That and of course diet/cardio, to lower body fat.
It's very very simple.
Rock climbing analogies? You've got to be kidding. Tell that to bodybuilders preparing for contests and cutting up. Higher reps and intensity techniques like supersets are also key, not only for cutting but to refine the muscle, bring out any veins that are there.
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2006/01/24, 01:37 PM
Am I kidding? No. They are both humans, they are both athletes, and guess what, the same methods for vascularity that work for one group will work for the other.
Yes, higher reps bring out vascularity, thats what I just said, except that I managed to back it up rather than compare it to a HIT trainee of all people. Please tell me you don't subscribe to this outdated methodology of training.
But WTF is "try to use isolation exercises instead of compounds, and use cables instead of free weights, with reps in the 10-15 range" going to do? Go ahead, back this up, show me how cable weights bring out vascularity.
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2006/01/24, 06:50 PM
Yea, I'd like to see any direct proof of this as well....it's just one of the many ongoing myths....
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2006/01/24, 07:58 PM
Such whining from resident "experts". Just get over the fact that someone else is offering an opinion. Seriously, get over yourselves and the preachiness seen in all your posts. That mountain-climbing analogy was poorly written; only in the following post did you make it clear that you were basicaly saying the same thing i was, in more oblique fashion.
Actually I'm enjoying the fact that you're so baffled by some of my suggestions-anyone with a modicum of experience wouldn't ask those questions.
Maybe this the info will help the open minded. I didn't provide it for know-alls like these two big-mouths who get off setting back and criticizing others. You two are a joke.
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2006/01/25, 04:49 AM
Pumpsterr all you have done so far is make a personal attack at me and wrestler...you could have spent half this energy showing any type of evidence for your line of thinking or at least explaining your basis for it....
Neither one of us claims to be an expert at anything....we're simply trying for you to be accountable for your suggestions....there are lots of people who come and make some crazy suggestion and never come back....part of learning is debating things...if you state some opinion or a suggestion be ready to have a clear rationale for it....otherwise you're showing that you don't even have a clue as to what 'you-re suggesting'.....
All you have done so far is state some of many on going myths or training fallacies that are so abundant in the health/fitness industry today....same type of bs I constantly hear about high reps, isolation exercises, toning, squatting is bad on knees, benching is bad on shoulders, and so forth...bottom line: get a clue
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2006/01/25, 12:44 PM
Wow, this is getting good....I am taking a seat and "watching". :big_smile:
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2006/01/25, 01:36 PM
I don't care if you show your opinion, but you can not back up your opinion. I am not baffled by your suggestions, they are bs. If you can show me one peer reviewed case study on the effectiveness of cable isolation movements vs. compound free weights exercise for building vascularity, I will never post on this site again. And I stand by that.
What you are posting is the type of bs that is found in muscle magazines and spread throughout the gym among trainers that have no idea what they are doing or why they are doing it. You can attack me all you want, but you can not back up your "open minded thinking".
Your not giving an opinion, you are spewing BS. I have seen it over and over again throughout your posts. "more cardio is better cardio", "cables bring out vascularity" etc. Every one of your posts sounds like something read out of a muscle magazine.
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2006/01/25, 01:59 PM
You come across as a vindictive little bitch. Positivity is like kryptonite to you. Prepare to be ignored.
This is a forum for exchanges of ideas. Get the fuck over yourself and the fact that someone else decides to share their experiences.
I will not explain anything, these are my suggestions.
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2006/01/25, 04:05 PM
You dont explain because you can not. Your suggestions are ineffective and incorrect, and it is ignorance that causes injuries.
If you are so set in your ways that you have to attack me rather than debate your point, then that is too bad for you. You attack my "modicum of experiance" and knowledge, and yet you can not give a simple answer.
I believe it was nellyboy that just made a point that one form of propaganda is to attack a person, not their beliefs. This is what you are doing. I apologize if I come off as vindictive, but you are the one attacking me.
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2006/01/25, 06:49 PM
Well said wrestler...
Being positive is just great....however your suggestions would also have to be correct....
'Hey man how can I sprint faster'...
"Oh my friend, that's very easy, just mix some Drano with some water and a tiny bit of rat poison 60 min before the race and you will fly like superman"
^being positive and being correct are 2 often very different things....Just because I sounded positive, doesn't mean the person who'd follow through with that advice won't get badly injured or die....if they can't distiniguish between good and bad advice...
My first forms of training suggestions came from bodybuilding magazines...however once I started reading other sources, I realized that a lot of information in those magazines is plain wrong...it's often ironic because they point out some gym myths yet create new ones or perpetuate other ones....
There's absolutely no need to make personal attacks or swear for no reason...take your emotions elsewhere....if you cannot produce coherent, well thought out and supported arguments then prepare to be criticized....opinions are fine but usually you need some form of evidence to support you....If I say the earth is flat, I hope you call me out on it...and tell me I am wrong....since I cannot produce evidence of any sort...I am clearly wrong...
I really hope pumpsterr that you take this as an opportunity to learn something new....a lot of the time when you help others you help yourself...because incorrect ideas are often corrected through debates and exchanges, and you grow as a person....whether you choose to or not is entirely up to you...as it is to each and every person in this situation...
good luck, and all the best
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2006/01/25, 08:45 PM
Usually personal attacks begine when an argument is lost and the person knows it. :big_smile: At this point, you know you have won.
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2006/01/25, 08:56 PM
I can say for myself that I know little about working out. I know what to do that works for me but I would not give advice to others. Now after reading pumpsterr's posts my eyes popped right out of my head and i was thinking WTF. From his posts at this point I really feel sorry for anyone who listens.
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2006/01/25, 10:38 PM
I disagree. I think that as menace said, this can be a learning experiance. The best way to learn is to be wrong. You will remember something better if you are corrected than if you are told correctly from the start.
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Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/01/26, 03:24 AM
exactly....you'll rarely forget the correct information when the old beliefs are proven wrong...the emotional aspect of it, will ingrain the new information much better in you...
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2006/01/27, 12:03 PM
I'm just wondering why my veins don't stick out like most peoples? I have like 1 visible one that goes done my bicep to my wrist but that's all i see people with veins all over the bottom of their forearms and shoulders that's what i want! But do not even compare near the size of me or strong I just want them to stick out everywhere! Even if im pumping iron or not.
Is there anyways?
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2006/01/27, 07:21 PM
I think you guys all need to hit the showers. The thread was basically answered by the first post. I am one who is blessed with good veins but if my body temp is low and I'm not working out or doin' the horizontal bop or something you may never know it. Doesn't take a degree to know this.
You guys fighting over who's opinion is better is nice entertainment though...but be adult, keep the language for face to face, doesn't bother me but may bother others. This is a public forum.
Mojo
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