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2003/01/31, 09:40 PM
I'd like to hear opinions on protein, such as the proper amount and such. There is alot of floating theories out there as to how much is enough, supplementaion, etc.
Here's my take...I feel there is no need for protein supplementation because we get more than enough from our diet, assuming we balanced meals. Everybody has a limit to how much protein it uses whether you are working out or not. It is a shame that the health food industry is capitalizing on this through clever marketing. We need protein, no coubt, but the more we take in the more we are pissing out.
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2003/01/31, 09:53 PM
The "need" for protein supplementation is as you say, a misnomer, if you can eat enough protein throughout the day. Protein supps come in nicely say for instance, I take in upwards of 225 gr. per day. After a while, I get tired of eating chicken breast, and a nice chocolate shake is welcome. This protein amount debate has been going on for a long time. Even your clinical dieticians will fail to realize the needs of a resistance training athelete. When we are going through catabolism on a daily basis almost, (tearing down of tissue), you cannot tell me that we only need as much protein as the same weight couch potato. The old school was that your body could only use about 20-30gr. of protein at a time. This again makes no sense for much the same reasons. Your body wants to build muscle as its last thing, so an abundance of protein must be available for all other needs, plus an adequate amount to put you in a positive nitrogen state. Sure some is going to be excreted, but is this not better than excess carbs where if glycogen stores are full, the remainder is stored as ugly fatty tissue? If you are a 200 lb. bodybuilder, try getting 20-30 gr. at each meal only, 5 meals,and see how much you grow. I can guarantee you not much, in fact, you will probably lose muscle.
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2003/01/31, 10:21 PM
Ditto!
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2003/01/31, 10:56 PM
My main point here is that the need for protein powders and supplements of the like are really a waste of money. Let's face it, people who work out need much more calories than someone who doesn't. When consuming 5-6 meals a day you will definitely get in enough protein, in fact it will be way above the RDA but how else can you consume the nutrients necessary for growth and recouperation? This is what people fail to realize and then they feel that consuming protein powders will add more muscle. Basically it is unrealistic in practicality to follow what the RDA says whether they are right or not.
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2003/02/01, 01:48 AM
I totally agree with that statement. I have been using the protein poweders and to be honest it did @#$@# for me. I just got fat and nothing else.
I`m off anything for about a year I`m trying to use my mind to get the extra push.
The other thing I was talking to kickboxing coach he said that he doesn`t use too much protein 1.0 - 1.5 gram of protein in his routine.
I know that might because he cannot affrod to get as big as a muscle guy because he`d loose on his speed. But this guy is huge as it is plus in top shape.
I still think it`s your own personal opinion. But for me it`s a waste of money and belive me I use to spent a lot.
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2003/02/01, 11:04 AM
Well I guess if one can consume all the protien needed in a daily diet then one doesn't need to supplement protien. But on the other hand if you are like me, I need to supplement because I just DON'T eat enough protien during the day.
So again, it is a supplement which means "to enhance or add to" and not a dietary staple. I don't think there is any controversy if one educated themself before using protien or ANY other supplement.
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2003/02/01, 02:04 PM
I disagree, protein supps do work. Since whey gets absorbed much quicker, I use them right after workouts or when I feel I haven't had much opportunity to get enough protein, which by the way, can happen. (Oh, and by the way, I'll mix up a protein shake with milk(casien protein) before bed sometimes to help counteract catabolism) If consuming 1-1.5g of protein/lb of body weight, that's a lot of protein. You don't get that much through-out the day unless you discipline yourself to ensure you eat enough protein, etc. As far as getting enough calories in a day, no problemo here. Anyway, that's my take and protein powders/bars are very convenient for me and they do work in my opinion.
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2003/02/01, 03:31 PM
Bicep, kind of wondering, is your mind making you any bigger? I have been dreaming of being like Arnold for years now, and guess what, it still hasn't worked. I have been doing protein though, and lo and behold, I have gained. hhhhmmmm.....the power of the mind.
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2003/02/01, 03:35 PM
Countless articles have been written on protein and it's crucial role in building muscle. Again, any time one can intake some protein whether it's a supplement or more traditional like meats, fish, and diary, is a good thing.
