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I was feeling good about bench yesterday

wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2008/01/04, 12:19 PM ... until I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STuuA4NTZq0&eurl=http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=64194&tid=92 Brian Schwab has always been, but is now particularly, a BEAST :dumbbell: ! -------------- SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
Tinnuk Posts: 291 Joined: 2005/12/19	2008/01/04, 01:49 PM Impressive.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2008/01/04, 01:56 PM I suck! -------------- FOR MY WIFE: Her little ring was a little thing but it was all that i could afford now shes mine all mine till the day i die and i never wanted nothing more 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
merrillj Posts: 197 Joined: 2007/06/28	2008/01/05, 09:26 AM His Stats from EFS: Stats Height: 5' 3" Weight Classes: 148/165 Best Squat: 777 Lb Best Bench: 573 Lb Best Deadlift: 628 Lb Best Total: 1929 Lb Elite Status 148 Lb. Class 165 Lb. Class PLUSA rankings and year Total ranked #1 in the 148 lb. class for 5 years in a row. Total ranked #2 and bench #3 in the 165 class for 2006. Titles #1 Highest 148 all time total of 1836 on 3/3/06. WPO World record bench and highest full meet 165 bench of all time of 573.2 on 3/2/07. 7th highest 165 total of all time, 1907 on 6/17/06 APA 165 Bench World Record of 545 on 12/16/06. 4 Consecutive 148 lb. WPO Bench World Records: 501.5 on 3/5/04 503.8 on 10/8/04 507 on 10/29/05 508.16 on 3/3/06 APF Florida State Bench Record of 473.7 @ 165 on 6/18/05. Metal Gear Metal Ace Briefs Metal Ace Pro Squatter Metal black knee wraps Metal black wrist wraps Metal single ply Viking squatter
	2008/01/05, 06:36 AM *shrug* the weight itself is impressive. What gear did he use for this feat?
Pemdas Posts: 973 Joined: 2004/07/22	2008/01/05, 10:26 AM I think that he is wearing an open back denim shirt for that lift, but I don't know what brand it is. It is somewhere in his training log, but I don't feel like looking for it.
Kidfreedom Posts: 52 Joined: 2004/05/19	2008/02/13, 01:41 AM Would that be considered an assisted lift due to the gear? If so, I really hate that that stuff is allowed. Still, incredible.
Pemdas Posts: 973 Joined: 2004/07/22	2008/02/13, 09:24 AM It would be considered a geared lift, but he still lifted it by himself. He still has to hold it over his body. He still has to lock out that much weight. I hate when people rag on geared lifters when they have no idea what they are talking about.
rev8ball Posts: 3,081 Joined: 2001/12/27	2008/02/13, 12:03 PM I hate 99% of stuff that people say when they have no idea what they're talking about, no matter what it is. -------------- Michael Strength & Conditioning is not everything; it just really sucks to be weak and slow.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2008/02/13, 04:06 PM That's a lot of hate.
SFGiantsMVP Posts: 1,533 Joined: 2005/12/04	2008/02/13, 06:24 PM I'm a pussy! :angry: -------------- Knock-Um Down & Keep-Um Down!
rev8ball Posts: 3,081 Joined: 2001/12/27	2008/02/14, 01:40 AM ============ Quoting from wrestler125: That's a lot of hate. ============= Tell me about it. That's why I usually keep it to myself... -------------- Michael Strength & Conditioning is not everything; it just really sucks to be weak and slow.
Kidfreedom Posts: 52 Joined: 2004/05/19	2008/02/22, 04:35 AM Honestly, when the world record in the benchpress for geared lift is hundreds of pounds more than an unassisted, then that's illegitimate. What's the point? If you can't lift the damn weight off your chest in a regular shirt, then you can't lift the damn weight off your chest. Is it impressive? Hell yes. Are any geared lifts legitimate bench presses? No. Any piece of clothing that allows you to lift 25% more weight is absolutely ridiculous.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2008/02/22, 07:55 AM Kid you have no idea what you are talking about. Just putting a bench shirt on does not mean you will suddenly be able to bench 25% more....most of those guys can bench Raw 500 or more for reps RAW....sheesh. -------------- FOR MY WIFE: Her little ring was a little thing but it was all that i could afford now shes mine all mine till the day i die and i never wanted nothing more 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2008/02/22, 02:11 PM I've noticed consistently that the people that say these kinds of things are the people that don't actually lift weights. It's a good thing we have people that don't lift weights telling us what is legitimate in our sport. -------------- SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
Pemdas Posts: 973 Joined: 2004/07/22	2008/02/22, 02:25 PM ============ Quoting from kidfreedom: Honestly, when the world record in the benchpress for geared lift is hundreds of pounds more than an unassisted, then that's illegitimate. What's the point? If you can't lift the damn weight off your chest in a regular shirt, then you can't lift the damn weight off your chest. Is it impressive? Hell yes. Are any geared lifts legitimate bench presses? No. Any piece of clothing that allows you to lift 25% more weight is absolutely ridiculous. ============= Have you used a calculator on math test. If you have then it is not a legitimate test.
