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bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 05:54 AM on a leg pressing machine where your laying back in a little seat and your pushing a platform up i can do 3 sets of 12 reps of 600 700 800 and then 15 reps of 1010 without any pain or nothing ,going down to around 90 deegrees. im only 14 and apparently thats impossible to do and i couldnt have gone down that far. i know i went down far enough so that sbeside the point. but is my friend making a big deal of nothing or is that alot of weight i was donig dor how far i went down?
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 06:02 AM sorry i put 3 sets of 600 700 and 800 i meant i just did 12x600 700 800 and then 1010 15 times
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 03:50 PM ive never really tried squats the one time i tried it i did about 400 and that was no problem. The bar digs into my neck and its really uncomfy so i dont do squats
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 06:07 PM ive never done a dead lift ,i dont even know what it is. bench ive done 165 8 times im sure i could get 170 8 times. next year im gonna workout alot more and work harder. i play hockey so i cant get too bulky except for legs. im not very tall so i have to rely on a strong core ,strong lgs and weight to be succesfull in full contact hockey.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/11, 07:48 PM im calling bull. you dont just suddenly load up a bar with 400lbs and then squat it.
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 08:53 PM never mind it was about 200 i think ,sorry about that ,i always think 45 lb plates are 90 lb plates for some reason ,i only did it once though just to see how squating was and i felt alot of discomfort in my neck.
	2005/07/11, 10:04 PM First off I think you're doing quarter/half reps on leg press....touch your knees to your chest on every rep....then see how much you can do... also it's a pretty useless exercise...learn to love squats unless you have a medical reason as to why you can't do them....I'll be shocked if you can do 225 for 10 reps on squat...going down to parallel or lower...even 225 for 5 reps....
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 10:51 PM when i did weights it was a class in school my my weight teacher told me where to go down to which was about 90 deegrees and i followed that for the whole semester.
	2005/07/11, 11:02 PM you'll be surprised how many unqualified PE teachers there are or who know very little when it comes to fitness/weight lifting...not saying it's the case in your situation....still I am a bit skeptical...I see a lot of people doing quarter reps with huge amounts of weight to show how strong they are...but when correctrf...the amount of weight they do is drastically reduced....same with squats...I have these guys in my gym doing 315 with quarter reps on squat....they probably couldn't handle 225 through full range of motion....
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/11, 11:49 PM hes not really a p.e. teacher he is actually the weight teacher for my school ,he does weights himself and knows all about it ,hes very smart when it coems to this. i dont do huge amounts of weight to show how strong i am ,i do it because doing smaller amounts of weight doesnt really do much at all so why hold back? i cant hit my knees to my chest on this machine anyways ,ive tried doing it with no weight on ,i think this machine is meant to do quarter or half reps ,but i have no clue.
	2005/07/12, 02:19 AM I think we got a similar machine at our gym that goes to 505 lb...and it is somewhat awkward... I suggest to switch to a leg press loaded with plates...or better yet do another exercise for legs...like...squats...
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/12, 02:48 AM this leg press is a plate style one. i hate it because we have 4 100 pound plates in the whole room and then i gotta load it with 45's ,it takes like 10 minutes just to set up for leg press. id rather just pop a pin in whichever slot and go from there. i am gonna start suatting but i have discomfort on that one really round vertebra or bone right where the bar sits so i want o find some kind of pad to help that so i can do squats. lately ive been doing wall squats and those work suprisingly well ,they burn the exact muscles that burn when i skate so thats going to help quite a bit for hockey.
	2005/07/12, 02:52 AM press the bar into your traps...the meaty part on top of the neck...or you could lean forward more...and have the bar lower on the upper part of your back(powerlifting style)....a pad might help...
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/12, 02:55 AM ok thanks ,heres a pic of the kind of leg press machine my school has ,ours is alot older but thats kind of the tilt it has and the foot board isnt as big ,i think you can see why i wouldnt go to my chest on that. do you think gonig to 90 on that is good enough? http://www.ruggedmag.com/images/003/calves1.jpg
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/12, 11:07 AM If you and I are thinking of the same type of wall squats, the ones where you put your back on the wall and go up and down, then stop now. Thats a great way to ruin your knees, it puts unnecessary tension on your patellar tendons. It's similiar to a smith machine, but prob worse, cuz you have to push back more, overloading the quadriceps. -------------- The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/07/12, 04:43 PM those are them except i dont go up and down ,i stay done for 30 seconds then get back up then do it again
	2005/07/12, 05:20 PM I have my legs up high on leg press like that....with a wide foot placing...you can touch knees to your chest on that machine no problem....