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2003/02/01, 03:47 PM
I wish more protein(suppplements and powders) was better but the fact is, it isn't. Many people are led to believe this and it just isn't true. If you work out and eat you will get more than enough. Now if someone wants to go and buy protein powder and supplements, that is fine, but they are definitely wasting their money.
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2003/02/01, 03:54 PM
CJ, you are male. What is your bodyweight? How much protein do you consume on a daily basis? It gets extremely hard to eat day in and day out upwards of 225-250 gr. of protein. A chicken breast can only be cooked so many ways, as also eggs, tuna, etc. That chocolate shake sure is a nice taste treat. And there are excellent protein sources out there. Your hyper GNC stuff I would never buy. But if you do some research, there are some very reputable companies that make a top quality protein or MRP. Thats what I'm talking about....
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2003/02/01, 04:05 PM
Agree with bb1. However CJ, if you're convinced you're getting enough protein through traditional means, you're case of supps being a waste of money may be justified (in your case specifically). I think it comes down to a personal preference on how one likes to get their protein. A high protein shake or MRB is easy to consume and very convenient. Hell, if I can get 40g of protein from a shake, why is that a waste of money? The supps are very expensive and I see where you're going with this CJ. I can afford the supps and they work for me. That was the original question right, i.e., are they a waste of money? Not for me. Keep in mind one other thing, EVERYTHING is subject to getting pissed out. lol That's probably why you'll never see protein beer!
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2003/02/01, 04:17 PM
There's no doubt that some companies put out better protein than others but the bottom line is that it is all the same, it's protein.
bb1fit- I am male and weigh 151. I take in over 1 gram of protein per lb and it is from lean protein like fish, egg whites and turkey, etc. I do take a meal replacement and that is only because I want to get back up to 165, in other words I want to consume more calories. Based on that fact I do not even worry about getting in enough protein. Trust me I've done the protein powder thing and most of it comes right out..
Protein powders are ok if you do not get enough from regular food or if you don't have the time to eat. This is the exception.
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2003/02/01, 05:25 PM
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Protein powders are ok if you do not get enough from regular food or if you don't have the time to eat. This is the exception.
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So I guess there is no controversy on protien then!
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2003/02/01, 07:28 PM
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The controversy revolves around the fact that people are taking in too much protein and that much of it is supplemental protein, which is a waste of money. Eat well balanced meals and the protein powders are not necessary. If you understand that the body only uses so much, then it is easy to see this.
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2003/02/02, 04:21 PM
Imagine that CJFit, you are taking an MRP for extra calories to gain weight. Geez, if I didn't know any better, I would have thought that is one of the biggest reasons most take extra protein or MRP. I think you ended your own argument.
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2003/02/02, 04:29 PM
Don't take too many MRP's as then you will need a cutting gel!
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2003/02/03, 03:12 AM
Of course, the same thing that you said about protein could be said for carbs and fat as well, CJ. I agree, and I'm sure most persons here do as well, that the majority of you daily calories must come from whole food. However, I do not agree that a true athlete could survive, let alone progress, on the US RDA's vision of food intake. I know for a fact that what an athlete needs is not going to be anyway similiar to the needs of your average couch potato.
I need to take in a truck load of nutrients every day to help me reach my goals, and even that is not as much as it used to be. Supplements add to, and are sometimes easier, my whole food diet. Supplements do just that - they supplement. Nothing more; nothing less.
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2003/02/03, 08:09 AM
I use soy protein powder in my oatmeal in the morning as it fills me up and stops me craving sweets all morning. I try and get protein in every meal, although I don;t really count grams any more. I find the more protein I eat, the less I crave sweets/cookies (which are a major problem for me). I often eat vegetarian food, so the added protein in hte morning is a big help.
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2003/02/03, 10:17 AM
If you go by the RDA for carbs, fats, and protein your diet will result in more fat intake that most people would want , if they want to shed fat. The only way to reduce the fat intake, and still take in enough calories is to either increase carbs or protein. I feel increasing carbs is the better but just because you do that does not mean the protein suffers. Check the labels on foods like beans, pasta, rice, etc, and there is enough protein in there to make up for using any protein powder to supplement. As for MRP's, the whole idea for those should be for more calories OR to get in the necessary calories if you miss a meal. I am mainly speaking in terms of supplementing high protein powder. For the mostpart they aren't necessary if you eat enough whole foods during the day.
I also want to thank you all for your input in this thread.