Kidfreedom Posts: 52 Joined: 2004/05/19	2008/02/22, 05:51 PM I understand that it takes a great deal of weight to even utilize the gear. I understand he is dramatically stronger than I am. I understand all of that. I have looked into the physics of geared lifts and understand all of that. With that being said, what's the point? Someone benchpressing nearly 1000 pounds with gear doesn't mean they're any stronger than when they bench 700 without it. Does it mean they're one of the strongest human beings in the history of the world? Yes. Am I strong enough to even USE the gear? No. I'm just not sure what the point is. Educate me. Btw, as someone who had an 800 math on his SAT with no calculator, I can say there is a significant difference when comparing the two. For one, calculators are used as a matter of practical application. Part of the purpose of math courses is to prepare you for the real world where you will have use of calculator and NEED a calculator to be precise as with the realms of personal finance. For instance, I would never discourage an accountant from using calculators. In your words, if a calculator allows you to do do 25% more equations per hour than you would without a calculator, then that doesn't mean you're any smarter just because you have a calculator. All it means is that the calculator allows you to enhance your actual ability and translate it into greater results.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2008/02/22, 06:42 PM It's part of the sport. Powerlifting is about getting stronger. It's about more than that. It's about technique, practice, and having the balls to get under a weight that could kill you. Do you think that tennis players with tighter racquets are cheating? Is a golf player that uses a titanium driver not legitimate? How about a bodybuilder that uses a direutic to drop water weight prior to a contest? The reason you don't understand, is because you don't understand this sport. And until you do, I'd hope you would refrain from criticizing those that have done great things within it. In the future, whenever you are wondering something about the sport of powerlifting, keep in mind that the people that the people that run it (with the exception of kieran kidder) have all been doing this sport for MANY years, and probably know what they are doing. And for the record, you don't need a calculator for the SAT's. They aren't that kind of test. Most math test aren't. And while we're bragging, this is from someone who got a 12 on the putnam exam. With out a calculator. -------------- SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2008/02/22, 06:43 PM The point is to lift it. Simply that. The calculator was a TOOL invented to help Math Geeks do math better. Can they do math without them? YES Are they better with them? YES. Is a lifter better witha Shirt? Maybe maybe not. The thing youneed to remember is that a very small % of all lifters ever reach a pro level of the sport. How many kids that are good in math make a career out of math? I bet a whole lot more. -------------- FOR MY WIFE: Her little ring was a little thing but it was all that i could afford now shes mine all mine till the day i die and i never wanted nothing more 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
Kidfreedom Posts: 52 Joined: 2004/05/19	2008/02/25, 10:02 PM Thank you both, I asked for an explanation and you were more than sufficient. I just find it unnecessary to keep track of geared lifts versus raw lifts. I think the difference with the titanium driver/golf reference is that titanium drivers is that it has become such a standard that you do not keep track of titanium-driver distances versus not, in competition. Sam goes for Tennis rackets. I guess, to a certain degree, it's just more complicated than it should be when someone can say "I bench 800 pounds"..."I bench 600 pounds", and be right with both statements. I understands it's primary use is to simply lift more weight, and that makes sense. I wasn't trying to attack the sport or the individual, I just don't think you should have to clarify a regular benchpress as a "raw" benchpress. For 99% of those who lift, the word "raw" is redundant. But yeah, thank you for explaining a bit more.
Kidfreedom Posts: 52 Joined: 2004/05/19	2008/02/25, 10:04 PM In addition, I'm not an idiot. I remember one of my first posts on this board where I mentioned a high school friend who had a 46" vertical and people thought I was out of my mind and were quick to dismiss it. Differences of opinion don't stem out of ignorance, they're usually just difference of opinion.