GOWAR Posts: 361 Joined: 2001/10/24	2005/07/16, 06:45 PM I still don't believe that you could leg press that much weight, and then only squat 200lbs., plus ur 14.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/16, 10:59 PM I agree, and once again call bull. For a 14 year old to squat 200 the first time with good form, I just dont see it happening. Especially considering how long it usually takes just to learn to squat a light weight. -------------- The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/17, 11:46 AM its not impossable for a 14 year old to leg press it. i do around 930 on leg press for reps going down to where my knees touch my chest. but i do agree squating 200 the first time it took me a hell of a long time to get the form down good with light weight. stick to squats if you have a problem with a bar sticking in your neck get a pad or use a towel. -------------- -Andrew
GOWAR Posts: 361 Joined: 2001/10/24	2005/07/17, 05:36 PM I don't even think I could leg press that much weight, but I squat 430lbs., but I never just do leg presses, I do squats, leg ext., leg curls, and then leg presses as an auxilary. How big of a 14 year old are you? still don't believe it.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/18, 04:03 PM im 240 lbs 5'8 my upper body is weak but my lower half is pretty big. i squat around 330 i havent had an acurate max yet. i also do leg extensions and i do strait leg deadlifts then i also do leg press after my squats. and if im not to tiered ill do front squats right after my regular squats. -------------- -Andrew
	2005/07/18, 05:25 PM it's possible...he's probably doing 1/4 or 1/2 leg presses....which you can do a lot on...once you start going down completely...the amount drops considerably... a while back I was doing leg press ~900 for 3-5 reps knees to chest....but couldn't squat 315 for crap....couldn't get a rep with good form....because it requires so much coordination ....I have a hard time believing either...but I personally could care less....whenever someone lists something I take it as mostly true....what's the point of lying online to people you don't know and probably will never see irl? ...you're either very strong for your age...or you're wasting time bsing online.....I'll assume that you're just very strong for you age/size... I think I know your built...and I had a friend similar to your built in college...big core/hips....built for the leg exercises....stiff legged deadlifts are awesome for hitting hamstrings....make sure to incline deadlifts in your training.....
	2005/07/18, 05:28 PM first 3 P are for bruin, last is for Am...
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/18, 05:55 PM i wouldnt say im built but my body does favor leg exercises. they just so happen to be my favorite thing to work to. -------------- -Andrew
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/07/20, 06:49 AM This will fire some people up... Who gives a crap about how much anyone leg presses? The leg press does not transfer well to the squat. It is not even close. The various leg presses will also vary in how much weight you can move. Leg presses are good for developing work capacity but not squat strength.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/20, 12:10 PM i know it doesnt transfer into squats. belive me when i first did squats i thought i could do like 250 cause i could leg press that much i went down a little and it made the loudest noise ive ever heard in a gym. i only go heavy on leg press because it develops my legs well. it has made my quads bulge out but thats about it. this is random but i thougt it would be a good idea to ask. when i go real heavy with squats and deadlifts like 90% should i belt? my buddy that works at my gym tells me i should so i dont strain my back and all that. -------------- -Andrew
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/20, 10:54 PM depends... I personaly agree with man of steel, i never use a belt. I cant use a belt to help me when Im in competition so why would i use one to help me train. However, if your looking to "build up your quads" then by all means, use a belt, just dont expect your squat to be all that great. Most powerlifters only use a belt for their heaviest lifts, usually pr's. I don't even use one for that. Anyway, i leave with this: If you need a belt because you lower back is your weak point, then what do you think that will do for this weak point??? -------------- The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/21, 11:10 AM no my lower back isnt a weak point i just thought it would be good for safty sake. but if its not necasary than i wont use it. thanks for all the input -------------- -Andrew
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/07/21, 01:54 PM I never belt. I did a single with 750 on the squat without belt or wraps. If you use a belt then only on max effort sets. And then don't pull it too tight. The belt should be used more for awareness of how to use the trunk. I'll expain this later if you don't know what I mean.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/07/21, 03:11 PM no i know what you mean i think. kind of teach you how to use your back and placement where it would help on a particular exercise is that what you mean? i wold only use it on max effort sets like in the 2-3 rep range -------------- -Andrew
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/21, 08:28 PM I think that what he means by not pulling it too tight, is alot of people want a belt to squeze their stomach and back, because they think this means they are well supported. However, you should keep it at 1-2 notches looser, and then push out against it with your abs.
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/07/22, 12:14 AM wrestler has it right.