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2003/02/03, 10:24 AM
Supps Rule! lol
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2003/02/03, 05:31 PM
I think they have their place. I use about 6 eas carb control bars a week, just as BB said for a change. After all eating all the eggs tuna etc is bothersome after a while. I would be cooking all the time to feed the protein I need each day. On the other hand I really do not use anything else but real food and hey I think buliding the muscle I have has gone well.
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2003/02/04, 04:20 PM
CJFit - I think you're failing to consider several things.
First off, citing the RDA is like citing a 25 year old encyclopeda, the basics are fine, but information is missing. The FDA (who calculate the RDA's) has brought us the food pyramid, a nutrition disaster that was designed not by nutritionists and doctors, but by lawyers and businessmen. Ever wonder why the base calls for large amounts of grain - the one thing that the body processes the poorest? The FDA has also misclassified all fats as bad when it is readily apparent that is not true. If you're placing your faith in the RDA, you're misguided. The FDA and their RDA are behind the times, as most government associations are.
Irrespective of this, the RDA calls for 50g of protein for the average, sedentary individual. If you sit on the couch all night and at a desk all day, yes, 50g is just fine. But it is easy to realize that people who place greater demand on their bodies would require more nutrition. It is quickly becoming widely accepted that those participating in resistance training should get just short of 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight (2g/kg to be exact). This makes a lot of sense due to the fact that muscle is made out of protein and to build more muscle requires excess protein.
You are correct in the statement that protein supplements are not *necessary*. However, a 200 lb. man with a job and kids is going to have a lot of trouble getting 200g of protein in six meals per day. It's just not practical. This is where those evil MRP's come in. They make it practical. If it were convenient to consume all this protein with whole food, I think we can all agree that is the best option.
In addition, you recommend increasing carb intake rather than protein? Why, exactly, in your scientific interpretation, would you want to do that? Carbs are our primary fuel source. When our tanks are full of fuel (glycogen), that excess food turns to body fat. I'm sure I do not need to remind everyone of the numerous negative health consequences of carrying extra body fat. Also, protein takes roughly two and a half times as many calories to digest than do carbs, thus leaving fewer calories to go to fat storage. If you're on a reduced calorie diet, it makes sense to get more of your calories from protein than from carbohydrate.
Proteins from grains and most vegetables may as well not count. Those are incomplete proteins with low biological value (familiarize yourself with that term). They lack the full content of essential amino acids that meat, dairy, egg and supplement proteins carry. Cut those in half or more when calculating your daily protein if you want to be accurate. That is yet another reason to overshoot a little on protein intake.
If you're placing your faith in the RDA, you've misplaced it. The FDA is run by the same bureaucrats that all other government associations are - and those are the last people that you want to trust. I suggest you brush up on your facts before claiming something as bold as you have. Educate yourself and then we'll bring this back up.
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2003/02/05, 09:01 AM
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CJFit - I think you're failing to consider several things.
First off, citing the RDA is like citing a 25 year old encyclopeda, the basics are fine, but information is missing. The FDA (who calculate the RDA's) has brought us the food pyramid, a nutrition disaster that was designed not by nutritionists and doctors, but by lawyers and businessmen. Ever wonder why the base calls for large amounts of grain - the one thing that the body processes the poorest? The FDA has also misclassified all fats as bad when it is readily apparent that is not true. If you're placing your faith in the RDA, you're misguided. The FDA and their RDA are behind the times, as most government associations are.
Irrespective of this, the RDA calls for 50g of protein for the average, sedentary individual. If you sit on the couch all night and at a desk all day, yes, 50g is just fine. But it is easy to realize that people who place greater demand on their bodies would require more nutrition. It is quickly becoming widely accepted that those participating in resistance training should get just short of 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight (2g/kg to be exact). This makes a lot of sense due to the fact that muscle is made out of protein and to build more muscle requires excess protein.
You are correct in the statement that protein supplements are not *necessary*. However, a 200 lb. man with a job and kids is going to have a lot of trouble getting 200g of protein in six meals per day. It's just not practical. This is where those evil MRP's come in. They make it practical. If it were convenient to consume all this protein with whole food, I think we can all agree that is the best option.
In addition, you recommend increasing carb intake rather than protein? Why, exactly, in your scientific interpretation, would you want to do that? Carbs are our primary fuel source. When our tanks are full of fuel (glycogen), that excess food turns to body fat. I'm sure I do not need to remind everyone of the numerous negative health consequences of carrying extra body fat. Also, protein takes roughly two and a half times as many calories to digest than do carbs, thus leaving fewer calories to go to fat storage. If you're on a reduced calorie diet, it makes sense to get more of your calories from protein than from carbohydrate.
Proteins from grains and most vegetables may as well not count. Those are incomplete proteins with low biological value (familiarize yourself with that term). They lack the full content of essential amino acids that meat, dairy, egg and supplement proteins carry. Cut those in half or more when calculating your daily protein if you want to be accurate. That is yet another reason to overshoot a little on protein intake.
If you're placing your faith in the RDA, you've misplaced it. The FDA is run by the same bureaucrats that all other government associations are - and those are the last people that you want to trust. I suggest you brush up on your facts before claiming something as bold as you have. Educate yourself and then we'll bring this back up.
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I agree with the food pyramid being, basically a joke. I put no faith in that. As for the protein recommendation, I did not say to eliminate protein, I said that alot of people are misguided by how much protein is enough and they over consume in the form of protein powders and supplements when it is NOT necessary. Assuming they have consumed enough from meals, then supplementation is not necessary. The protein recommendation set down by the RDA is too low in my opinion. However the recommendation of 1 gram per pound of bodyweight may or may not be too high. Too many people are counting grams of protein and such and it really isn't necessary. If you eat 5-6 balanced meals a day, each containing a lean protein, a starchy carb, and a fibrous carb, you will get enough protein in and carbs and without counting grams AND without HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT any more protein. In general people are consu,img way more protein them=n they need. Now if you want to debate this any further we can but keep in mind you will be doing so in an unarmed manner. I can get as technical as you like regarding this but I prefer to keep it simple. Bottome line, people are definitely consuming way more protein than they need.
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2003/02/05, 04:56 PM
Lean protein, starchy carb and fibrous carb - where have a I heard that? Phil Kaplan fan by chance?
Okay, assume that one does sit down and have a meal of 4 oz. chicken breast, baked potato and green beans for 5 meals a day everyday. That person would get roughly 150g of quality protein - enough for you at 150, but not enough for someone weighing 200 lbs. Aside from that, who has the time to sit down to a meal like that when they work full time and have children? That is the purpose of protein supplements. They supplement an aspect of your nutrition that you can't fill with whole food. They're no different than multivitamins.
Assume that you can follow the 'Supportive Eating' plan (lean protein, starchy carb, fibrous carb) at every meal. Where's your dietary fat? Despite what many believe, dietary fat is essential to the human body. That plan lacks accomodation for dietary fats, in particular EFAs.
Obviously the subject is protein. Yes, many people following a diet as detailed by most fitness sources may be getting more protein than they need. Someone your size certainly doesn't need 300 grams of protein. Many people intentionally overshoot in order to account for low quality protein and/or for the possibility that some protein in a meal does not get assimilated. I see no harm there. Others use protein to fill in extra calories when cutting fat - when it is most efficient to cut carbs to a low level for reasons I detailed in my previous post. Some people do eat 5-6 meals a day with a source of lean protein - and sometimes their lean protein is a supplement. What's wrong with that. I don't know about your lifestyle, but I certainly don't have the time or the means to have a chicken breast with each of my 5 meals. My MRP's compensate for that.
As for counting grams of protein - I do that because I count calories and to maintain macronutrient balances. It's much more efficient put a consistent amount of energy into your body everyday, rather than haphazardly throwing in whatever is nearby.
I agree that there are some people that do consume too much protein. Those people will almost always be of eating and training habits similar to mine. However, those folks are the exception rather than the rule.
Facts are facts - resistance training atheletes require a greater amount of nutrient fuels than sedentary individuals. The 1g per pound theory has caught on with even the most old school nutritionists out there. You can't sincerely believe that Jerry Rice doesn't need any more protein than you do in order to fuel his activity?
You predicated this discussion on one thing:
<< Assuming they have consumed enough from meals, then supplementation is not necessary. >>
Most resistance trainees don't.
I'd hardly say I'm debating unarmed.
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2003/02/05, 05:52 PM
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Lean protein, starchy carb and fibrous carb - where have a I heard that? Phil Kaplan fan by chance?