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/11/24, 07:13 PM hey im back sorry about the 400 squat thing ,i thought it was 400 it obviesly wasnt .i wasnt shitting about the leg press though. i did squats today for the first time ,had 135 on and i was fine doing 3x12 but now im cramping up all over my hams and quads ,why though?
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/11/24, 08:07 PM If you "misscounted" and can't tell the differance in squating 135 and 200 or 400( addition wise) cause the 2 aren't even close......135 is a plat on each side.....while 400 is liek 4 plates a side.....BIG differance. Maybe you miss added on the leg press ...its called being sore.....no big thing -------------- Friends don't let friends squat high... People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/11/24, 09:23 PM I know I didn't miscount on the leg press because ive done that amount on it on a few occasions .I dont know what happend with the squats but I didn't know much about them and someone asked if i did them and i said i tried once but i never counted how much was on and i just kinda picked it up and did a rep to see what squats are like because i know theyre a great excersise .i assumed it was 400 and i didnt think that was very high until everyone told me it was bullshit and then i actually tried squats so now i know 400 is quite high. Please quit sayimg im shitting about the leg press ,because im not ,most my family is born with strong legs and ive played hockey for 10 years which helps leg strength. and i didnt do quarter reps ,i was doing about 3/4 reps which im gonna get flamed for because i didnt go the whole way but whatever.
	2005/11/24, 11:45 PM bruin who cares...move on...we all fck up... I suggest u do AT LEAST parallel squat...and better if u go lower...it's best on the knees if u go below parallel...stop with the 3/4 bs....u know what's good form and what's not...there are always reasons to do partial reps...and if u do them wisely...and with 101%+ of ur full 1 rep max then u will get great results...generally tho...full reps...u want as much range of motion as possible...builds more muscle and strength... good luck
bruin88 Posts: 13 Joined: 2005/07/11	2005/11/25, 12:18 AM i meant to say 3/4 reps on leg press ,squats i go full(bum just below knees?) ,can squats replace leg press? and sorry but getting pissy
retrofish Posts: 118 Joined: 2005/06/20	2005/11/25, 06:12 AM This is off topic but say a person doesn't have access to a squat rack, and all they can do is leg press? Could you somewhat compensate by having them focus on my hamstrung and glute related assisstance exercises, like rdl's etc.? I know it wouldn't be as good as squatting but I figure it would be better than nothing.
	2005/11/25, 10:32 PM better than nothing for sure...for leg presses...knees to chest... you can also try to do lunges... rdls, back extensions, GMs they train primarily back, hamstrings muscles... squats hit hips/quads more....
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/26, 01:00 AM on squats your legs should go past parallel to the ground, top of hip lower than knee. And yes, better than nothing. But I would also say powercleaning the weight and then doing front squats would be better than no squats at all. -------------- Yes I realize my shins are bleeding. And its called a deadlift. Any other questions??? If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
retrofish Posts: 118 Joined: 2005/06/20	2005/11/28, 12:31 PM Yeah that probably would be wrestler, but I don't think he can do that either. I'm trying to help my cousin with a routine and at his gym there is not a squat rack and I don't think he is allowed to deadlift or do olympic lifting.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/28, 01:44 PM eh. Buy a barbell and put it in your backyard. You can get 300lb set for ab $100. Thats less than the cost of a gym membership, and more effective than not being allowed to deadlift, squat, or do olympic lifts. -------------- Yes I realize my shins are bleeding. And its called a deadlift. Any other questions??? If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
	2005/11/28, 05:23 PM couldn't agree more.....wish I had a backyard I can obliterate...but I live in a 6 apt building and my neighbors would castrate me if I ruined their pretty grass and their oh so pretty flowers :/
retrofish Posts: 118 Joined: 2005/06/20	2005/11/29, 03:31 PM Good idea. It makes me with I could convince him to actually do more 'hardcore' exercises. Wouldn't that barbell rust though?
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/29, 06:16 PM Probably... And??? -------------- If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous. ============ Quoting from 7707mutt: The squat cage is holy ground. ============
smallbig Posts: 86 Joined: 2004/12/27	2005/11/29, 10:33 PM rust builds strength. Anyway, think of the rust as micro loading
	2005/11/30, 04:11 AM rusted barbell....how much more hardcore can it get?
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/30, 01:32 PM micro loading? hmmmm.... I like it. just like the mud that sticks to your bumper plates. -------------- If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous. ============ Quoting from 7707mutt: The squat cage is holy ground. ============
retrofish Posts: 118 Joined: 2005/06/20	2005/11/30, 07:03 PM Oh I don't have a problem with it, I just didn't know if it would ruin it or not. It rains like every day in florida.

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