Okay, assume that one does sit down and have a meal of 4 oz. chicken breast, baked potato and green beans for 5 meals a day everyday. That person would get roughly 150g of quality protein - enough for you at 150, but not enough for someone weighing 200 lbs. Aside from that, who has the time to sit down to a meal like that when they work full time and have children? That is the purpose of protein supplements. They supplement an aspect of your nutrition that you can't fill with whole food. They're no different than multivitamins.
Assume that you can follow the 'Supportive Eating' plan (lean protein, starchy carb, fibrous carb) at every meal. Where's your dietary fat? Despite what many believe, dietary fat is essential to the human body. That plan lacks accomodation for dietary fats, in particular EFAs.
Obviously the subject is protein. Yes, many people following a diet as detailed by most fitness sources may be getting more protein than they need. Someone your size certainly doesn't need 300 grams of protein. Many people intentionally overshoot in order to account for low quality protein and/or for the possibility that some protein in a meal does not get assimilated. I see no harm there. Others use protein to fill in extra calories when cutting fat - when it is most efficient to cut carbs to a low level for reasons I detailed in my previous post. Some people do eat 5-6 meals a day with a source of lean protein - and sometimes their lean protein is a supplement. What's wrong with that. I don't know about your lifestyle, but I certainly don't have the time or the means to have a chicken breast with each of my 5 meals. My MRP's compensate for that.
As for counting grams of protein - I do that because I count calories and to maintain macronutrient balances. It's much more efficient put a consistent amount of energy into your body everyday, rather than haphazardly throwing in whatever is nearby.
I agree that there are some people that do consume too much protein. Those people will almost always be of eating and training habits similar to mine. However, those folks are the exception rather than the rule.
Facts are facts - resistance training atheletes require a greater amount of nutrient fuels than sedentary individuals. The 1g per pound theory has caught on with even the most old school nutritionists out there. You can't sincerely believe that Jerry Rice doesn't need any more protein than you do in order to fuel his activity?
You predicated this discussion on one thing:
<< Assuming they have consumed enough from meals, then supplementation is not necessary. >>
Most resistance trainees don't.
I'd hardly say I'm debating unarmed.
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We are in obvious agreement on things here. My point of this thread is that people are consuming too much protein and feel that the more the better. MRP's are fine, in fact I use them. For me they are added calories. It's just that too many people get too hung up with the numbers instead of eating good quality meals.
Also, how did you hear of Phil Kaplan?
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2003/02/07, 11:36 AM
CJFit,
In your original post you said:
"I feel there is no need for protein supplementation because we get more than enough from our diet"
We now agree on things because you have become less harsh in your stance. There are some folks out there that overconsume protein, yes, but there are usually good reasons. I for one would rather err on the side of protein, something that is highly useful to the body (not that fat and carbs are not) and contributes very little to body fat than either of the other two macronutrients. I would also rather have too much protein rather than not enough. And on a fat loss diet, I would rather fill in extra calories with protein than fat when carbs are restricted.
The bottom line is most people don't get too much protein. More protein than the body can use to build muscle, sometimes, but that does not necessarily mean too much. It only qualifies as too much protein when your body can no longer efficiently use either the protein itself or the calories it provides. Would I recommend 300g of protein for a 150 pound male like yourself? No, probably not. However, if you're on a bulking diet, shooting for 3000 calories a day and want to have low fat gain, I would tell you to take in roughly 300g carbs, 100g fat and 225g protein. Is that more than you'll use to build muscle? Possibly, we don't know for sure. However, in order to adequately fill out the calorie intake and make absolutely sure that you have enough protein, then I think that's best. There's nothing wrong with overshooting.
We all know that it's better to get our nutrient, macro or micro from whole food, but when we can't, that's when the supplements come in. I don't know how many more times I can reiterate that. If you read the posts on this board, everyone worth their salt recommends exactly what you stated - eating good quality meals. But the optimization is still in the numbers. Nutrition is a trial and error process. In order to determine what works best for you, you must account for details.
I'm only mildly familiar with Phil Kaplan, but I make it a point to be up on the theories of as many nutritionists as possible so that I can formulate my own opinions. Each expert has their 'hook' and many don't present a complete picture. So I find the middle ground and use information from many sources in order to form a composite picture.
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2003/02/07, 11:58 AM
All you need to do to get the answer about protein consumption is look at the bodies of those who consume large amounts od protein and less carbs / bad fats compared to those who buy into the misleading food pyramid.
i tell my clients all of the time - if you want to lose bodyfat look at who does it best - Bodybuilders. And how do they eat for the most part? A solid base of about 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, sometimes more, a low mostly complex, amount of carbs and a healthy amount of good fats.
The people who warn us of eating too much protein are the ones sitting around eating bagels the size of their heads thinking it is healthy.
As long as you increase your water intake, and who drinks more water than weightlifters/bodybuilders?, your kidneys should be fine.
Also - amino acids hang out in your system for awhile if they can't combine to be complete - so they will recombine, or more likely be excreted - they don't as easily turn ito bodyfat.
If you are getting fat on meal replacements, you are drinking/eating the wrong ones. For busy people, shakes and bars that have the right amount of protien, carbs and fat and not too much sugar are a boon! When I worked in the gym i literally had 5 minutes inbetween clients - not long enough to chow a chicken breast and veggioes, but enough time to shake up some isopure and flaxseed oil and go.
It is, ideally better to get whole foods, but we do not live in an ideal world. Almost everything about today's society is against a healthier lifestyle - good food is hard to come by on the run - but fast food crap is everywhere. We are expected to work all day, breaking only once to eat (I am sorry but after 2 1/2 hours I am not a nice person when I need to eat), and our schedules are so hectic most of the time it is considered selfish to take time to do the one thing that will really make the quality of our life better - workout!
Okay, sorry about the rant, good luck, eat lots of protein and drink your water!
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2003/02/07, 02:00 PM
Hear hear asimmer!!!! WEll said. My sentiments exactly. I tell clients, how do you want to look, and show them a toned tight body....what do you tnink 100% of their replies are? I always ask them,if you have any doubts, every time you see someone with one of these bodies, male or female, ask them what their diet consists of! End of story I would say. Glad to have you, great posts.
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2004/03/20, 08:37 PM
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2004/03/20, 10:33 PM
Im probably a day late and a dollar short on this comment, but for me, being now 317 (down from 342.5 at my biggest, woohooo), and having around 210 lbs lean body mass, it is pretty difficult to eat 200 g protein per day, and i really SHOULD be eating 250 most likely beacuse I lift as heavy as possible, and my body is just built for a bunch of muscle to be on it (i.e. not built for running, but for lifting).
I am sick of TUNA EWW, getting sick of chicken, eggs get old, hamburger is good but too fatty usually, well what else is there really? Not much.
Now i am very against supplements, its just a personal opinion and ive had a bad experience with them, so I wont touch them. But my point it yes, its extremely hard to get the required for us "bigger guys" who have much more lean mass than a smaller framed male at 150 lbs (this is body weight, not even LEAN weight).
CJ, i agree somewhat with you, because there are so many damn supplements out there that definitely are low in quality, etc, and are just there to make money. However, it makes life much easier on these body builders here that need the protein and just cant choke down the tuna required to give them 250g of protein.
I do also agree that some marketting schemes say you need to be eating 2-3g per LEAN BODY MASS of protein, which I do think is too much, but thats another story.
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2006/01/24, 05:48 PM
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2007/02/13, 11:46 AM
Bump!
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2007/02/13, 12:03 PM
asimmer summed it up nicely i think.
I just can't get in that much protein without supplements, both due to budgetary constraints and the fact that i just cant eat that much food throughout the day to make up the deficit.
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2007/02/14, 12:55 PM
I use the powder protein myself. It is easy and although I haven't been at it as long as some of the others here, I already tire of eggs, chicken, and tuna!!!
Plus, I have never been a breakfast person. When trying to eat before and after my morning workout, I would feel sick. I can seem to do one or the other without feeling sick, but not both. So I typically drink half my protein shake before workout, and then the other half with my eggs afterwards. Then I usually have my last one at bedtime with milk depepnding on my protein intake for the day!
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2007/07/04, 09:25 AM
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2007/07/04, 10:36 AM
this was a fun old thread :-) made me chuckle :-)
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2007/07/05, 12:54 AM
SO what i got outa that is... skinny people should take the supplements ESPECIALLY! if they dont take in the proper amounts of protein a day?
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